Star Wars The Force Awakens [SPOILERS] Thread: SPOILERS

Lord_Chief_Rocka

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lets name all the people that sonned finn in this movie.


rey decked him with her stick in the beginning after he ran away from her. they had him running from a girl. he had to beg a robot to c/s him to prevent an even bigger beatdown.
chewy choked him
kylo put him in a coma
lupita called him a coward for wanting to run. climbed on a table and looked deep into his eyes and shyt to make sure:mjlol:
kylo called him a traitor
he got choked out by those monsters on han solos ship until rey shut the doors
han solo sonned him like a lil nikka after he was explaining how they was gonna save rey and solo was like look behind you dumbass she saving herself .



shyt was like the male version of precious with the absuse
So what about all the good things he did. Including giving them the plan that save the whole setup and destroyed the Big ass Death Star.
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A black person has the most impactful character in what will probably be the biggest movie ever and theColi is polarized. This is embarrassing
 

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I guess my beef is the way Disney (and most of Hollywood) steers away from taking a risk and letting the bad guy win. I think that's why I love ESB so much. If Kylo had won the duel, and injured or at least fended Rey off until the ground broke, it would have been much more compelling and offered more suspense for their next duel. It also would have given her some inspiration for training under Luke. It doesn't even seem like she needs training at this point, if she can just close her eyes and master a saber.

You right, man. That would actually have been better:ohhh:
 

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I wasn't going to say nothing about this because I thought people were trolling.......ya'll can't be fukking serious :russ:

They're going to send a regular janitor with no combat training on a combat assignment :mjlol:

Stop looking for reasons to be upset. Even infantrymen in the Army get put on cleaning/cooking details :pachaha:



where In the movie, not some book, does Finn's elite achievement in the New Order get showcased. People get their assignments in the military based on their ASVAB test. The best and Brightest recruits aren't put in sanitation. My friend scored high and he was assigned to nuclear engineering.
 

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Some of those answers are in the books cause most people's arguments against the prequels were all of the politics.

Like for 4 and 5, the First Order is a remnant of the Empire that the Republic allows to exist in the Outer Rim planets after the Republic got rid of it's military a few years after Return of the Jedi. They also signed a peace treaty with the First Order, which is why the Resistance works alone to disrupt them, Leia was one of the only people in the Republic that saw them as a threat.

Luke went into exile like Yoda and Obi-Wan because he failed with the New Jedi Order.

And Finn isn't just a normal janitor worker. He said he worked in the sanitation department on the base but he's also trained to be a Stormtrooper which is why he was part of the village raid.


If he was anything special in the New Order, he wouldn't be assigned to sanitation.


Either way he shouldn't be able to even get a hit on Kylo. He couldn't even handle a regular storm trooper with a baton, and he got saved by han/chewie.


It would be different if the story hinted at his abilities and dropped hints that he was a force user, but that is not what happened.
 

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12. It Feels Incredibly Rushed
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On one hand, The Force Awakens’ 135-minute run-time flies by in an instant, but that doesn’t strictly mean it’s a well-paced film. In fact, if anything, Episode VII is too breathlessly paced for its own good, fleeting from one character and set-piece to the next so speedily that we’re not often allowed to soak in the individual moment or understand why a character is behaving the way they are.

Former stormtrooper Finn’s abandonment of the First Order, for instance, seem all too sudden in act one, and the development of Rey’s force powers also comes about way too quick. These character beats can’t keep up with the overall forward-momentum of the planet-hopping plot, and before you know it, we’ve arrived at the final assault on the Starkiller Base, which similarly just doesn’t feel built-up enough and a little out of nowhere.

It must’ve been absolute hell writing and editing this film, but even so, it could’ve done with a little more in terms of expansive dialogue and quiet moments where the audience can just breathe it all in.


11. The Plot Is Too Reliant On Convenience
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It’s not exactly a new problem for the franchise, but the new movie is so openly propelled forward by convenience and even contrivance that it’s hard to buy that this sequence of events could convincingly link together.

One character does one fairly ridiculous thing which leads to another, and introduces them to this character, who leads them to this guy, and so on and so on. Some of the most memorably implausible and convenient moments include Rey not selling BB-8 for food portions because she vaguely humanises it, Han and Chewie meeting up with Finn and Rey, Rey’s ridiculously fast assumption of the Force, Poe Dameron returning out of nowhere at a pivotal moment, Finn surviving a lightsaber strike that would probably kill anyone else, the ground breaking away and separating Rey and Kylo Ren mid-battle and probably much more.

