So mike brown is a reasonable scape goat for kobe but not for lebron?

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Great players have bad games from time to time..do you realize how crazy it is to carry a WHOLE FRANCHISE AND CITY by YOURSELF???..day in and day out..Bron got blamed for that game because he LEFT..salty ass Cavs fans and reporters were quick to make up stories..just to shiit on Lebrons young legacy.

They forgot that he carried them for 7 long long years..and had a HORRIBLE coach..which is what this thread is about.
 

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Great players have bad games from time to time..do you realize how crazy it is to carry a WHOLE FRANCHISE AND CITY by YOURSELF???..day in and day out..Bron got blamed for that game because he LEFT..salty ass Cavs fans and reporters were quick to make up stories..just to shiit on Lebrons young legacy.

They forgot that he carried them for 7 long long years..and had a HORRIBLE coach..which is what this thread is about.


LeBron did have to carry a whole franchise and city by himself which is crazy, but I told you, people already were on high alert, because they figured he was leaving anyways. And they didnt FORGET about the rest of the series. These columns were written AFTER Game 5 and prior to Game 6. People in Cleveland knew he quit and about the Delonte West thing before anyone else did. The Cavs were down 3-2 and columns were being written about WHY is LeBron playing so lethargic and implying that LeBron is quitting on the team. It's obvious breh. Read this:


http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2010/05/lebron_james_its_time_to_show.html

LeBron James, it's time to show the Boston Celtics what you're made of: Terry Pluto column
Published: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 12:47 PM Updated: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 6:16 PM
By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer

Dear LeBron:
You have never approached a playoff series like this.

Never have you been so uncertain on the court, so emotionally distant when you talked about all these embarrassing losses to the Boston Celtics.


You are the NBA's Most Valuable Player. You are the greatest player in the 40-year history of the Cavaliers, a true hometown hero.

But you have been playing in these Eastern Conference Semifinals as if your mind is elsewhere.

How can you take only two shots and not score a single point in the first quarter of the biggest game of the season? How can you be so passive?


How can you allow your team to lose 120-88 on your home court, as you did to Boston in Tuesday's Game 5?

Certainly, you couldn't win it yourself. But early in the game, you seemed resigned to the worst, taking only 14 shots and being outplayed and outhustled by Paul Pierce.

In the Cavs' three losses, you have attempted only 18, 15 and 14 shots.

Where is the LeBron James who went down firing in the Eastern Conference Finals last season, averaging 38 points in those six games against Orlando?

Or the LeBron James who fired up 20-25-23-24 shots in the last four games of the 2008 series against the Celtics? Or the LeBron James who scored 45 in that Game 7 loss in Boston?

Or how about the LeBron James who had a miserable ordeal in the four-game sweep by San Antonio in 2007, but still put up 16-21-23-30 shots?


In 2006, when the Cavs were eliminated 79-61 in a Game 7 at Detroit, you were 11-of-24 from the field for 27 points.

LeBron, you have always gone out with fire in your eyes, your finger on the trigger. You have been willing to take the criticism, even when you knew the
Cavs had not supplied you with much support.

This is the most talent that you've had in your seven years with the Cavs.

But so far, this is the worst series that you and your team have ever played in the postseason. The three losses have been by a total of 60 points, including being outscored by 50 points in the last two home games!

After Game 5, you strangely said: "I spoil a lot of people with my play."

LeBron, it's not just about "a bad game" or "three," as you also mentioned.

It's not about people picking on you, or failing to appreciate what you've done for the franchise. Most fans are still putting the primary blame on coach Mike Brown and the other players for the Cavs being down 3-2 in this best-of-seven series.

But it is time to realize that more is expected of you because you have been blessed with so much. It starts with pure physical gifts, and it extends to an owner willing to nearly outspend the government to stimulate a championship in Cleveland.

Study the tapes of the last four games of the Boston series. Imagine you are watching Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan or any other franchise player wearing your No. 23. What would you say about their approach to those games?

In Game 3 at Boston, who put up 10 shots in the first quarter? Granted, you were sizzling, your jumper was falling, and 21 points went up next to your name in the first quarter. But your team followed your lead, and that energy became a 124-95 victory in Boston.

