So, when are we going to realize that Obama isn't a Civil Rights leader

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I wonder...exactly "WHAT" are peoples claims asking him to legislate along the lines of race that many of you profess some are asking for?

Who are these people and what are they asking for out of him?

A lot of the complaints on this site are exactly that, I'd venture to say most of them. Your complaints about how he caters to every race but black people are exactly that type of response. What's annoying is that you guys play this game of getting at some people's ignorance to then elevate yourselves to a supposed stance of rationality, but you consistently fail to point out exactly in Obama's agenda for black people that he has failed to address completely. Go back to his 08 platform and point things out. But instead you'd rather pick at the most irrational of Obama supporters to further legitimize your position. I don't know if you do it subconsciously but it's beneath you. You could point out that the government has failed black people on jobs, and things of that sort that he campaigned on but you all would rather attack a caricatured Obama supporter, like the guy quoted below.

Typical Obama Supporter : Ya'll just want Barack to come to the hood and give out goodies? What do you want him to do? Do you have a plan? Barack is doing everything he can, and it's still not enough for ya'll. Tavis Smiley is a hater and so is Cornell West, you guys are so unrealistic and Obama is the president of America not just Black America. What's a drone strike? Signature strike, what's that? Corporatism? Did you see his jumpshot?


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:shaq2: The funniest thing about this is that you think it's an irrational proposition for people to ask specifically what you would like Obama to work on for black people. You're blindly ranting again and again and point out shyt that has nothing to do with black people, and from to time post shyt that is completely contrary to black america. You've seen time and again that most Americans don't give a shyt about drones overseas so why the hell would that enter a discussion about Obama and black people talking about that... That is two different discussions, but you keep trying to equate your general critiques of Obama with critiques all black people should make. That's all I have to say to on that my dude. But on a more general note, if someone asks what Obama is supposed to do, the simple answer is where are the jobs in the black community. More so than anything that is what he promised to poor people, jobs and job training and investment in education. Hold a politician up to his promises, not up to things he never promised. That's why hispanicss asked where the dream act was, that's why homosexuals asked where his recognition of gay marriage was, that's why women asked for wage equality bills, etc. It's like you all want black people to be the only people not to question someone running for office on what he actually promised you. I've never seen anything like it. That's why as much as I, and a large percentage of people on here think @Type Username Here is completely unrealstic 70% of the time, I can respect his critique because Obama straight up campagined on rolling back executive power, but then kept it and in some ways expanded it. I make it myself (not that my critiques are better than anyone else's).
And it's hilarious....his biggest defenders are middle class blacks....the ones LEAST likely to come out and vote in Presidential elections.
You have no stastical basis for saying Obama's biggest supporters are middle class black people. If you do, you have not provided it. I understand you're big on this new found research that you came across about middle class people being the least likely black people to vote, but you cannot just blindly insert that into conversations. I hate threads like these, everyone just comes in and spouts out talking points and their opinions, but no one is willing to actually sit down and go through every issue, issue by issue and look at the legislative and political record. The person who does that is either an Obama-hater or Obama apologist depending on how they present the record, either or. Never are they just somebody looking at the actual facts on the ground. Even worse, threads like these just devolve into a pro-Obama vs. anti-Obama convention with people agreeing and dapping each other up that don't even necessarily agree on the issues, just their oposition to a certain individual. It's a phenomenon and something I've never encountered anywhere outside of republican political rallies.

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The OP is one of the most annoying Obama apologist on this site.

He is, and he is the stereotypical Obama supporter, but you're better than that. The same people you're dapping up and agreeing with have completely opposite political solutions than you do. I'm confused, as someone more moderate, you usually have completely different critiques than they would have. I'm trying to see where you agree.

I just wrote entirely too much, but the final point is that Obama is a political candidate and he made promises. So if you're critiquing him based on what he has or hasn't done for you and you voted for him, your critiques should start here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/ checking his actual promises. Obviously, you can critique him even if you did or didn't vote for him because it doesn't mean you agreed with everything he stands for, but it just lacks potency when it's something that he never promised.

There you go @Serious, the only post I have the time to make on the subject. Oh, and no Obama is not a civil rights leader, but history will regard him as the result of the civil rights movement, to what extent it's too early to predict.
 
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He is, and he is the stereotypical Obama supporter, but you're better than that. The same people you're dapping up and agreeing with have completely opposite political solutions than you do. I'm confused, as someone more moderate, you usually have completely different critiques than they would have. I'm trying to see where you agree.

I just wrote entirely too much, but the final point is that Obama is a political candidate and he made promises. So if you're critiquing him based on what he has or hasn't done for you and you voted for him, your critiques should start here: PolitiFact | The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises checking his actual promises. Obviously, you can critique him even if you did or didn't vote for him because it doesn't mean you agreed with everything he stands for, but it just lacks potency when it's something that he never promised.