Sure, plenty of fantastic movies are ridiculously convoluted (The Dark Knight, The Avengers and Skyfall,), but the movie isn’t just a series of unlikely events linked together, it also verges on deus ex machina at times (especially regarding Rey’s force abilities), and reeks of lazy writing rather than Lawrence Kasdan attempting to fashion something complex.

It doesn’t sink the movie by any means, but it definitely impacts its narrative integrity.

10. Poe Dameron Feels Like A Third Wheel
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Though The Force Awakens’ strongest suit is arguably its characterisation of Rey and Finn, the third protagonist, legendary pilot Poe Dameron, feels a little underserved by comparison.

He has a significant part early in the movie as he’s kidnapped and Finn helps him escape, then he disappears for a lengthy portion of the film after the TIE Fighter crashes and reappears later in an X-Wing, during which time Rey and Finn get decidedly more time to develop as characters.

Considering that Poe was marketed as the third protagonist, he feels much more like a supporting character than any of the original trilogy characters, a likeable presence no doubt, but one whose absence was very noticeable.

9. Captain Phasma Was Hyped Up For Nothing
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One of the most-hyped characters ahead of Episode VII’s release was Captain Phasma, the incredible-looking, chrome-coloured stormtrooper who appeared to be evoking a Boba Fett vibe, and is played by Game Of Thrones’ bada** Gwendoline Christie.

Though Christie seems great in the role (her voice is fantastic), the character as a whole is rather underwhelming. Her screen time totals maybe 10 minutes, and she doesn’t really get to do much in terms of bada**ery throughout.

While she’s already confirmed to return for Episode VIII (meaning that she wasn’t killed when sent to the trash compactor), it’s a pretty limp start to the character, and hopefully something that will be rectified next time with some truly awesome and terrifying feats.
8. There’s Too Much Homage, Not Enough Originality
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The Force Awakens was always going to lean to an extent off the original trilogy, and considering that the movie features many original cast members and locations, why wouldn’t it?

That said, the line between homage and rip-off has to be drawn somewhere, and much like J.J. Abrams’ previous film Star Trek Into Darkness, it often feels like the references to previous movies border on excessive.

Many have noted that The Force Awakens at times feels like a remake of A New Hope, and they’re not wrong: rather than branch out into new territory, the plot recycles a ton of beats from ANH (the Death Star-like fortress with one tiny weakness, the droid carrying an important document etc) and even other original trilogy movies (a bad guy being a relation to the heroes for one), which is rather disappointing.

Though the film isn’t without its surprises, for the most part it plays things too safe, even if after the controversial prequels it’s somewhat understandable.

7. Starkiller Base Is Totally Underwhelming
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A New Hope had the Death Star, Return Of The Jedi had the Death Star 2.0, and The Force Awakens has the Starkiller Base. It’s an awesome name and all, but it doesn’t really live up to the iconic quality of the previous fixtures, in part because we’re not shown around much of it, and it just feels like retread: the same idea, but just bigger (because apparently nobody learned anything from the last two being destroyed).

There’s the clear desire to make it this iconic structure, but it really just seems “there” without much fanfare. While you can probably visualise the hallways and make-up of the Death Star, you probably won’t be able to do the same for this base: it just doesn’t feel like they put as much effort in to making it memorable.

With it being destroyed at the end of the movie, hopefully Episodes VIII and IX won’t just come up with yet another one.



6. Supreme Leader Snoke’s CGI Is…Not Great
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Much was made pre-release of Abrams’ insistence upon using practical visual effects over computer-generated ones, except where this simply wasn’t possible. As such, the film has very few CGI-animated creatures, and though most of them are superbly handled, there’s one who sticks out like a sore thumb: Supreme Leader Snoke, as performance-captured by Andy Serkis.

His gigantic hologram creature is easily the most blatantly CGI aspect of the film, his face in particular feeling like it would fit in quite well with George Lucas’ prequels. It doesn’t mesh particularly well with everything around him, which is extra disappointing considering that Serkis completely inhabits the role and deserves a more imaginative and convincing representation on screen.