But in the other three games, you appeared distracted and discouraged. It seemed your joy was gone, your passion for winning wavered.

Maybe your elbow does hurt because of the bone bruise, but you were leaning on it as you spoke to the media after Game 5. You also don't seem to have much restriction in terms of range of motion.

Listen to what you said about Paul Pierce (21 points, 11rebounds, 7 assists, 9-of-21 shooting):

"Paul came out aggressive. He did a good job of just trying to attack and just trying to get a good feeling for the game. He didn't shoot the ball particularly well from the field, but he was aggressive, he was able to get 11 rebounds."

You can do the same Thursday in Boston. You have enough talent to bring your team back from this abyss, winning the final two games of this series.

A good sign is that you said Cavs fans have reason to believe, "because they got me."

But you have to lead. You have to "work to be the best player on the court every night," as you promised at your MVP ceremony.

You say you are "a no-excuse" guy. In the past you have shown it, and now is the time to do it again.

Notice how Terry Pluto pointed out that the fans were putting the blame on Mike Clown and the other players....not LeBron James, I guess he was Teflon too:mjpls:
 

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I don't understand the point of this thread.

I thought yall Kobe haters already established the fact that Kobe wasn't the best player on his team anymore? If he's not the best player, then why would Kobe get any of the blame for the losses?

That's the shyt i don't understand. He gets all the blame for the 04 loss, but yall say he wasn't even the best player on his team then.

Like someone said, expectations in LA are different than any other organization. Lakers expect to win every year, whether they are true contenders or not. Can you say the same for your squad?:leon:
 
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LeBron did have to carry a whole franchise and city by himself which is crazy, but I told you, people already were on high alert, because they figured he was leaving anyways. And they didnt FORGET about the rest of the series. These columns were written AFTER Game 5 and prior to Game 6. People in Cleveland knew he quit and about the Delonte West thing before anyone else did. The Cavs were down 3-2 and columns were being written about WHY is LeBron playing so lethargic and implying that LeBron is quitting on the team. It's obvious breh. Read this:




Notice how Terry Pluto pointed out that the fans were putting the blame on Mike Clown and the other players....not LeBron James, I guess he was Teflon too:mjpls:

Game 5 is a Cleveland media created myth breh..Anybody in a logical state of mind knew that Lebron played bad but we didn't believe that he "threw the series" just so that he could join his friends in Miami..that's fukkin stupid. I guess he threw the 2011 NBA finals too. :mjpls:.Its also disgusting that they had to drag his mother into it after the series was done.
Shows you what kinda hoe ass niqqas he had to deal with over there.

Delonte and Bron were huggin a year later..I doubt there was such thing goin on.
 

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He gets all the blame for the 04 loss, but yall say he wasn't even the best player on his team then.

He is blamed for the 2004 loss because he took 3 times as many shots as the best player on the team.
 

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Game 5 is a Cleveland media created myth breh..Anybody in a logical state of mind knew that Lebron played bad but we didn't believe that he "threw the series" just so that he could join his friends in Miami..that's fukkin stupid. I guess he threw the 2011 NBA finals too. :mjpls:.Its also disgusting that they had to drag his mother into it after the series was done.
Shows you what kinda hoe ass niqqas he had to deal with over there.

Delonte and Bron were huggin a year later..I doubt there was such thing goin on.

I mean, we only know what's told to us at the end of the day:manny:

But at the end of the day...






























































I want Mike Clown gone:whoo:
 

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The point is that Lebron was blamed PERIOD no matter how he performed. When the lakers lose, Kobe is not getting the same treatment. .

