So mike brown is a reasonable scape goat for kobe but not for lebron?

[seemorecizzy]

its only been a couple years and nikkas is already tryin to rewrite history

i wonda how it will be in 10

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d-Mnfz6iB0[/ame]

heres a lil reminder

lebron quit on da cavs in game 5

its not even a debate
its one of da strangest games in nba history and it sparked rumors of teammates fukking his mom to him looking for a way out

its not like he just had a bad game, dis was some blantant shyt

cavs coulda went to da finals dat year if he aint quit

lets please not pretend like da cavs werent da favourite to go to da finals lebrons last two years in clevland

lebron wanted out for his whatever reason, but please lets not act like he was garnett on da sota

as for da thread title

mike brown was to blame for some of what happened in dat last season in clevland. some of his rotations and decision making was horrible, but it was over shadowed by lebron quitting

as for da lakers, its a completely different system and situation

just like players, coaches need a system and collection of players that fit their coaching style. hence why dantoni looked so good in phx but looked like a bum is ny (for da record i always thought pringles was a wack coach but just saying)

mike brown just isnt da right coach for the make up of this team. but with or without him, despite da hype, the lakers are a VERY flawed team and i've been sayin dis since day 1.

 

[NYC Rebel]

its only been a couple years and nikkas is already tryin to rewrite history

i wonda how it will be in 10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d-Mnfz6iB0

heres a lil reminder

lebron quit on da cavs in game 5

its not even a debate
its one of da strangest games in nba history and it sparked rumors of teammates fukking his mom to him looking for a way out

its not like he just had a bad game, dis was some blantant shyt

cavs coulda went to da finals dat year if he aint quit

lets please not pretend like da cavs werent da favourite to go to da finals lebrons last two years in clevland

lebron wanted out for his whatever reason, but please lets not act like he was garnett on da sota

as for da thread title

mike brown was to blame for some of what happened in dat last season in clevland. some of his rotations and decision making was horrible, but it was over shadowed by lebron quitting

as for da lakers, its a completely different system and situation

just like players, coaches need a system and collection of players that fit their coaching style. hence why dantoni looked so good in ny but looked like a bum is phoniex (for da record i always thought pringles was a wack coach but just saying)

mike brown just isnt da right for the make up of this team. but with or without him, despite da hype, the lakers are a VERY flawed team and i've been sayin dis since day 1.

What does that have to do with Mike Brown's limitations as a head coach not being evenly applied by Kobe fans who are announcing how bad Mike Brown the coach is NOW as opposed to when that same coach was coaching Lebron?

That's the core argument here.

 

[FTBS]

Are you lumping in "last few years" with "early season struggles" of this year

You are trolling with your questions breh. You are Skip Bayless, because this isnt even the same question that you asked....which I ALREADY answered.

I originally quoted you saying:



And responded to your statement that he was taken more heat with Lakers then he ever did with the Cavs with:



Then you said:







I dont see why it even kept going further.

You're acting as if we are supposed to be as lenient as Cavs fans were with Mike Brown or blame Kobe, because Mike Brown would rather put MWP at our backup shooting guard....or play Kobe 43 minutes on a bad foot....or tell potential FAs that he wouldnt play them so dont sign with LA.

That's all breh

Okay I get it. I get it. No matter how I phrase it you are just not gonna address the real issue.

Real question☞ Lakers fail its mike browns fault

Cavs fail its all on lebron?

What does that have to do with accepting mediocrity or Mike Brown's coaching ability? All my posts have been apparently feeble attempts to get focus back onto the actual issue at hand but you are determined to avoid it so carry on.

 

[FTBS]

What does that have to do with Mike Brown's limitations as a head coach not being evenly applied by Kobe fans who are announcing how bad Mike Brown the coach is NOW as opposed to when that same coach was coaching Lebron?

That's the core argument here.

Either you and I are smarter then everyone or nikkas or intentionally avoiding the point. Gotta be the former because nikkas would never avoid a point just because they can't refute it...would they?

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Generally speaking. I didn't sit and keep track of every person who said everything so I can't give you names. I do notice trends though. Blaming Mike Brown for team failures is far more trendy on this board and in the media now than it was 3 or 4 years ago. I didn't hear shyt about how bad a coach he was back then (except of course from Bron/Cavs fans ). I heard way more comparisons of Bron and Kobe then I ever heard of Phil and Mike Brown.

