I define metaphysics as defined by Buddha and Socrates. Not like how Satire did who lived centuries later. Once you go from nature or the Universe to God you no longer dealing with metaphysics, you dealing with theology. Once you go from dealing with superstition to dealing with faith, you go from mysticism to spirituality. Hinduism is filled with mysticism, Christianity is filled with spirituality.
Please quote to me where either Buddha or Socrates defined metaphysics. Then we can see if they defined it as excluded God and all spirituality or not.
And even if they did (which they didn't), why the heck would that mean that we would be forced to follow in their footsteps? Neither Buddha nor Socrates invented metaphysics. And even Socrates's grand-student Aristotle tied belief with an (abet impersonal) God into his metaphysics....as have many other metaphysicists over the entire 2,500+ year history of metaphysics.
I gave you source after source that showed that metaphysics and God/spirituality can be compatible. I linked dictionary definitions, encyclopedia definitions, university philosophy departments, famous metaphysicists across the world and thousands of years of history...
Meanwhile, you provide nothing. No links, no quotes, no sources, no logic. Just false claims from nowhere other than your own head that I easily disprove.
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How can you ever hope to get something right, or to convince others that you're right, if you're not willing to put up any evidence for your position, address any evidence that others put up contradicting your position, or change your mind when it's shown that you're wrong?
You're basically Donald Trump in that regard.
As far as the debate of the Johannine community, even the most conservative theologian calls them Hellenistic.
Honestly, there is not much else I can say.
Hellenistic does not mean Gnostic. Hellenistic culture existed for hundreds of years and had spread across the Mediterranean before Gnosticism was even a thing. Virtually everything in Mediterranean culture outside of the most fundamentalist Judaism was Hellenistic to some degree, and some were more than others.
That does not mean they were Gnostic at all. Hellenism and Gnosticism are different things entirely.
You still have refused to provide a single source supporting your claim that the Johannine community is widely considered by secular scholars to be Gnostic, when I've shown you repeatedly that you're wrong.
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