:comeon:

Ain't you GoatPoacher :pacspit:

You're one of those pathetically obsessed psychopathic kobe hating nerds like Bilz who has dedicated literally at least a decade of your life to hating kobe and blaming him for everything imaginable whenever the slightest opportunity presents itself...and you sit here, and dare fix your fingers to type some kind of bullshyt like Kobe...one of the most divisive and criticized players ever...is somehow being absolved of blame when lakers lose

You muh'fukkas truly have no goddamned shame

:comeon:

Prior to the non-effort in that do or die franchise breaking Celtics series in '10 and subsequent Decision....forget kobe...Lebron wasn't even getting blamed or held to the same superstar standard as a lessor player like Dirk was....who caught way more hell and blame for the Mavs playoff flameouts than Bron had up until that point...there wasn't some great consensus of people crucifying Lebron for losing in the Finals to the Spurs, the entire narrative was that he was "young, ahead of schedule but just not ready yet"...when they lost to the Magic the overwhelming narrative was that he played his heart out but the team was poorly coached and overmatched...he didn't get his first real full blast taste of the big time pressure, expectation and blame game that all top superstars get until that puzzling performance against the Celtics.. this refashioning of reality into ":to: Lebron was pelted with rocks as he carried the cross all those years...while Mike Brown and Kobe Bryant were never blamed for anything...it just ain't right" is BULLshyt ....

Of all the players in the universe to pull this "he never gets blamed for anything...and Lebron gets blamed for everything" shyt with...y'all pick KOBE???? Like we ain't all been on the :hamster: or other corners on the internet watching muh'fukkas argue back and forth blaming and deriding...defending and championing...this dude for literally over a decade ...like there ain't countless writers who've made careers shytting on kobe in the press with a mountain of articles we can't see the top of...there's a whole weirdo subset of geek internet trolls solely dedicated to hating and blaming kobe bryant for everything

:stopitslime:

fukk outta here
 

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When has Kobe ever not been shytted on for something or another a single solitary season the lakers have failed to win a championship...that's a false fukking narrative...dude is one of the more consistently criticised superstars in sports history...kobe got killed this summer like he always does when the lakers lose (hell, kobe got people that hate him enough to hate and downplay him when he wins)...a steady diet of "he's washed up...age has caught up to him...he killed the lakers with turnovers in the playoffs...he's never gonna win another championship...he's not even a top 10 player in the league anymore...etc." Blame "passing over" kobe bryant is nothing you EVER have to worry about...

Besides that..."blame", in the context of losing basketball, ain't some quantifiably finite and mutually exclusive thing that either goes to one of two people...more often than not, when things go bad there's MORE than enough blame to be doled out....star players and coaches both have things they're responsible for as far as winning goes and both get criticized for different things...to that end:

Yes, Lebron was killed for that all time bizzare disappearing act in his last series with the Cavs in which they were favored to win the chip...

Yes, Mike Brown was "on the hot seat" for a great amount of the time as coach in Cleveland and it is there where his reputation as an offensively incompetent doofus of a coach entered the basketball consciousness...and has followed him to this day

Yes, Mike Brown has been looked at skeptically at best and with overt disdain often in his tenure as Lakers Head Coach

Yes, Kobe was killed the past two offseasons the lakers failed to win a championship ....and

YES Kobe will be killed by his usual dedicated crowd of detractors the moment he has first 6-24 shooting performance...or shoots a last second shot and misses (wait, he was already killed for doing that this year...IN A PRESEASON GAME :rudy)...or does any number of anything that people can latch on to, to shyt on him

And none of these things absolve the others...they can all happen independently of each other

:childplease: at y'all seriously believing that if this lakers team ultimately doesn't win a title kobe will be "skipped over" with blame....the whole shyt is ridiculous

I don't want this to become a semantic battle so let me say that yes Kobe did get criticized for the last two playoff runs. There is no way you can compare that to the Heat Bron took for his last couple years in Cleveland though. Please tell me you aren't doing that. I heard more about Pau in 11 and upcoming moves in 12 then I did about Kobe. It wasn't like Kobe was in beastmode and his team just wasn't good enough either. He disappeared in the 4th against Dallas and clanked brick after brick and made other big mistakes in the 4th against OKC. Because he has rings and plays for the glamour franchise and has a rep as a clutch closer these things were not talked about ad nasuem like Bron's L's and less than shining moments have been. No debate about that.

