Spirituality Thread - OBEs, lucid dreams, meditation, chakras etc

[Poitier]

That is neural activity WITHIN the brain. And?
Thats nothing external.


Consciousness doesn't go against that notion...IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE NEUROSCIENCE.

Theres nothing external about this shyt.

AT ALL.

Its all stimuli. ALL. THE. WAY DOWN.

Rods/Cones => Ocular dominance colums => vision. NOT that fukking difficult.

You misunderstood what he said. He was asking whether neural activity controls perception as a one way system or can the observer effect his neural activity, which would mean it's a two way system. Explicit/declarative instead of external is a better word choice.

Plus you forgot to mention the v1 and all the other higher up processes in the brain that corrects the faulty way we perceive the physical world, which is irrelevant but shows your lack of nuance.

 

[Ciggavelli]

its funny how ya'll wanna shrug this shyt off but can't admit that you can't hold court when it comes to actually defending this magical bullshyt.

Keep laughing though as if "big bad science" is against "consciousness" or whatever you psychonauts think you're on.

Neuroscience is just one of the many sciences out there. When did that overarching theory come out that unified all of science?...

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Exactly; instead of sharing ideas and engaging in dialogue, dude comes in condescending everyone without providing any background or evidence behind his beliefs...elitist bullshyt that most atheists do...thats why you can't take them seriously

fukk it.

I AM an elitist.

I don't give credence to this magical bullshyt.

i've dropped more RAW substantiated evidence for my claims than anyone has in 40+ pages of this bullshyt thread.

 

[kp404]

Guessing?

Theres NO GUESS WORK HERE!

ALL of these things are better explained with an understanding of neuroscience.

Explain it here, man, thats all we are asking; you talk about us not being able to defend what you call magic; You are doing the exact same thing by dodging explanation. Just explain your point breh..I man enough to admit that I don't know enough thats why I'm not condemning people that believe in certain things...eve atheists...so if you are not going to explain your position and back it up, then just quit posting here and let the discussion continue in a more insightful manner.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Neuroscience is just one of the many sciences out there. When did that overarching theory come out that unified all of science?...

There aren't different sciences.

There is one science with different focuses.

Science is merely a process to confirm phenomena, at a basic level.

i don't even understand what the hell this specious sentence says.

 

[92Inc]

i may have summon a demon

 

[Ciggavelli]

"The structures of scientific revolutions" -Thomas Kuhn.

Read it...there's your fukking substantiated claim

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You hold that thoughts and emotions are absolutely a result of neural activity yes or no.

thoughts/emotions products of neural activity.

thats where the evidence supports TODAY. No word about tomorrow.

 

[Ciggavelli]

There aren't different sciences.

There is one science with different focuses.

Science is merely a process to confirm phenomena, at a basic level.

i don't even understand what the hell this specious sentence says.

I misspoke.

I meant the many different foci. Point still remains

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You misunderstood what he said. He was asking whether neural activity controls perception as a one way system or can the observer effect his neural activity, which would mean it's a two way system.

Plus you forgot to mention the v1 and all the other higher up processes in the brain that corrects the faulty way we perceive the physical world, which is irrelevant but shows your lack of nuance.

funny how you wanna pull rank but then go back and duplicitously support unsubstantiated science and raw speculation.

I'm sure Deepak Chopra is waiting for you in bed.

 

[Ego Noir]

That's not what I'm asking you.

I'm asking you about your life.

whether your parents ever forced you to go to church, and you researched and seen that it's all bull. Or you sought divine help got nothing so committed to what does offer help. Or even if you were always one who lives by modern science and just delved deeper.

Or whatever, whatever your story may be, is what I'm asking. I just want to know your story for a perspective

@Napoleon I never got an answer to this question, do you want to answer?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Explain it here, man, thats all we are asking; you talk about us not being able to defend what you call magic; You are doing the exact same thing by dodging explanation. Just explain your point breh..I man enough to admit that I don't know enough thats why I'm not condemning people that believe in certain things...eve atheists...so if you are not going to explain your position and back it up, then just quit posting here and let the discussion continue in a more insightful manner.

My point is that its ALL neurological activity.

Thats it.

Theres nothing magical about it.

I understand the desire and mystery to invoke some sort of "spirituality" about the goddamn thing...but its really not that complex.

 

[Ciggavelli]

thoughts/emotions products of neural activity.

thats where the evidence supports TODAY. No word about tomorrow.

I agree with this, but doesn't that mean that you are kinda agreeing with what we are saying about not knowing everything, therefore some of these things might be possible?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

"The structures of scientific revolutions" -Thomas Kuhn.

Read it...there's your fukking substantiated claim

...and this has what to do with you thinking you can have tea and cookies with Casper?

 

[Poitier]

funny how you wanna pull rank but then go back and duplicitously support unsubstantiated science and raw speculation.

I'm sure Deepak Chopra is waiting for you in bed.