There you go @Serious, the only post I have the time to make on the subject. Oh, and no Obama is not a civil rights leader, but history will regard him as the result of the civil rights movement, to what extent it's too early to predict.

I am aware of my differences with certain liberals on this site and that mostly comes in the realm of economics, but I have criticized Obama in the past as it relates to civil liberties and corporatism which is what BrokeWaves post revolved around. I don't do the whole "The President should do X,Y,Z for the Black community" mainly because I don't feel the political process as it is currently constructed can serve as the main vehicle for Black socioeconomic progress. But I am bothered when criticisms of the President that don't even fall under that category are met with a straw man driven,,condescending, dismissive attitude which is why I found BW's post to be apt to say the very least.
 
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I am aware of my differences with certain liberals on this site and that mostly comes in the realm of economics, but I have criticized Obama in the past as it relates to civil liberties and corporatism which is what BrokeWaves post revolved around. I don't do the whole "The President should do X,Y,Z for the Black community" mainly because I don't feel the political process as it is currently constructed can serve as the main vehicle for Black socioeconomic progress. But I am bothered when criticisms of the President that don't even fall under that category are met with a straw man driven,,condescending, dismissive attitude which is why I found BW's post to be apt to say the very least.

But that post, as it is, has nothing to do with the issues of black americans and that's what the OP was talking about and so were the post following his (no matter how misguided they were). I don't understand how drones attacks and things of that sort are in anyway related directly to the "civil rights" issue and really the guy was talking about black people if you read his post. That's why I asked because I know your against using the government as a vehicle, it had be confused. As far as criticizing the current administration or corporatism or civil liberties, that's fair but even those corporatism critiques off fall into the realm of broad critiques of the American system which any student of history and government knew that one person and one administration won't change in this age. I don't think broad critiques like that are effective when we're having discussions of specific policies and specific policy proposals or broken promises. This isn't the age of Teddy and anti-trust.

HOWEVER, on that note of corporatism, take the TARP for example, 75 billion of it was supposed to go towards helping about 9 million people keep their homes and I know as of like 3 years ago it only went towards like 500,000 people and that's because the administration wouldn't hold the banks like Bank of America to their side of the bargain. You had administration officials come out and criticize the treasury department (that bum Geithner) for their failure of enforcement and the American people lost because of it. THAT, is a critique of corporatism. I feel too often we get into the habit of copying and pasting our theoretical political science essays.
 

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In an alternate Utopia Earth, Obama does all what he promised and keeps it real in front of white America. Democrats and Republicans love him and he surpasses MLK as the GOAT black person. :ohhh:

There will always be peons looking above thinking they could be a better king. :childplease:
 

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And it's hilarious....his biggest defenders are middle class blacks....the ones LEAST likely to come out and vote in Presidential elections.

:stopitslime:

Members of my family have been :eat: ing real good under the :obama: administration. We saw a significant rise in income and on tax returns :win: , :umad:

And hell yeah we voted. All my middle class brehs voted.



upper-class and middle-class blacks are the ones who turn out to vote, dumbass.
Poor nikkas in the hood never bother to vote.

basically. ( :dead: ) n1ggas on here thinking pookie and ray-ray are voting in elections. ( :snoop: )
 

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I just don't like that he ignores black unemployment yet simultaneously nags the black community and wags his finger at black fathers while only catering to Wallstreet and white middle class (and now Latino) interests. People can talk about congress and the senate all they want but he made illegal immigrant rights and homosexual rights a priority. Barack doesn't give a fukk about blacks and clearly tries to keep them at arm's length for political reasons yet he would have never EVER been elected or re-elected without them.

I was proud when he got elected but like any leader he has to be held accountable for his actions and he clearly doesn't concern himself with black issues (even when black unemployment is at its worst in several DECADES) because he knows they'll support him just for being black. Dude extended almost all of Bush's policies but doesn't get called on that because he's (half) black like us. Take away the complexion and he's an austere right of center cac as far as actions/his record are concerned. Won't say or do anything about the War On Drugs, Guantanamo Bay (like he promised), mass incarceration of blacks yet we're supposed to be proud of him :wtf:?

You would never hear him say "I'm not the president of Jewish America, I'm the president of the United States of America" about Jews the way he did about blacks. I'd be okay with that statement if he included blacks in any of his plans (which he doesn't). I guess blacks aren't part of the United States.

Dude puts his hand on Martin Luther King's bible but never EVER address/talks about/acknowledges racism (unless he's excusing white people) :mindblown:.



^^His thoughts on Obama throughout the video basically sum up my opinion of Barack.