Given that Snoke is presumably the Big Bad of the new trilogy of movies, Disney really need to get to work on making him look less obviously fake for future films, or we’re gonna have a problem here.
5. Original Trilogy Characters Appear Just For The Sake Of It
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In much the same vein that the movie is both rushed and leans too heavily on the original trilogy, it also seems almost obliged to include characters from those beloved movies even though the script doesn’t really call for it.

As such, we get perfunctory appearances from a ton of supporting characters such as Admiral Ackbar and Nien Nunb among others, who get barely seconds of screen time each and therefore just feel half-a**sedly thrown in at the last minute to up the already fierce nostalgia factor (not that their parts in previous movies were huge).

It’s not that these moments are bad, but it just seems a bit lazy and fan-servicey to re-introduce them without giving them much meaningful to do.

4. The Biggest Moment Is Ultimately Glossed Over

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There are a number of iconic, intense moments in the movie, one in particular of which is going to be a major talking point for fans: the death of series veteran Han Solo at the hands of his son, Kylo Ren.

It’s unquestionably a brilliant moment, arguably the best in the entire film, but the followthrough just isn’t quite there: we don’t really get to see the characters react in a believable way to it, and by the time the film ends, it feels suddenly forgotten. We get to see an angry Chewbacca and a few shots of a forlorn Leia, but that’s it: it feels like this one was trimmed down massively in the editing room for time constraints.

Yes, there’s a lot to cram in, but again, this goes back to it feeling rushed: after this scene happens, we need some time to soak things in before anything else happens, but instead the film quickly races onto the next scene, and it’s immensely frustrating. Given the implications it has for the series, it deserves to eat up a little screen time, even if it meant the film wound up being 140-150 minutes.

But perhaps Abrams had a contract with Disney which forbade it being longer than a certain run-time, given how that could affect the box office and all…
3. John Williams’ Score Is Just OK
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Star Wars fans were practically convulsing with glee when legendary composer John Williams was said to be returning to score Episode VII. Sadly, though he does a perfectly fine job with the music, there’s just nothing especially memorable about it while you’re watching it, and it could easily have been a hired gun simply attempting to ape Williams’ style.

Leitmotifs from previous films are used fairly frequently throughout to good effort, but in terms of original compositions, there’s nothing that’s even a patch on Duel Of The Fates from the Phantom Menace (that movie’s one true trump card). Perhaps opinion will improve when listening to the score in isolation, but as it’s incorporated into the film, it’s merely decent rather than the mind-blowingly emotional symphony we were all hoping for.

2. A Ton Of Actors Are Wasted In Nothing Roles

When you’re able to audition for a part in a Star Wars movie, you’re damn right that you do it: who could say no, no matter the size of the part? Even so, it feels like a ton of famous faces and talented actors were wasted in minuscule roles here, including Max von Sydow, Ken Leung, The Raid cast members Yayan Ruhian, Iko Uwais and Cecep Arif Rahman (alright, talented martial artists…), Greg Grunberg and, as mentioned, Gwendoline Christie.
Yes, it’s terrific for Abrams and the movie that he could get name actors to fill even the tiniest roles, but at the same time, when you cast a performer of von Sydow’s caliber in particular, you sure as hell use him for something important rather than a random village elder who says a few lines of dialogue before being murdered by Kylo Ren. Like so many others, he appears and disappears in a flash of indifference.

1. The Ending Is Extremely Frustrating
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Audiences the world over have been left groaning by the manner in which the movie concludes. It’s immensely unsatisfying and only partly in the way that, say, The Empire Strikes Back was with its immense cliffhanger: it feels like Abrams was so committed to bleeding out the mystery that he has ended TFA on a fairly incomplete note. It feels like there should be at least another few minutes to make the first step in this three-act arc feel finished.

The moment sees Rey attaining the final part of the map to Luke Skywalker’s location and heading there, at which point she finds an older Luke wearing a cloak, and as she holds the lightsaber out to him, the movie just… ends.

Some will naturally love it, but even those who stand up for the film may find themselves frustrated by how it concludes. It could’ve gone a little further and still provided a perfect lead-in for Episode VIII, but instead, it just feels kinda empty and tailor-made to annoy. Couldn’t we have had a brief moment of talking between the two, even just a few lines to tease what’s ahead?

