Tarantino Says Marvel actors aren’t movie stars: ‘Captain America Is the Star,’ Not Chris Evans

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The weirdest aspect to me is the way viewers have been turned into corporate shills for Disney. On some level it reminds me of when 50 Cent was talking about soundscans and sales nonstop. Then there's this weird identity based aspect where any criticism results in you being accused of dismissing the voices of marginalized and minority creatives. We're literally watching a robot adopt and appropriate social justice language in order to sell you braindead, artless children movies.


???

Corporations caught on (or have always known) is the way to secure the dollars is through hearts and minds. I don't know the cause of it, frankly, just that we are in a generation of stunted individual.

Like everyone needs a parental figure to latch onto and stan, and opportunists use that to their advantage. It's so common to see people have parasocial relationships with Twitch streamers, stan their workplace as a family unit, and go hard in the paint for their "team" e.g. Disney adults fanboying for the brand, grown ass men worshipping Iron Man. Maybe it's just the times we live in. Financial insecurity seems to be the hallmark of the times, with many wanting to regress to a time where Mom and Dad had to shoulder the burdens of life, which provided many with a shield of ignorance to the worries of independent living.

IDK, someone smarter can probably word it better than me.
 

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The Rock could probably finance his own film and original IP. Tom Cruise basically did it with Top Gun. That arrangement can leave a studio ass out of money, especially if a movie star has a massive social media presence. So it's better to have the IP of Captain America, and just change actors to ensure they have the means to keep using the IP for as long as they want. If you look at how these actors are faring after Marvel, it looks bleak. What was the last movie you can remember that had Tom Holland, Chris Evans, or RDJ.
Any more info on Cruise's financing of Top Gun?
 

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That is his point. He's complaining that the MCU actors are just plug and play and that it's just a system, like a college quarterback being a system QB. Usually systems can only do so well, and truly talented players (in this cast truly talented actors) should be able to shyt all over the MCU and fukk them box offices up. Amsterdam is an example of a movie full of star power and that bytch went brick. Star power doesn't mean shyt. Complaining about well it's the characters not the actors...like well get you some characters and ADJUST TO THE TIMES.
They are just plug and play
People want to see superheroes movies because of the superheroes not the actor
You used the movie Amsterdam as an example. It flopped because it was a bad movie. No amount of movie star is going to save a bad movie
 

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There are still plenty of movie stars. Timothee Chalmet and Tom Holland (marvel affiliated) are spoiled for choice with their roles.

Marvel has boosted the profile of Chris Hemsworth too and hes now in all sorts of things. Before captain America the thing Chris Evans was known for was that bad fantastic four movie. If you get linked up with marvel and can actually act, you can be turned into a household name in a year.
Are Timothee and Tom stars?

Tom has been in several movies since Spiderman that have done nothing. Uncharted was an existing IP. Chaos Walking bombed hard last year.

Timothee shared advice Leo gave him.


“No hard drugs and no superhero movies.”
Hemsworth has been in a bunch of movies, MCU definitely raised his profile, but which of his movies have been hits? What movies have people flocked to go see because he's been in it?
There are exceptions to Taratino's philosophy:
RDJ has had hits in between Marvel projects like Due Date(211 milly and Sherlock Holmes 500 milly)
Scarlett Johanson has had hits like Ghost in the Shell(160+ milly and Lucy 460+milly)
Jeremy Renner and Paul Rudd had a slew of hit movies before too.

To be honest, most of the Actors they chose to be Super heroes were not necessarily leading men and women. They're more like character actors. Mark Ruffallo was already acclaimed(Zodiac etc), but no one was trying to see a move because of him. Paul Bettany and Tom Hiddleston are acclaimed British actors, but no real hits.
The last Sherlock Holmes was 2011. Doolittle was a massive flop.

Ghost in the Shell was a huge flop. Budget was $110M, only made $170M.
 

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The weirdest aspect to me is the way viewers have been turned into corporate shills for Disney. On some level it reminds me of when 50 Cent was talking about soundscans and sales nonstop. Then there's this weird identity based aspect where any criticism results in you being accused of dismissing the voices of marginalized and minority creatives. We're literally watching a robot adopt and appropriate social justice language in order to sell you braindead, artless children movies.


