Tarantino Says Marvel actors aren’t movie stars: ‘Captain America Is the Star,’ Not Chris Evans

[jwinfield]

Yea what's happening in here is everybody's definition of star is scattered.

Someone in here tried to say that Paul Bettany was a star

Anthony Mackie said exactly what QT is saying 5 years ago. He said he's not the star, Falcon is, that there are no more movie stars.

Yet, QT is just being a jealous has been People have been complaining for a while now that Hollywood has become repetitive and formulaic, that its superhero movies, sequels, and reboots, but now we're upset that someone like Scorcese or QT share those sentiments?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

you missed the point fam

On one hand you have people who respect film as art, are in love with cinema, and desperate want people to watch films from directions of all races and genders. On the other hand you have people who view film as nothing more than a product or content, to advance superhero storylines and tired franchises while killing off anything else. I'd say it's cause to be angry because we're watching art die in real time, while the masses take the sides of studios and corporations who don't even value them.

What does the world look like when no one reads books, the only films they see are superhero continuations, and most of the music they listen to is selected for them by algorithms? We're finding out and it's not pretty.

The people who, "respect film as art, are in love with cinema, and desperate want people to watch films from directions of all races and genders" compared to those who, "view film as nothing more than a product or content" are just in the minority. There are more people who think like the latter no matter how much it breaks the collective former's hearts. Seems like those in the former category never did the math on that.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Marvel/Disney built a universe that millions of fans are invested in
That's the hook
to say the character is the star is facetious
cause some of them are C level at best canonically.
I mean Ms. Marvel? Shang Chi? Come on

Comic book popularity doesn't translate to mainstream, casual popularity. Machine Man would be a household name if MCU made a good movie starring him

 

[VoxSphere74]

Someone in here tried to say that Paul Bettany was a star

Anthony Mackie said exactly what QT is saying 5 years ago. He said he's not the star, Falcon is, that there are no more movie stars.

Yet, QT is just being a jealous has been People have been complaining for a while now that Hollywood has become repetitive and formulaic, that its superhero movies, sequels, and reboots, but now we're upset that someone like Scorcese or QT share those sentiments?

It's hilarious for Mackie to say that because Falcon is a Black sidekick who served cac Captain America. And now that he's Captain America he's being sidelined in his own upcoming film so he'll never be famous like the cac Rogers because he won't be allowed to be.

Which is the same bs with T'Challa that some think is silly to argue about but it's a fight over Black men being denied the ability to become iconic characters because whites, self hating Blacks, and others work to destroy them before their characters can get established and become self-sustaining the way Wolverine, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Bond, Superman, Batman, or any other random white character get to be.

And as for QT and Scorsese it's just cac director whining because they're no longer the top dogs. But no one ever is indefinitely. The wheel always turns. And right now it's comic book superheroes but in time it'll turn again and another genre will take the stage.

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

Are Timothee and Tom stars?

Tom has been in several movies since Spiderman that have done nothing. Uncharted was an existing IP. Chaos Walking bombed hard last year.

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Hemsworth has been in a bunch of movies, MCU definitely raised his profile, but which of his movies have been hits? What movies have people flocked to go see because he's been in it?

The last Sherlock Holmes was 2011. Doolittle was a massive flop.

Ghost in the Shell was a huge flop. Budget was $110M, only made $170M.

That's more of an indictment of audience tastes. More and more people would rather watch a movie on a 20 dollar streaming service than to spend that same money on watching one movie in the theater. When was the last time a comedy was a blockbuster? When was the last time a drama did really well in theaters and made a lot of money?

 

[SunZoo]

I get what he's saying and thread is already deep af so i'm sure someone has already pointed this up...but this is "video killed the radio star" for movies.

It's not Marvel's fault that there are no 'movie stars' anymore...and I always thought it was a good thing when an actor's name didn't over-shadow their character. I've heard so many complaints about people like Denzel just being Denzel in one movie to the next. That's what being a movie star is in the context he's using it and it just sounds self aggrandizing. Rappers don't sell records like they used to, movies don't sell tickets like they used to, you can add plenty of shyt to the list that fits the bill.

More options, more content, less and less reason to focus on a handfull of stars for shyt. There are no more Michael Jacksons and even if there were they wouldn't be recieved the same way. Question is what would his movies look like without 'movie stars'? Could he get one off?

 

[O.Red]

I get what he's saying and thread is already deep af so i'm sure someone has already pointed this up...but this is "video killed the radio star" for movies.

It's not Marvel's fault that there are no 'movie stars' anymore...and I always thought it was a good thing when an actor's name didn't over-shadow their character. I've heard so many complaints about people like Denzel just being Denzel in one movie to the next. That's what being a movie star is in the context he's using it and it just sounds self aggrandizing. Rappers don't sell records like they used to, movies don't sell tickets like they used to, you can add plenty of shyt to the list that fits the bill.

