so why is Marvel trashing DC now a days

[Kartel13]

It doesn't matter if you know who they are already, you still need to develop them as characters. And the only way to develop them as characters is to spend time with them. The more time you spend with them the more you learn about them and the more you learn about them the more familiar you become with them. Everyone might know who Superman is but you can't tell me MOS really did a good job of developing the character because after more than 2 hours we still barely know who Clark is. All we know is that he's kind and well natured. Outside of that... bupkis. Meanwhile you know EVERYTHING there is to know about Tony Stark because his movie actually gave a damn about exploring who he was as a character.

So you have to wonder just how much TIME can they dedicate to all of these characters and furthermore how is it going to help better serve the STORY?

Avengers only had 3 jobs when it came to the story.

- Establish the threat
- Bring the avengers together
- Climactic action finale

And the reason this is so is because they didn't have to worry about introducing or developing any of their main characters because they were already developed over the course of various solo films. All they had to do was bring them together and tell the best possible story they could. Meanwhile the MOS sequel has to:

- Establish Superman (because all the last movie did was INTRODUCE Superman)
- Introduce and establish Lex Luthor.
- Introduce and establish Batman.
- Introduce Wonder Woman.
- Superman's romantic subplot with Lois.
- Batman's romantic subplot with god knows who. (maybe a love triangle with Lois)
- Climatic action finale

I'm just saying that's A LOT to handle for a movie like this and quite frankly based on MOS I just don't have faith in Snyder's ability to pull it off. Then again I did really enjoy Watchmen which he also directed but that story was practically lifted straight from the book. The MOS sequel is going to be an original story which they have to come up with themselves and it also has to work around all of these obstacles in a way that actually makes SENSE and doesn't just feel like a clusterfukk.

It's gonna be real hard to make this a cohesive movie.

MOS did what it was suppose to do to establish Superman as a hero in this modern day world. They spent most of the time exploring Clark as an outsider trying to figure out how he can fit in in today's world. How in the heck can you miss the development of his character?

And the next Superman movie is going to focus on 3 main plots:

Lex
Bats
Supes

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

MOS did what it was suppose to do to establish Superman as a hero in this modern day world. They spent most of the time exploring Clark as an outsider trying to figure out how he can fit in in today's world. How in the heck can you miss the development of his character?

Most of the movie? What are you talking about?

Random flashbacks of him being picked on as a kid and a 2 minute scene of him in a bar?

By the time he dons the suit we barely get a chance to even know him. He barely says 2 words before he takes flight.

 

[Kartel13]

Most of the movie? What are you talking about?

Random flashbacks of him being picked on as a kid and a 2 minute scene of him in a bar?

By the time he dons the suit we barely get a chance to even know him. He barely says 2 words before he takes flight.

The entire basis of his character is him being alone on earth. That's what the majority of the film explored. Being alone, hiding his identity, and learning how to his powers (which is what gave him the advantage over the other kryptonians, something his mom taught him). He had no idea who he was and had no idea what his purpose was on earth. It wasn't until he finally found the explorer ship and had a chance to speak with Jor El and have him explain the entire purpose of him being on earth: Being earth's leader and protector. Their god.

And even with the suit, we saw that Superman is reckless and displayed his weakness when he killed Zod. All that shyt will be further explored in the sequel.

 

[Clark Wayne]

Where did WB say that? Are you just assuming or do you have an article stating that?

Movie Poster Critic: Man of Steel - The $660 Million box-office disappointment?

The following is a brief analysis of Man of Steel's box-office performance on Box-Office Mojo:

Man of Steel: Zack Snyder-directed Superman reboot Man of Steel set a June opening weekend record with an incredible $116.6 million ($128.7 million including Thursday night grosses). Unfortunately, lukewarm word-of-mouth caused the movie to collapse after opening weekend, and it will wind up earning less than $300 million at the domestic box office. Add in good overseas figures ($360 million and counting) and Man of Steel is absolutely going to turn a profit. Still, the much-publicized decision to add Batman to the Man of Steel sequel suggests that this wasn't the kind of runaway success that Warner Bros. was hoping for."