You do realize you're talking about two different teams in two completely different situations right?

When Mike Brown was in Cleveland all he had was Lebron and bunch of other guys. The only times Lebron really got all the blame was in the 2010 playoffs where he just ghosted on the team. Usually Mike Brown and the lack of talent around Lebron was blamed.

Right now Mike Brown is coaching team with four top 20 players in the starting lineup. The expectations are totally different because of team he's coaching and the players on the roster.

Just like people right now are calling for Mike Brown to be fired and Pau Gasol to be traded, people were saying the same thing at the start of the 2010-2011 season about Spo and Bosh in Miami.

Who do you blame more for the Lakers early struggles this year and struggles in general over the last year or so? Mike Brown or Kobe. Who did you blame for the Cavs falling short in Lebrons' last couple years there? Mike Brown or Bron. Honestly.

This year much of the early struggles are on Brown. The majority of the problems this team has right now they had last season also. Excessive turnovers due to players not being comfortable in the offensive system, bench players being out of rhythm due to shytty rotations, Kobe playing excessive minutes, general lack of respect being shown to the coach.

Last season quite a few people (myself included) were giving Brown a bit of a pass because the shortened season had to have hurt what he was trying to do, but this season he had a full training camp yet we're still seeing the same problems.

Again the Cavs situation back then was different. I really only put the 2010 playoffs on Bron, dude phoned it in during that playoff run. most of their playoff failures had to do with Brown's coaching and a lack of talent on the roster. Bron had to grow as a player also (which he's done in recent years).

Don't know why everyone seems to think I hate or have some sort of bias against Bron when I actually defend dude a good bit on this board.

 

[TheNig]

What does that have to do with Mike Brown's limitations as a head coach not being evenly applied by Kobe fans who are announcing how bad Mike Brown the coach is NOW as opposed to when that same coach was coaching Lebron?

That's the core argument here.

I thought the argument was already made that people noticed he was a bad coach back then.

 

[Newzz]

Okay I get it. I get it. No matter how I phrase it you are just not gonna address the real issue.



What does that have to do with accepting mediocrity or Mike Brown's coaching ability? All my posts have been apparently feeble attempts to get focus back onto the actual issue at hand but you are determined to avoid it so carry on.

I specifically SHOWED you in quotes what I was addressing and you are telling me that I'm not addressing the issue? lol I could've swore, i addressed what I had the problem with you saying

Your first post that I quoted said

the issue is the fact that he has taken more heat for the Lakers rough start then he ever did for the Cvas failures

How did I not respond to the "issue", when I basically said that the reason he's taking more heat is because he's under more scrutiny coaching for LA than he was in Cleveland.

What dont you understand?

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Are we REALLY seriously gonna pretend like Mike Brown wasn't roundly considered a bad coach before he was even hired by the Lakers based on absolutely NOTHING but his failure to win a championship with the Cavs? Dude was openly mocked and considered a joke by NBA fans everywhere...rightly so or not...the perception that he was incompetent is not some recent development conjured up in the minds of laker fans...this "oh now the lakers are having a rough start and now all of a sudden Mike Brown is taking heat" stuff is BULLshyt ...you dudes are just flat out inventing alternate realities now

 

[NYC Rebel]

Either you and I are smarter then everyone or nikkas or intentionally avoiding the point. Gotta be the former because nikkas would never avoid a point just because they can't refute it...would they?

I just don't get it.

I responded to Charles Barkley and the rest of the clowns that claimed "Kobe quit" when facing the Suns after being up 3-1 by doing what @killerinstinct would call if done on Lebron's behalf "whining" when stating that it wasn't on Kobe that the Lakers fell short.

I also said the same thing about Lebron when he was under Mike Brown who was constantly being outcoached and outclassed by other coaches. That was considered "whining." But when Kobe fans complain about Brown for the SAME REASONS it's legit.

fukk being an unprincipled negro who suddenly finds principles based on "who you like more."

The ones who fit that bill are some selective ass negros.

