Automation is already a factor in every industrial industry......
you need control's technicians, mechanics, and operators for automation to work. those are people BTW
China is the bar now
WTF do you know about Chinese shipping ports...you Chinese?
So the longshoremen are about to go on strike on the East and Gulf coasts.
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Automation is already a factor in every industrial industry......
you need control's technicians, mechanics, and operators for automation to work. those are people BTW
China is the bar now
WTF do you know about Chinese shipping ports...you Chinese?
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Superstar
It's got nothing to do with "Donald Trump".i'd be a lot more on the workers side if they had done this earlier in the year, or last year, not as a coordinated fukking favor to donald trump right before the election
this is not gonna be received well by the public. wait and see
This is a modern fiction meant to sow doubt in and confusion among the working class:
Cripple the factory bosses.
so the timing is a coincidence? gimme a break
we'll see how the public views this in a month
as far as i'm concerned, they can strike if they wantIt's got nothing to do with "Donald Trump".
This is a modern fiction meant to sow doubt in and confusion among the working class:
Cripple the factory bosses.
Politics do play a part breh......
leverage is critical for negotiations
this is a fact of life across the board for business.
It's got nothing to do with "Donald Trump".
This is a modern fiction meant to sow doubt in and confusion among the working class:
Cripple the factory bosses.
its not a coincidence at all that the deadline was months before the election lol lets be real
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Superstar
Politics do play a part breh......
leverage is critical for negotiations
this is a fact of life across the board for business.
so the timing is a coincidence? gimme a break
we'll see how the public views this in a month
Lemme throw some nuance in here:
1. The "Racist/Conservative/Non-progressive" "Tradesman" is a recent phenomenon. It is fiction meant
to create doubt among workers. It's how the IT guy doesn't see himself as the same as the Janitor and the Lunch Lady.
We are all workers and should be paid accordingly, we shouldn't see a fraction of the actual value we bring to a given business.
It was literally created in a thinktank and my podcast link speaks on that.
@ Citations needed a fantastic leftist podcast.2. I can agree it is strategic and the union is doing this close to an election for maximum impact, their goal is to increase the salaries
of their constituents and that's exactly what they SHOULD DO. This is something I support across ALL INDUSTRIES.
All workers SHOULD unionize to bargain for a FAIRER AND HIGHER WAGES because there is no justifiable reason for the SHAREHOLDERS
AND CEO to see MORE off of YOUR BACK than YOU.
SO I don't feel this is being done in order to "make trump win" or to "get back at the Democrats".
This is workers exercising the rights that people died for last century.
3. The public often doesn't get what's going on at all, we're in a nation of eroding workers rights, evaporating wages, increased inflation and constant funding of various geopolitical projects which don't fix any of the issues at home while causing one abroad.
People will get pissed but they should be educated to get mad at those exploiting them NOT the longshoremen.
as long as we're clear that those people offered the longshoremen a 50% raise
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Superstar
or they could get replaced by automation100% would be best.
it's dangerous, backbreaking work, right? bad for people?
good lord man... my point isn't some complex narrative hidden behind layers of rhetoric and us/them-ismsLemme throw some nuance in here:
1. The "Racist/Conservative/Non-progressive" "Tradesman" is a recent phenomenon. It is fiction meant
to create doubt among workers. It's how the IT guy doesn't see himself as the same as the Janitor and the Lunch Lady.
We are all workers and should be paid accordingly, we shouldn't see a fraction of the actual value we bring to a given business.
It was literally created in a thinktank and my podcast link speaks on that.
2. I can agree it is strategic and the union is doing this close to an election for maximum impact, their goal is to increase the salaries
of their constituents and that's exactly what they SHOULD DO. This is something I support across ALL INDUSTRIES.
All workers SHOULD unionize to bargain for a FAIRER AND HIGHER WAGES because there is no justifiable reason for the SHAREHOLDERS
AND CEO to see MORE off of YOUR BACK than YOU.
SO I don't feel this is being done in order to "make trump win" or to "get back at the Democrats".
This is workers exercising the rights that people died for last century.
3. The public often doesn't get what's going on at all, we're in a nation of eroding workers rights, evaporating wages, increased inflation and constant funding of various geopolitical projects which don't fix any of the issues at home while causing one abroad.
People will get pissed but they should be educated to get mad at those exploiting them NOT the longshoremen.
the contract deadline was literally set this way so that an election season sized gun was at people's heads over this lol. this is actually very, very straightforward and done so to ensure that leverage was at its peak.
and instead of SHAREHOLDERS and FAIR WAGES dramatics you could actually look up any of the myriad sources tracking all this shyt from months back. like it legit makes sense to understand the context, no matter what your feelings are.
ILA and Employers Confident as Master Labor Contract Talks Set to Begin
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Superstar
That isn't going to happen.or they could get replaced by automation
it's dangerous, backbreaking work, right? bad for people?
If it were feasible and the cost savings were there they would've done it already.
Amazon is one of the largest behemoths on the entire planet, they have an entire division
dedicated to automation, yet, workers are still around and 99% of companies ARE NOT Amazon.
COUGH.
UP.
THE.
DOUGH!!!
They can afford it.
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Superstar
then why is the union begging not to be replaced, as part of their demands? make it make senseThat isn't going to happen.
If it were feasible and the cost savings were there they would've done it already.
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Superstar
Don't know.
Don't care.
Why deal in hypotheticals when what is happening right now is they can cripple the economy by using
their leverage?
If you're working class (and there's a 99% you are not apart of the 1%), you should support this.
I'm sure you'll respond to this but I'm not budging, I'm standin' on bidness.
I support the workers and their right to fukk shyt up when they have to.
Better than the 1800s when they had to dig trenches and shoot at private armies.
i'm indifferentTo be clear.
I feel the strategy is good.
And I wish they had a bigger gun,
automation at ports is coming, and i don't think people truly grasp what a next-gen port would even look like yet... but its not going to spring into existence *this time around*it is likely that this is their last go round for raises and protections. so it is what it is. they got the gun and biden is not in a position to pump fake either.