Mike Brown's incompetence was never the headline before. It was never the main talking point generally speaking. Sure Bron/Cavs fans talked about it but the media, and most nikkas on here weren't talking about and weren't tryna hear about it when it was brought up. Why is it so hard for people to acknowledge this? :why: The Lakers are still amongst the greatest franchises in sports history. Kobe is still amongst the greatest athletes ever. Acknowledging duplicitous bullshyt doesn't change or challenge any of that.
 

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I don't understand the point of this thread.

I thought yall Kobe haters already established the fact that Kobe wasn't the best player on his team anymore? If he's not the best player, then why would Kobe get any of the blame for the losses?

That's the shyt i don't understand. He gets all the blame for the 04 loss, but yall say he wasn't even the best player on his team then.

Like someone said, expectations in LA are different than any other organization. Lakers expect to win every year, whether they are true contenders or not. Can you say the same for your squad?:leon:

Yeah you do. I refuse to believe that any of the nikkas posting in here are that dense. nikkas know exactly what this thread is about.

What the haters said is what the haters said but that doesn't include me and some of the others in here keeping it 100. nikkas talking out of both side of their mouth against Kobe doesn't excuse, erase, or change the fact that nikkas talk outta both sides of their mouth for Kobe.


As far as 04 why or why do nikkas even bring that up? :why: If you are a fan of Kobe, the Lakers, or Shaq you should never bring that series up. You should just act like it didn't happen. Kobe's performance in that series was the just like Bron's in 11. Just replace freezing and passing the ball off with gunning and shooting fadeways over 3 nikkas. It's not the series to bring up if you are looking to speak positively on Kobe. It's like someone looking to defend Bron and bringing up the 2011 Finals...just don't. :heh:
 

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the same ones that ask for a seperate Kobe forum are the ones that be talking about Kobe the most.. go figure :skip:

Just came to say this. The last thing Laker/Kobe stans is doin is makin threads til we're above .500 but some people wanna get all upset cuz we won't give these jerks a serious argument? Kobe's situation and LeBron's situation are not at all comparable for this thread to even have gone on this long.

Meh, fukk it the war won't end til Kobe retires. Old nikkaz don't understand how long this goes back. :yeshrug:
 

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I don't want this to become a semantic battle so let me say that yes Kobe did get criticized for the last two playoff runs. .

All that needs to be said...all the rest is "bu... bu...but with Bron is it's different though" birthed out of you being more sensitive and in tune to all criticisms of bron...it's gone from "mike brown is coaching the lakers and now all of a sudden people want to say he's a bad coach and take shots at him", it being pointed out that he had been shytted on for years in cleveland and there is in fact where his entire rep as a horrible coach was birthed...to "but it's about passing over all blame for losing from the star player to the coach", it being pointed out that Kobe gets shytted on and blamed EVERY year the lakers don't win...to "but it's different though...with Lebron it was special"...pretty clear the can will be continued to be kicked down the road for infinity with endless parsing and hair splitting

So a final word...as said before, Kobe being framed as some kind of figure that's the benefactor of a lack of blame and scrutiny for losing is pure unadulterated bullshyt...and flatly ridiculous....just a flat out, all in misrepresentation of reality...dude has been a constant lightening rod of criticism and blame pretty much his entire career...he isn't some Tim Duncan type benign, benevolent superstar that's hardly ever had an ill word spoke of him...when the spurs win his greatness is hailed...when they lose, he's left to his devices to go at them again next year...muh'fukkas pretty much try to take pot shots, downplay, criticize and take Kobe a couple notches any chance they can on a game by game basis...in season, playoffs, finals, oylmpics, preseason...if kobe is out there having a bad game or losing, somebody's shytting on him...17 seasons and 5 championships deep into his career

The shyt Mike Brown is being criticized now...3 games into the goddamn season...are COACHING related issues...it's not just that they're losing...people have their doubts about the offense being ran, the substitution patterns, the line-ups being put on the floor, defensive strategies...I have my issues with a great deal of that, but think in general it's being overblown...this is a new team trying to learn how to play with each other in a new system, there will be growing pains...it's the SAME EXACT shyt that went on with Spo the first year in MIA when the headlines every week was when he would be fired and replaced with Riles coming down from the front office....turning that into some silly ass "why ain't y'all blaming Kobe for specific coaching issues :mjpls...Lebron got played for EVERYTHING in cleveland" is some ridiculous ass Lebron fanboysim that fits the "coddling" term that I throw on this behavior perfectly...if Kobe flames out in the playoffs and the lakers lose, THERE WILL BE ABSOLUTELY NO SHORTAGE OF BLAME HURLED HIS WAY...we all know this...shytting on kobe in defeat is a decade's long tradition
 