WB didn't outright say it themselves but you would have to be naive to think they didn't have higher expectations.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

The entire basis of his character is him being alone on earth. That's what the majority of the film explored. Being alone, hiding his identity, and learning how to his powers (which is what gave him the advantage over the other kryptonians, something his mom taught him). He had no idea who he was and had no idea what his purpose was on earth. It wasn't until he finally found the explorer ship and had a chance to speak with Jor El and have him explain the entire purpose of him being on earth: Being earth's leader and protector. Their god.

And even with the suit, we saw that Superman is reckless and displayed his weakness when he killed Zod. All that shyt will be further explored in the sequel.

All you just did was give a plot synopsis. Yes that might have been what the movie was about in theory but that doesn't mean the movie delivered those ideas home. It was all tell and no show. All of the underlying themes, everything about Clark's internal conflict... it's all verbally spelled out for the audience and broken down into lecture. The same can be said about Nolan's Batman movies as well. The characters were all walking thesis papers. And seeing as they had the same writers involved, it isn't surprising.

I wonder how much dialogue Clark really had throughout the entire movie. I wouldn't be surprised if it was only a few minutes worth in all.

 

[Jplaya2023]

dn animation is

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

As far as comics go, I haven't like much of what Marvel has been doing in the past 10 years

 

[Grifter]

Live Action-Marvel
Cartoons-DC
Comics-Equal

 

[FLATOP]

One of the biggest problems with the movies was that Clark didn't really feel like he was his own man, ever. After he saved those kids, he pretty much just listened to whatever his two dads told him:

 

[Art Barr]

As far as comics go, I haven't like much of what Marvel has been doing in the past 10 years

marvel comics has been low quality of the used tissue paper variety since jim lee left.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

One of the biggest problems with the movies was that Clark didn't really feel like he was his own man, ever. After he saved those kids, he pretty much just listened to whatever his two dads told him:

"don't save those kids son"
"ok"
"lol hide and don't show off your powers son"
"ok"
"let them bully you son, builds character"
"ok"
"go hide under that bridge while i go die in a tornado son"
"ok"
"ur the bridge between worlds kalel"
"ok"
"put on that suit go show off your powers kalel"
"ok"
"save them, save all of them kalel"
"ok"

you must not have known or been frustrated at why superman was such a goodie goodie all your life.

mos, is the first superman anything to actually give you a full cohesive story on superman.
plus, why he had such high moral character and his awkwardness, socially.
on top of building and redoing the few little good.
that was ever gotten right about superman on film as well.

it was top notch, and I hate any and everything dc.
I don't even read the shyt and jim lee is over there.
only shyt I consistently tolerate is the dark knight series films and the dc animated adult style cartoons.

mos, was a great fukk'n movie and finally put everything in realistic place.
for anyone who is a casual viewer to like about superman.
you must not have grown up with the mantra of superman is phoney.
how old were you when they unveiled that wack villain who killed superman?

you could not have been to old.
you must have grown up watching superman in the batman style cartoon.

if you are older.
there is no way you could not have liked mos.

it is the first anything with superman.
that finally made some fukk'n sense, out of anything dealing with superman.


art barr

 

[Supercoolmayo]

Live-Action Movies: Marvel
TV Shows: DC
Animated Movies: DC
Animated TV: They both lost since Avengers: Earth's MIghtiest Heroes and Young Justice got cancelled
Comics: It's a toss up...both companies have good books and bad books

Why DC animated tv shows on are on anymore? Seems like they all got canceled

 

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Cap 2.... Hands down best marvel movie hands do so far... shytting all over dc...

 

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Double post.

 

[prophecypro]

Aside from the movies right now , its somewhat debatable across the board and a toss up.

Like I think DC does a good job with the animated stuff and the video games and they'll always have the Batman stuff. Most people seem to dig their live action TV stuff, though I think Smallville had problems in writing and while people love Arrow, that show too also has some character issues (Though they seem to be fixing that). I actually think SHIELD has slowly gotten better, but again on that front peope take DC over Marvel.

As far as the comics go, its about equal in terms of good and bad. DC's new 52 has shown some promise especially with the Batman main title and Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo running it and the Wonder Woman/Superman book was surprisingly dope. Marvel's best titles are its most unlikely like Superior Spider-man and Matt Fraction's Hawkeye run