12 Reasons Star Wars: The Force Awakens Is A Disappointment

the only thing that's valid in this list is #9, the capt phasma thing...i've said that's the only thing that was disappointing about the film to me...something i hope they address next movie, think she's gonna take hux spot when kylo takes snoke's spot...

as for the rest of that list: it's bullshyt....it's people nitpicking and trying to find shyt to bytch/complain about, just like muthafukkas in this thread....seriously, muthafukkas upset the movie ended the way it did? what were they expecting, this is the 1st in a trilogy....so of course it's gonna end on a cliff hanger....as long as we got a complete movie (which we did) it's cool.....

...it's just another example showing how fukked up society is.....society is so fukked up that people dont wanna enjoy shyt...that they gotta find something to complain about.....damn shame...
 

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Yep. Watched it and enjoyed the movie. I may go see it again. This does not mean that there are not a few plot holes. I have a few more things that don't quite add up - Kylo's timeline and Luke's disappearance for instance - but I do not want to be the overly critical fan.

And it is a fukking stretch to say Kylo was able to kill trainees then get his ass handed to him by a Jr Varsity, Microwave Jedi/Mary Sue. It is also bad writing when a few minutes before, Kylo was able to "Force Freeze" Microwave Jedi/Mary Sue but chose not while they were fighting.
Not necessarily. Kylo Ren is like Vegeta during the Raditz saga. Rey is like Gohan, who gave Vegeta that work after he transformed. That Anakin blood is like Saiyin blood. The rest of the Jedi trainees could've been Tien and Yamcha status.
 

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So they take janitors on spec ops is basically what they're saying breh :aicmon:


yeah. I am sure the new orders elite recruits get put on janitorial assignments.


Finn is a just regular guy, and there is no evidence leading up to his fight with Kylo that indicates he can last even 2 minutes with a trained Jedi. The clones (and jango fett) got handled by the jedi in one-on-one
 

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Have you seen ANH recently? Its chock full of cliffhangers that werent addressed until ESB. Since you know how everything plays out you overlook them now but if you only saw that movie you would have just as many questions as we do about this movie. I dont think its an issue of holes, its that this is part 1 of a 3 part story and you want answers now to things that will be addressed in parts 2 and 3.

Going back to the Jedi power issue, in ANH if Vader wanted to keep Luke, Han, and Leia from escaping on the Falcon after his duel with Obi Wan Kenobi why didnt he just force choke Han? He could have choked Luke in ESB and skipped this long ass unsuccessful duel. He could have snatched the saber out his hands like he did with Han's blaster. He could have choked Luke while he was making the bombing run on the Death Star. So like i said there are plenty of instances in these movies where force powers are conveniently not used when they would have solved damn near every problem.

THANK YOU BREH! i was just arguing in another thread.

They were telling me that "ANH works better as a stand alone movie cuz every thing is wrapped up"

Im like :dahelll: breh, vader still alive, emperor still alive, and luke aint even a jedi :martin:
 

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the only thing that's valid in this list is #9, the capt phasma thing...i've said that's the only thing that was disappointing about the film to me...something i hope they address next movie, think she's gonna take hux spot when kylo takes snoke's spot...

as for the rest of that list: it's bullshyt....it's people nitpicking and trying to find shyt to bytch/complain about, just like muthafukkas in this thread....seriously, muthafukkas upset the movie ended the way it did? what were they expecting, this is the 1st in a trilogy....so of course it's gonna end on a cliff hanger....as long as we got a complete movie (which we did) it's cool.....

...it's just another example showing how fukked up society is.....society is so fukked up that people dont wanna enjoy shyt...that they gotta find something to complain about.....damn shame...


the movie is not that good period. It's not as bad as the prequels, but that is not a high bat to meet.

this is in no way as good as guardians of the galaxy or Mad Max.
 

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yeah. I am sure the new orders elite recruits get put on janitorial assignments.


Finn is a just regular guy, and there is no evidence leading up to his fight with Kylo that indicates he can last even 2 minutes with a trained Jedi. The clones (and jango fett) got handled by the jedi in one-on-one
Finn is probably force sensitive though. But why are some people acting like Finn didn't kill a bunch of people in this.:stopitslime:
 
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