He has not contributed anything of substance to blacks and has no plans to. All of his contributions have been symbolic. You can say he "doesn't owe you anything" but 95% of blacks voted his ass in and got zero in return. If a president won't do anything for his constituents then he shouldn't be voted for period. No one expects a hand out but to get nothing in return from a president (not a king, a president in a democratic country) is a raw deal.
 
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I've said over and over that I havent and never will say anything bad about Obama unless it warrants such.

It's nikkas out here who are shortsighted and on the whole, "he aint helpin me out so I dont care about him" that are the ones doing teh criticizing. When he actually is helping you out by improving y/our image in the eyes of many people all over the world. If a damn TV show like The Cosby Show showed white people a different side of blacks, then SURELY the President being black has and will continue to do the same.

Any black person with half a brain knows it's a miracle he got elected once, and then a second term.

White people hate his guts and call him a monkey all the time where have you been :wtf:? Other white people use him as a way to put down poor ghetto blacks by saying "if he can become president why can't you? Racism is in your head, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, you lazy negro" :snoop:.

It's not a miracle because he was selected. If Jesse became president that would be a miracle.
 

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You have cats who get pissed at him because he isn't pushing a pro black agenda such as Cornell West and Tavis Smiley. They may not call him one but they want him to act as if he is one. Even posters on here act like his election is no big deal and downplay it like he is just your everyday politician. The hell he is, what that dude pulled off is nothing short of a miracle.
Addressing issues that affect black people != being a Civil Rights leader

Obama has put his neck out for a lot of special interest groups including big banks and Latinos... so why expecting him to show his own people the same courtesy/interest is a bad thing seems beyond me
 

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The nicca is a failure. Almost the only good he's done is make em mad.

No he's not a Civil Rights leader. He's hardly a leader at all. Fact is he knows our perspective though, he knows certain shyt has been ignored by our political system, he knows that we get profiled and arrested than thrown into the system fukcin us up for life, he knows the lack of opportunity in the "hood"

And what does he do? Have a beer at the White House with a racist cop and throw Rev Wright and Louis Farakhan under the bus. Two niccaz that are actual civil rights leaders that express the views of so many of us. Barry marginalizes their voices so mainstream amerikkka can point to him and say thats what niccaz should be. They shouldnt be mad and disappointed with amerikkka... they should be like this polite well spoken half negro

So yeah becoming president was a big deal... not doing shyt with it, well thats a big deal too. But hurting civil rights in the process? fukc that nicca for that.

But I still want him on Rushmore
 

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Addressing issues that affect black people != being a Civil Rights leader

Obama has put his neck out for a lot of special interest groups including big banks and Latinos... so why expecting him to show his own people the same courtesy/interest is a bad thing seems beyond me

What has he done that will benefit only latino's and noone else, which is what a lot of people want him to do for the black community.
 

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What has he done that will benefit only latino's and noone else, which is what a lot of people want him to do for the black community.

Hold up.

Here's the thing that sickens me coming from folk like you and the @BarNone of the world.

The angle that speaking or doing things for black people automatically segregates itself from helping others. The point is, no Democratic President since 1961 has talked LESS about race than this man.

No one is asking him to do anything but speak to our issues and stop being afraid to do so.

The point is, he doesn't TALK to or ABOUT us. It's always his online proxies that seem to be doing all the talking.

And YES @BarNone, there is statistical data backing the assertion that low income blacks voted more for this President than Middle or Upper income blacks, the ones least likely to come out and vote. I know you don't like the idea of Middle to Upper Income blacks at their $500 a plate chicken dinner functions are least likely to go to the polls, angry that Lecretia from around the way is most likely to go out and vote, but it's there.
 
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The nicca is a failure. Almost the only good he's done is make em mad.

No he's not a Civil Rights leader. He's hardly a leader at all. Fact is he knows our perspective though, he knows certain shyt has been ignored by our political system, he knows that we get profiled and arrested than thrown into the system fukcin us up for life, he knows the lack of opportunity in the "hood"

And what does he do? Have a beer at the White House with a racist cop and throw Rev Wright and Louis Farakhan under the bus. Two niccaz that are actual civil rights leaders that express the views of so many of us. Barry marginalizes their voices so mainstream amerikkka can point to him and say thats what niccaz should be. They shouldnt be mad and disappointed with amerikkka... they should be like this polite well spoken half negro

So yeah becoming president was a big deal... not doing shyt with it, well thats a big deal too. But hurting civil rights in the process? fukc that nicca for that.

But I still want him on Rushmore

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You ever heard of the Dream Act?

That solely was for latino's? :usure: They make up a large number of them but this bill also helps the 20% of non-latino immigrants in the country illegally as well. You can compare it to the fair sentencing act being that African Americans are targeted for unfair sentences more so than others but it can also be used to help other ethnicities who would have received unfair sentences as well. My point is there will never be a bill that directly effects only one ethnic community. And aren't you african? Some of them will benefit from the Dream Act.
 
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