???

Rep. That's EXACTLY what happens

You can see the die hard, cognitive dissonant stannery in any Marvel thread

 

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I'm pretty sure directors and producers from Marvel movies make lists that recommend good film makers as well.
The venom in these type of posts are weird. Some people are angry about the wrong thing. It's just movies no one is saving lives or killing people with their creations, relax.
 

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Rep. That's EXACTLY what happens

You can see the die hard, cognitive dissonant stannery in any Marvel thread

The die hard cognitive dissonant hater is also in any Marvel thread.
And Marvel predates their connection to Disney and is an intimate part of many people's childhoods/life. Yeah, people are passionate that's part of the success.
 

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They are just plug and play
People want to see superheroes movies because of the superheroes not the actor
You used the movie Amsterdam as an example. It flopped because it was a bad movie. No amount of movie star is going to save a bad movie
So like i said, star power doesn't matter. QT isn't making a point, he's just complaining to be complaining. He needs to adjust to the times.
 

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I'm pretty sure directors and producers from Marvel movies make lists that recommend good film makers as well.
The venom in these type of posts are weird. Some people are angry about the wrong thing. It's just movies no one is saving lives or killing people with their creations, relax.
:dead: you missed the point fam

On one hand you have people who respect film as art, are in love with cinema, and desperate want people to watch films from directions of all races and genders. On the other hand you have people who view film as nothing more than a product or content, to advance superhero storylines and tired franchises while killing off anything else. I'd say it's cause to be angry because we're watching art die in real time, while the masses take the sides of studios and corporations who don't even value them.

What does the world look like when no one reads books, the only films they see are superhero continuations, and most of the music they listen to is selected for them by algorithms? We're finding out and it's not pretty.
 

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Are Timothee and Tom stars?

Tom has been in several movies since Spiderman that have done nothing. Uncharted was an existing IP. Chaos Walking bombed hard last year.

Timothee shared advice Leo gave him.



Hemsworth has been in a bunch of movies, MCU definitely raised his profile, but which of his movies have been hits? What movies have people flocked to go see because he's been in it?

The last Sherlock Holmes was 2011. Doolittle was a massive flop.

Ghost in the Shell was a huge flop. Budget was $110M, only made $170M.
Yea what's happening in here is everybody's definition of star is scattered. Star denotes universal appeal and drawing capabilities

Tom Holland is Spiderman, aside from that he's only famous because women love him. And women loving you has been proven to not necessarily translate to ticket sales

Timothee Chamapet was a character actor before Dune and has never been a star. He's popular because women love him. And that's not for a lack of trying because Hollywood has been trying it's hardest to make him the next guy

Hemsworth has years of non Thor flops because Hollywood tried to make him the next guy. Because women love him:russ:

In the dying of the movie star Hollywood's straw grasping attempt at making stars has been to try to push what the women like, women being the biggest consumers and all.

The problem with going all in on pandering to women is often they'll give you all the lip service in the world but really won't consume your product if they don't care enough. We've seen this with the fall of MCU's numbers in direct correlation to their increased pandering

Women loving you is a huge deal in stardom, but errors can be made in betting the farm on it if it's your ONLY attribute. It can overshadow everything else

I truly believe Brad Pitt is one of the GOATs, but he's more famous for women loving him and it's hindered shine on his talent
 

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Are Timothee and Tom stars?

Tom has been in several movies since Spiderman that have done nothing. Uncharted was an existing IP. Chaos Walking bombed hard last year.

Timothee shared advice Leo gave him.



Hemsworth has been in a bunch of movies, MCU definitely raised his profile, but which of his movies have been hits? What movies have people flocked to go see because he's been in it?

The last Sherlock Holmes was 2011. Doolittle was a massive flop.

Ghost in the Shell was a huge flop. Budget was $110M, only made $170M.
True, but Iron Man started in 2008, so its post Iron Man.
 

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Tom Cruise says hi. Top Gun or mission impossible starring Chris Evans or hemsworth would go double wood :mjlol:
Top Gun initially put asses in seats because of Cruise but that movie do what it did because of word of mouth

Movies live and die on word of mouth these days
 
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