 

[HendriX]

Are REALLY seriously gonna pretend like Mike Brown wasn't roundly considered a bad coach before he was even hired by the Lakers based on absolutely NOTHING but his failure to win a championship with the Cavs? Dude was openly mocked and considered a joke by NBA fans everywhere..

I agree but thats only half the story..people always respected his defense..he wasnt considered a bad coach at all..he just lacked the skills to have his teams play good offense..thats why people were shytting on him.

Those last 2 years..BRON got most of the blame, go ahead and read articles my dude..its only 2 years ago.

 

[FTBS]

You do realize you're talking about two different teams in two completely different situations right?

When Mike Brown was in Cleveland all he had was Lebron and bunch of other guys. The only times Lebron really got all the blame was in the 2010 playoffs where he just ghosted on the team. Usually Mike Brown and the lack of talent around Lebron was blamed.

Right now Mike Brown is coaching team with four top 20 players in the starting lineup. The expectations are totally different because of team he's coaching and the players on the roster.

Just like people right now are calling for Mike Brown to be fired and Pau Gasol to be traded, people were saying the same thing at the start of the 2010-2011 season about Spo and Bosh in Miami.




This year much of the early struggles are on Brown. The majority of the problems this team has right now they had last season also. Excessive turnovers due to players not being comfortable in the offensive system, bench players being out of rhythm due to shytty rotations, Kobe playing excessive minutes, general lack of respect being shown to the coach.

Last season quite a few people (myself included) were giving Brown a bit of a pass because the shortened season had to have hurt what he was trying to do, but this season he had a full training camp yet we're still seeing the same problems.

Again the Cavs situation back then was different. I really only put the 2010 playoffs on Bron, dude phoned it in during that playoff run. most of their playoff failures had to do with Brown's coaching and a lack of talent on the roster. Bron had to grow as a player also (which he's done in recent years).

Don't know why everyone seems to think I hate or have some sort of bias against Bron when I actually defend dude a good bit on this board.

We really don't differ that much. I don't think you are amongst the people the OP was aiming at. You certianly aren't amongst those I have been referencing based upon what you just said. Let's not act like there are people who have been inconsistent here though.

 

[FTBS]

I specifically SHOWED you in quotes what I was addressing and you are telling me that I'm not addressing the issue? lol I could've swore, i addressed what I had the problem with you saying

Your first post that I quoted said



How did I not respond to the "issue", when I basically said that the reason he's taking more heat is because he's under more scrutiny coaching for LA than he was in Cleveland.

What dont you understand?

that isn't the issue though and you know it. You know exactly what the issue is because you have been avoiding it the whole time. at being under more scrutiny being the difference rather than the star player involved. I'm sure you actually believe that don't you .

 

[Long Live The Kane]

I agree but thats only half the story..people always respected his defense..he wasnt considered a bad coach at all..he just lacked the skills to have his teams play good offense..thats why people were shytting on him.

shyt, he doesn't even get credit for that now....that the Cavs were the best defensive team in the league is an afterthought...and Lebron took and carried that team of complete total worthless bums to back to back 60 win seasons completely by his lonesome....by the time Mike Brown was fired in the weeks leading up to the Decision he was getting killed in the media in articles for being an incompetent pushover who Lebron didn't respect and was only kept around because he let Bron do whatever he wanted

 

[Captain Crunch]

25 yr old psycho bean with all those shooters and defense bean woulda won multiple rings while averaging close to 40 a game

You know damn well he wouldn't be passing to nobody

 

[FTBS]

Are we REALLY seriously gonna pretend like Mike Brown wasn't roundly considered a bad coach before he was even hired by the Lakers based on absolutely NOTHING but his failure to win a championship with the Cavs? Dude was openly mocked and considered a joke by NBA fans everywhere...rightly so or not...the perception that he was incompetent is not some recent development conjured up in the minds of laker fans...this "oh now the lakers are having a rough start and now all of a sudden Mike Brown is taking heat" stuff is BULLshyt ...you dudes are just flat out inventing alternate realities now

Nobody is saying that though. The issue is passing over the star player to blame the coach now when in the past this same coach was passed over in order to blame the star. That is all. Not about shytting on Kobe (for me at least) It's all about shytting on the flimsy reasoning that people use to cover their bias.