So @sccit is an open zionist on a black hip hop forum?

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I am confused. Weren’t these people seen as white?

Your confusion stems from an anachronistic definition of 'White'.​

 

[RedCloakBlackWraithe]

Hes in the nick cannon thread juelzing like crazy

He needs to be banned
@CHICAGO

ayo one breh said this nick thing was orchestrated. i'm starting to believe it just might have been. if all his reps are jewish and he's been in the industry for so long while knowing how and who runs entertainment he knew not to tell the truth about things. and now he's peddling books by zionists. yeah, all skinfolk ain't kinfolk.

 

[Ish Gibor]

In 1860, would an Irish put on a Census that he or she was a Irish or state that he or she was White?? yes or no

There you go: You can read it for yourself and see what the choices were

1860 Census: Population of the United States

I just told you that there were 25% of Jews in Louisiana during the civil war, pull up the Census report from the time frame 1859 - 1863 and see if you see a "Jew" section, Free Coloreds, Whites, Indians, and Slave

The only people that were allowed to migrate/ immigrate freely to the 13 colonies was Europeans (whites).

What we have learned in this thread is that conversion has been the norm in Judaism. Meaning "white people" converted to Judaism. These "white Jewish people" do show similar genetic traits like other Europeans, but with isolated SNP's due to the religious isolation. There is some ancient trait in them due to a bottleneck effect.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Your confusion stems from an anachronistic definition of 'White'.​

This concept was created by Europeans, correct?

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

This concept was created by Europeans, correct?

Yep​

 

[RedCloakBlackWraithe]

lotta posters on ignore. protecting my peace and all that.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Yep​

Glade you came to an agreement here. So do most Europeans believe in this race/ racial concept?

 

[Ish Gibor]

No, I don't since institutional racism can be traced back directly to Virginia in 1691.......

They believe tons of other nonsense and post it on anonymous message boards.

That's about it.​

I know the book above. We need to add something to this, to understand the essence.

"This letter illustrates how Elizabeth I attempted to divert attention from social problems by blaming Black people. It was sent to the lord mayor and aldermen of London and to mayors and sheriffs throughout the country.

The queen asserts that England has a growing population of its own and does not need the 'divers blackmoores brought into this realme'. This was followed by a declaration that 10 Black people would be deported. This was only the opening salvo in Elizabeth's campaign to remove 'blackmoores' from England."

PC 2/21, f 304 (11 July 1596)

Black Scapegoats

"But while Elizabeth may have enjoyed being entertained by Black people, in the 1590s she also issued proclamations against them. In 1596 she wrote to the lord mayors of major cities noting that there were 'of late divers blackmoores brought into this realm, of which kind of people there are already here to manie...'. She ordered that 'those kinde of people should be sente forth of the land'.

Elizabeth made an arrangement for a merchant, Casper van Senden, to deport Black people from England in 1596. The aim seems to have been to exchange them for (or perhaps to sell them to obtain funds to buy) English prisoners held by England’s Catholic enemies Spain and Portugal."

[…]

'Those kinde of people may be well spared'

"A week after authorising the deportation of 10 Blackmoores, Elizabeth sent an open letter to various public officials, including the lord mayor of London, requiring their co-operation in the deportation of sufficient numbers of Blackamoores to defray the costs incurred by the merchant, Casper van Senden, in returning English prisoners from Spain and Portugal.

No one could be taken without the consent of his or her master. Elizabeth did not offer any compensation, expecting they would 'like Christians rather to be served by their owne countrymen then with those kynde of people'."

PC 2/21, f. 306 (18 July 1596)

No doubt van Senden intended to sell these people. But this was not to be, because masters of Black workers - who had not been offered compensation - refused to let them go. In 1601, Elizabeth issued a further proclamation expressing her 'discontentment by the numbers of blackamores which are crept into this realm...' and again licensing van Senden to deport Black people. It is doubtful whether this second proclamation was any more successful than the first.

Why this sudden, urgent desire to expel members of England's Black population? It was more than a commercial transaction pursued by the queen. In the 16th century, the ruling classes became increasingly concerned about poverty and vagrancy, as the feudal system - which, in theory, had kept everyone in their place - finally broke down. They feared disorder and social breakdown and, blaming the poor, brought in poor laws to try to deal with the problem.

In the 1590s the harvests repeatedly failed, bringing hunger, disease and a rapid increase in poverty and vagrancy. Elizabeth's orders against Black people were an attempt to blame them for wider social problems. Her proclamation of 1601 claimed that Black people were 'fostered and relieved here to the great annoyance of [the queen's] own liege people, that want the relief, which those people consume'. The proclamation also stated that 'most of them are infidels, having no understanding of Christ or his Gospel'.

It may be the case that many (although by no means all) Black people were Muslims (of North African origin). If so, it seems that the queen was playing on their difference from Protestant England to assert that they were not welcome. Whether they were actually more likely to be in poverty than Whites is much more doubtful. What is clear is that they were being used as a convenient scapegoat at a time of crisis.
Nationalarchives.gov.uk| Black presence | Early times

This "radicalized science" has and is having real effect on Black lives. This is on a national and international scale with policies based on Hamitic doctrine reasoning, which eventually goes back to the 6th century A.D..

Günther Zainer, Augsburg, 1472), illustrating the first page of chapter XIV of the Etymologiae of Isidore of Seville

The last 500 years has been excessive.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I know the book above. This "radicalized science" has and is real affecting the Black lives. This is on national and international policies are based on Hamitic doctrine reasoning, which eventually goes back to the 6th century A.D.. The last 500 years has been an expound.

'Hamitic Doctrine' doesn't play any part in systemic racism other than as a justification for race-based slavery in the 19th Century which, ultimately, backfired.....

 

[NO-BadAzz]

The only people that were allowed to migrate/ immigrate freely to the 13 colonies was Europeans (whites).

This is not true, when again 25% of Louisiana during the civil war were Jews, and many of them were Officials and Staff members of the Confederacy Army and Navy

 

[NO-BadAzz]

That doesn't prove any of your assertions at all, breh. How many is 'a lot' and how many of them lied?​

It proves it.

You don't believe anybody lied on the Census report.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Glade you came to an agreement here. So do most Europeans believe in this race/ racial concept?

Most people do, now, in-general as it is convenient, even though it is totally inaccurate as neither exterior nor genetic characteristics can be used to exclude one ethnic group from another. That's why scientific racism is pseudoscience.​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

It proves it.

It proves nothing.​

You don't believe anybody lied on the Census report.

That isn't my stance at all.​

 

[NO-BadAzz]

It proves nothing.​

That isn't my stance at all.​

So you believe that there were lies on the Census reports?

In a post you mentioned something about "whites" being the slave owners which you gathered from a Census report from 1860, I went and grab the actual Census report and asked you how would a Irish or Jew classify themselves, Who else do you think are lumped in the "whites" section?

 

[NO-BadAzz]

It proves nothing.​

That isn't my stance at all.​

How many Jews owned slave ships??

I see that you ducked my question about who do you think had a monopoly on slavery question.