Question is can he get a dope movie off without movie stars?

More options, more content, less and less reason to focus on a handfull of stars for shyt. There are no more Michael Jacksons and even if there were they wouldn't be recieved the same way. Question is what would his movies look like without 'movie stars'? Could he get one off?

Ironically Tarantino's entire career has been making starring roles for non stars and actors bordering on obscurity

Pulp Fiction relaunched John Travolta's career. Same for Jackie Brown and Pam Grier. When he's not doing Tarantino films Michael Madsen lives in the bargain dvds bin

The biggest star in a Tarantino movie is Tarantino himself. His dialogue is the main character

But yea he's blaming marvel for a cultural shift that has affected all media

 

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[JamesJabdi]

It's the system that is broken, Hollywood no longer wants to create stars It's another way for the studios to hold all the power

Last actor who was signed to a studio is Eddie Murphy with paramount....thats why Eddie was so huge in the 80's because studios actually could benefit from promoting actors.

Studios are also more focused on big budget movies now....they dont care about the smaller story driven movies anymore.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

There are still plenty of movie stars. Timothee Chalmet and Tom Holland (marvel affiliated) are spoiled for choice with their roles.

Marvel has boosted the profile of Chris Hemsworth too and hes now in all sorts of things. Before captain America the thing Chris Evans was known for was that bad fantastic four movie. If you get linked up with marvel and can actually act, you can be turned into a household name in a year.

Chalmet and Holland were in pretty popular albeit not necessarily profitable artsy movies recently too weren't they?

If these dudes are upset that an artsy drama isn't pulling in a billy then I got some bad news for em

 

[ExodusNirvana]

I have'nt seen BP2 and I literally already know what the plot of the movie would be, because I read comics

Is it my fault that I will go see this movie anyways because I want to see the execution and how it was done?

Conversely, I watched "Don't Worry Darling" on HBO Max this weekend

That shyt was aight but definitely not worth me spending money and going to the movie theater for, and it had star power in it (Pugh, Pine, Wilde, etc.)

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

Chalmet and Holland were in pretty popular albeit not necessarily profitable artsy movies recently too weren't they?

If these dudes are upset that an artsy drama isn't pulling in a billy then I got some bad news for em

A lot of content is moving to streaming services. I think its a consequence of people doing the math. Chalmet has flexibility. In one year he was in call me by your name, then another year he was in that Netflix medieval movie called king or something like that, and then the next he's the lead in Dune. He's getting all sorts of roles and he's in something every year. Tom Holland was in 2 blockbusters in the same year and then did an exclusive for appletv+ directed by the same Russo bros that did infinity war.

Movie theaters now are places where people go to experience spectacle. It's Iike an amusement park now. They want to sit down and hear booming bass and see special effects while the seats move back and forth. I can already call it now, avatar 2 is going to do huge numbers even with no name actors because people want to experience the special effects and all of that.

Going to the movies(depending on where you live) means spending money on parking, cutting into your gas budget, and then if you ain't eat before hand getting robbed for popcorn, snacks and drinks. That same money gets you as many movies as you want on a streaming service like Netflix. It doesn't help that movies have shorter runs in theater now too. Why go when you can wait a couple months and watch it on disney+ or HBO max.

I think more people will go to see non franchise movies if the economy improves and a dollar goes further than it does now.

 

[O.Red]

Movie theaters now are places where people go to experience spectacle. It's Iike an amusement park now. They want to sit down and hear booming bass and see special effects while the seats move back and forth. I can already call it now, avatar 2 is going to do huge numbers even with no name actors because people want to experience the special effects and all of that.

Going to the movies(depending on where you live) means spending money on parking, cutting into your gas budget, and then if you ain't eat before hand getting robbed for popcorn, snacks and drinks. That same money gets you as many movies as you want on a streaming service like Netflix. It doesn't help that movies have shorter runs in theater now too. Why go when you can wait a couple months and watch it on disney+ or HBO max.

I think more people will go to see non franchise movies if the economy improves and a dollar goes further than it does now.

And this is what a lot of Hollywood/salty directors refuse, or are too out of touch, to accept

A movie really has to justify the trip and money spent. Scorcese called Marvel movies theme park rides as a slick pejorative but them shyts made nikkas wanna hop in the ride and do the whole expensive ass moviegoing experience. The Irishman wasn't going to do that If Taxi Driver came out today that shyt would be a critically acclaimed HBO Max exclusive

And Tarantino's been salty ever since he lost Christmas to Star Wars