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All that needs to be said...all the rest is "bu... bu...but with Bron is it's different though" birthed out of you being more sensitive and in tune to all criticisms of bron...it's gone from "mike brown is coaching the lakers and now all of a sudden people want to say he's a bad coach and take shots at him", it being pointed out that he had been shytted on for years in cleveland and there is in fact where his entire rep as a horrible coach was birthed...to "but it's about passing over all blame for losing from the star player to the coach", it being pointed out that Kobe gets shytted on and blamed EVERY year the lakers don't win...to "but it's different though...with Lebron it was special"...pretty clear the can will be continued to be kicked down the road for infinity with endless parsing and hair splitting

So a final word...as said before, Kobe being framed as some kind of figure that's the benefactor of a lack of blame and scrutiny for losing is pure unadulterated bullshyt...and flatly ridiculous....just a flat out, all in misrepresentation of reality...dude has been a constant lightening rod of criticism and blame pretty much his entire career...he isn't some Tim Duncan type benign, benevolent superstar that's hardly ever had an ill word spoke of...when the spurs win his greatness is hailed...when they lose, he's left to his devices to go at them again next year...muh'fukkas pretty much try to take pot shots, downplay, criticize and take Kobe a couple notches any chance they can on a game by game basis...in season, playoffs, finals, oylmpics, preseason...if kobe is out there having a bad game or losing, somebody's shytting on him...17 seasons and 5 championships deep into his career

The shyt Mike Brown is being criticized now...3 games into the goddamn season...are COACHING related issues...it's not just that they're losing...people have their doubts about the offense being ran, the substitution patterns, the line-ups being put on the floor, defensive strategies...I have my issues with a great deal of that, but think in general it's being overblown...this is a new team trying to learn how to play with each other in a new system, there will be growing pains...it's the SAME EXACT shyt that went on with Spo the first year in MIA when the headlines every week was when he would be fired and replaced with Riles coming down from the front office....turning that into some silly ass "why ain't y'all blaming Kobe for specific coaching issues :mjpls...Lebron got played for EVERYTHING in cleveland" is some ridiculous ass Lebron fanboysim that fits the "coddling" term that I throw on this behavior perfectly...if Kobe flames out in the playoffs and the lakers lose, THERE WILL BE ABSOLUTELY NO SHORTAGE OF BLAME HURLED HIS WAY...we all know this...shytting on kobe in defeat is a decade's long messegeboard tradition

I call it how it is and keep in consistent. Everybody doesn't do that. My acknowledging it doesn't make me anything but real. You can call it "bu...bu..but" all you want but you as well as I know that since 09 Kobe has pretty much been teflon (once again generally speaking). It's just funny to me the lengths that nikkas will go to try to make shyt different instead of just saying "I like him more." We gonna act like Kobe hasn't been coddled by his fanboys? :what: I'm not gonna act like Kobe hasn't been criticized but to act like he doens't have loyal subjects or get certain passes based upon circumstance (winning rings early, playing for glamour franchise) is just disingenuous. It's amazing how far nikkas are going with this. :snoop:


As far was who will get blame if the Lakers dont' win it all Dwight is the most likely candidate due to his shenanigans this past year regardless of how well he actually plays. He has inherited the "Nothing you do is gonna be acceptable unless your team wins a title" mantle from Bron. If it's Kobe, please up this and I'll call it how it is.
 

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To that logic shouldn't the established guy have higher expecations than the nikka being groomed. You expect more from the headliner then you do from the opening act right?

No, Kobe already got his rings so he really doesn't have to give a shyt. He's just doing it to add more to his legacy and cause he has the hunger for more.

When you're calling a man a King yet hasn't reached the big time with a ring then the pressures on them to excel at those people's/media expectations.
 
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