Star Wars: The Force Awakens (OFFICIAL THREAD)

[Box Cutta]

I always thought the chick was heralded as the "lead" , maybe if you're talking about the previews (which I personally don't put much stock in), I understand then (dude wielding the light saber, and even then he looked pretty uncomfortable in the previews).

I was just reading the past five or six pages and folks are in knot over dude. Like, he was the only reason why they were checking out a Star Wars film just to see "Finn", someone that doesn't even have background to "critique" on. I hope coli posters weren't expecting dude to be Nat Turner of the force.

Thanks for the clarification breh.

Dude, the bait-and-switch isn't just focused on him not being a jedi/rey being the true heroine. Even people that didn't check spoilers knew that was going to be the case.

NOBODY had ANY CLUE that this dude was going to be just another "funny black coward". That was NEVER in any of the marketing, not ONCE. They hid that shyt for a VERY obvious reason...and sadly, based on the reviews, it seems like they are going to get away with it.

His characterization sounds exactly like what I DIDN'T want out of him.

People are comparing him to a better version of Jar Jar/C3PO.

We'll see what happens after the US release. I think that MANY Black Americans are going to be heavily disappointed in what they see.

And once again, can anyone explain the reasoning behind

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Him ending up unconscious at the end of the movie?

People are saying that it's NOT a coma. So, if he just wakes up between films, what is the fukking point?

I'm sure the movie is still "good". Hell, plenty of racist/problematic movies/shows are still okay (Honestly, The Walking Dead is starting to have some of these issues...and back to JJ, LOST also centered it's only black storyline on a fatherless child and irresponsible father WAAAALLLLLLLT!) So don't tell me about it's critical acclaim as some excuse for this characterization. That's bullshyt, because Gone With The Wind is a classic, and it's also got horrible racial politics. We could name 1000's of other similar movies/shows (Hell...plenty of people have critiqued even Lando's performance in Empire, although I tend to disagree).

 

[BillBanneker]

He's black so they want him to be an unfunny, heroic, fearless Jedi master, he's a brand new character not in any star wars stuff before this

Yeah @Ziggiy already responded. And it seems like a lot of Finn "fans" on the coli thought he was going to be like what he was on the previews, which I don't invest too much into anyway so that's what my confusion comes from.

Yes. For me, at least, he was the only reason to get excited about this movie. The first trailer was the draw.. But Boyegas reaction video was the clincher.
All marketing was based on the mystery of Finn. All controversy. All teasers. Not even Han and Chewie created the buzz Finn did, and certainly not Rey.

Kylo was the other clincher.


Take out all Finn related pieces, and what sells the movie is the villain.

I'm happy for little white girls. I am not one of them, though.

I don't have to support this right now. Maybe later.

I didn't see what was so exiting about dude, although it seems like from what @Ziggiy posting in the spoiler to me was that dude

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isn't force sensitive or a potential Jedi at all

which was somewhat deceptive marketing. But it sounds like you guys don't really like star wars at all, just wanted to see a black male lead character (which I'm not mad at all), but personally I wasn't expecting that much from him anyway in this film. . I would be more hyped if they brought back Lando.

People who are Jedi stans or who conveniently forget about past black characters in Star Wars( or haven't seen Star Wars and don't realize there are strong black characters already) immediately jumped on the lightsaber stuff feel bamboozled. I am onboard that the whole thing was a sham to a.) draw in brehs and other minorities, by not letting on that the character is a sidekick and to b.) Market the movie with the most charismatic and ready to be marketed actor at the time and to c.) Do the usual Abrams misdirection and slowly bringing along a reluctant Daisy Ridley so that there is minimal backlash(will speak more on that). Trust, that (a) sucks to even myself. I don't care that Finn is a Jedi. I don't care if he's the main character. I have stated my disdain of the Jedi, and this movie sounds like it will do nothing to dispell that. The only good Jedi in my mind was Ahsoka Tano, and I hope they are smart enough to do something better with her character than just make it some footnote in Anakin's history(sorry, but that is dumb. Her impact on him should be far, far greater than what they are doing). Anyways, she left, so fukk the Jedi. But back on target, it sucks. Sounds like the character is a complete 180 from the marketing. Can someone point to a similar thing being done to a white character?

The second point, that I think is lost on this board might be the possible backlash for a female lead. I point this out because they totally used Boyega and let him take the black Stormtrooper backlash(again this is dumb as there are books and Rebels episodes with a black stormtrooper that talks about his sister being in the Imperial academy as well. Like I said, a lot of this shyt is people that have never watched or read anything from this Universe) because they were scared the Star Wars fanbase would reject a female lead. That to me is racist in and of itself and just sad. I say the same about Mad Max though. Sad they feared marketing Charlise Theron as the lead in that movie. What I will say though is that, men hate women. I think American white men hate their women on a different level, but reading this site, its clear that black men share some of that too with our own women. But white men have some psychological hate that has old world urgency, with a new world want to send them back to the kitchen if they could type of mentality. Almost an anger because the law won't let them hit them(women) when they feel they need to. And given that this project was led by a white woman, you know she was going to hide it and burn anyone in the way to make it work. Who is easiest to sacrifice? The ****** of course. Thanks KK and JJ.

