So the longshoremen are about to go on strike on the East and Gulf coasts.

[rdot]

i'd be a lot more on the workers side if they had done this earlier in the year, or last year, not as a coordinated fukking favor to donald trump right before the election

this is not gonna be received well by the public. wait and see

Their contract ended at midnight sept 30, they can’t just strike whenever they want.

 

[the cac mamba]

Don't know.
Don't care.
Why deal in hypotheticals when what is happening right now is they can cripple the economy by using
their leverage?

and as one of the 330 million americans who isn't one of the 45,000 dock workers, why do i support giving them the ability to cripple the economy at all? robots don't have union bosses who rely on kickbacks, and the mafia killing witnesses against them

this is not gonna be well received by the public especially after the hurricanes. but knock yourself out

 

[Insensitive]

i'm indifferent automation at ports is coming, and i don't think people truly grasp what a next-gen port would even look like yet... but its not going to spring into existence *this time around*

it is likely that this is their last go round for raises and protections. so it is what it is. they got the gun and biden is not in a position to pump fake either.

To be honest, I feel the best path forward (that's more likely to happen in China before America) is to skill up
the population at the state's cost.
Automation shouldn't be a threat but a new industry to create mechanics, software engineers, design engineers etc. to fill that space.
Much like the railroad worker disappeared and the computers became machines instead of dozens of underpaid women.

We should be empowering workers for the next stages of our economy not leaving them high and dry.

 

[skylove4]

I’m super liberal and support workers right but I welcome the automation. We cannot halt human progress for those who want to hold us in the past. Americans really need to start talking about universal basic income and become way more politicly involved. Some people like the silly ones in here really think the world stops for them
some of you cats in here looking like

 

[the cac mamba]

To be honest, I feel the best path forward (that's more likely to happen in China before America) is to skill up
the population at the state's cost.
Automation shouldn't be a threat but a new industry to create mechanics, software engineers, design engineers etc. to fill that space.
Much like the railroad worker disappeared and the computers became machines instead of dozens of underpaid women.

We should be empowering workers for the next stages of our economy not leaving them high and dry.

definitely agree with all this

the problem is that if 45,000 union workers have the power to threaten a 330 million person country's economy, it's a case for more automation

Arby's has 70,000 employees, but no one would get up in arms if Arby's workers lost their jobs. so the longshoremen better tread carefully

 

[Absolut]

The solution is quite clear. Give em the short term win, and automate em out entirely as quick as you can. Bozos out here boasting about crippling Americans lives over rejecting an 50% raise after hurricanes just hit last week. They can eat a dikk. The union head couldn’t be worse of a look the way he’s out here talking

 

[Robbie3000]

Damn, Dock workers get paid like that? What the hell was Frank Sobatka and his local doing wrong?

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

they average 200k a year, tranny chaser. plus another 100k in benefits. how is that not "what they're worth"? what are they worth?

Just because dockworkers earn a decent wage now doesn't mean they're immune to the effects of automation or that they don't deserve job security. Making over $100k+ a year today won't protect them if they're replaced by machines tomorrow. It's not just about the paycheck, it's about work stability, which is something every laborer deserves. And something that they are rightfully fighting for. Further, dockworkers EARN those wages because of the kind of hard, physically demanding, and dangerous work they do, which justifies their compensation for their arduous labor. You have to be a complete fukking idiot blind to history to not understand the effects that destroying those jobs would have on the livelihoods of the workers themselves, especially in a country without a robust safety net, and is allergic to universal healthcare, universal basic income, and so on.

 

[IIVI]

This is a reminder robots are coming for every job, every.

There's a CEO out there somewhere in every industry looking to "save money".

You can bend and shape robots to get in nooks/crannies, install tools on them, make them fly, etc. End of the day they're simply so versatile, can be trained, etc. The "expertise" can be basically uploaded.

Really stupid we've had so long to plan for this shyt but our old ass and crooked politicians we keep electing have been out of touch for the last two decades.

Again, this is what happens when you let Reagonomics do it's thing for 40 years.

 

[the cac mamba]

Just because dockworkers earn a decent wage now doesn't mean they're immune to the effects of automation or that they don't deserve job security. Making over $100k+ a year today won't protect them if they're replaced by machines tomorrow. It's not just about the paycheck, it's about work stability, which is something every laborer deserves. And something that they are rightfully fighting for. Further, dockworkers EARN those wages because of the kind of hard, physically demanding, and dangerous work they do, which justifies their compensation for their arduous labor. You have to be a complete fukking idiot blind to history to not understand the effects that destroying those jobs would have on the livelihoods of the workers themselves, especially in a country without a robust safety net, and is allergic to universal healthcare, universal basic income, and so on.

so you feel the exact same about coal miners, correct?

 

[RickyGQ]

Lemme throw some nuance in here:

1. The "Racist/Conservative/Non-progressive" "Tradesman" is a recent phenomenon. It is fiction meant
to create doubt among workers. It's how the IT guy doesn't see himself as the same as the Janitor and the Lunch Lady.
We are all workers and should be paid accordingly, we shouldn't see a fraction of the actual value we bring to a given business.
It was literally created in a thinktank and my podcast link speaks on that. @ Citations needed a fantastic leftist podcast.

2. I can agree it is strategic and the union is doing this close to an election for maximum impact, their goal is to increase the salaries
of their constituents and that's exactly what they SHOULD DO. This is something I support across ALL INDUSTRIES.
All workers SHOULD unionize to bargain for a FAIRER AND HIGHER WAGES because there is no justifiable reason for the SHAREHOLDERS
AND CEO to see MORE off of YOUR BACK than YOU.
SO I don't feel this is being done in order to "make trump win" or to "get back at the Democrats".
This is workers exercising the rights that people died for last century.

3. The public often doesn't get what's going on at all, we're in a nation of eroding workers rights, evaporating wages, increased inflation and constant funding of various geopolitical projects which don't fix any of the issues at home while causing one abroad.
People will get pissed but they should be educated to get mad at those exploiting them NOT the longshoremen.

A lot of bootlickers in this thread, sounding like the same people telling black people to stay in line every time they ask for specific demands from political candidates for their community.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

definitely agree with all this

the problem is that if 45,000 union workers have the power to threaten a 330 million person country's economy, it's a case for more automation

Arby's has 70,000 employees, but no one would get up in arms if Arby's workers lost their jobs. so the longshoremen better tread carefully

"I care about American citizens"

The idea that automating away longshoremen's jobs as a solution to their power is ridiculous. I'm not surprised your ignorant ass is advocating for it. If we start replacing people every time they demand better wages, better working conditions, and stability, then no one's job is safe, and society is going to collapse under the weight of its own greed, but again, you care about American citizens. It's ridiculous how you're talking like these workers don't matter when they do. They're the ones keeping supply chains running and ensuring shyt even make it to where it needs to be. Automation isn't some magic bullet, it's a short-sighted way for the rich to squeeze even more money out of the system while leaving everyone else high and dry, but again, you care about American citizens.

That Arby's analogy is just too stupid to even attempt to address in a meaningful way.

 

[the cac mamba]

"I care about American citizens"

i asked you a question, fakkit

do you say the same about coal miners, as you do longshoremen? same exact rhetoric?

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

so you feel the exact same about coal miners, correct?

i asked you a question, fakkit

do you say the same about coal miners, as you do longshoremen? same exact rhetoric?

Can you ever respond to what someone is saying or do you just care about stupid 'gotcha' bullshyt? Address my posts in a meaningful way, and then I will answer this question, you racist animal.

 

[the cac mamba]

Can you ever respond to what someone is saying

that's a no. fakkit