That's the outrage. The young black character was sold out to make a strong white female lead. Strip that away, and I could careless if he's the end all of this movie, because Star Wars don't work like that. But it happened, so it can't be ignored whether you like the movie or not or even if you don't care about him being a Jedi. Emasculating.

Was dude really promo'd heavily as the "lead", I always thought girl was since

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she's rumored to be a skywalker

, but I refrained from all the hype with this movie; and using the black male character as a deflection from woman lead sounds like Disney.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

We already got Mace windu though. The problem with the prequels was that they took themselves too seriously. They missed the point that Star Wars is essentially a Spaghetti Western in space. Luke was lame although "the viewer" could see that he was the hero. There is no magic that helps Finn other than that of his own decisionmaking and his friends whom he freely chooses. His own agency is what

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freed him from the First Order

From what I have seen he is the most charismatic, real, funniest and second most layered character behind

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Kylo Ren

. I have also heard he carries the movie until the final act. Is he a jobber to get Rey over? Maybe. I hope not but they left the door open on his future. He could come back and be Steely resolved and powerful or he could come back and be a Jar-Jar facsimile. We will see. I like multi-faceted characters whose drive and aspirations are not so clear. Other people like comic book movies with over the top villains, clearly defined good/evil fights and one note characters who matter more for what they can do rather than their development. If I think he is just a clown then I will come in here and say it. I won't find out till tomorrow...

Him and Rey are the two leads in this new trilogy. There is a lot of comedic moments in the movie and those moments come from multiple characters not just Finn. Calling him Jar Jar is fukking ridiculous

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

And once again, can anyone explain the reasoning behind

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Him ending up unconscious at the end of the movie?

People are saying that it's NOT a coma. So, if he just wakes up between films, what is the fukking point?

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He tries fighting Kylo Ren to protect Rey, once he gets in a shot Kylo goes ham on him - stabs him in the shoulder, throws him around a bit and finally slashes his entire back.

This KO's Finn.

Rey saves him, but leaves him unconscious with the Resistance (Leia's group) and gives him a kiss on the forehead

 

[kingdizzy01]

ayo someone tag me with spoilers and ending after they watch it. imfinna ruin alot of peoples day on facebook tomorrow #rememberglenn #neverforget

 

[NERO]

Him and Rey are the two leads in this new trilogy. There is a lot of comedic moments in the movie and those moments come from multiple characters not just Finn. Calling him Jar Jar is fukking ridiculous

If that is what you got out of my post, read it again.

 

[Mowgli]

Tragic thing is the last time one of "Us" tried to put on and do something like that. It got absolutely shytted on (After Earth) and not even WE supported the brother Will Smith.


His FIRST flopped movie is the one starring a Black Father, who is heroic, courageous, and intelligent attempting to reconcile with his son while the son learns to overcome fear.

After earth didn't flop

 

[OnFleekTing]

Rey is almost 1:1 for how she was shown in the previews though
Finn nah this brother has be something else for misdirection
Boyega had to shoulder all the racist backlash when it reality his role in star wars is to just

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chase some PAWG, say some funny shyt, and get saved by white people
Even Luke got his moment in ANH when he destroyed the death star but Finn? Nope he was just thirsty for white girl who is the hero and the last time we see him he's in a coma

I can see why Boyega was worried about people liking his character somewhat
Disney marketing did him no favors

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

If that is what you got out of my post, read it again.

I'm talking about the queers calling him c3p0 and jar not you

 

[Originalman]

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He tries fighting Kylo Ren to protect Rey, once he gets in a shot Kylo goes ham on him - stabs him in the shoulder, throws him around a bit and finally slashes his entire back.

This KO's Finn.

Rey saves him, but leaves him unconscious with the Resistance (Leia's group) and gives him a kiss on the forehead

Wow what in the world. They got this dude weak as fukk.

 

[Won Won]

After earth didn't flop

$130M budget

$60M domestic
$189M foreign

 

[patscorpio]

Tragic thing is the last time one of "Us" tried to put on and do something like that. It got absolutely shytted on (After Earth) and not even WE supported the brother Will Smith.


His FIRST flopped movie is the one starring a Black Father, who is heroic, courageous, and intelligent attempting to reconcile with his son while the son learns to overcome fear.

That movie was terrible breh

 

[Mowgli]

$130M budget

$60M domestic
$189M foreign

A domestic flop in an international world

 

[NERO]

I'm talking about the queers calling him c3p0 and jar not you

Ok cool.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

A domestic flop in an international world

It flopped. Everyone knows this.