So mike brown is a reasonable scape goat for kobe but not for lebron?

[Mic-Nificent]

I am talking about the same culture . The same nikkas throwing all the blame on Bron in Cleveland are the same nikkas talking about Mike Brown now. It's not a fanbase issue. It's a putting it all on the star player in one case but then putting all on the head coach when it's a star player we like issue.

Who exactly are the "same nikkas"?

Name names, don't just says "Lakers fans" or "Kobe Stans"

 

[FTBS]

That's because he's the Los Angeles Lakers head coach rather than the Cleveland Cavaliers coach.

That's why.

It's like a Forbes 100 company (Lakers) vs your local mom-pop store (Cavs)

There's more pressure that comes with being the coach of the Lakers...a successful franchise than it does when being the coach of the Cavs....a subpar franchise.

Remember how Tubby Smith got ran out of Kentucky, even though he won a national championship, went to 2 NCAA Finals, and had one of the top 3 best win pct in UK history, but yet he was STILL fired. Guess what...he left UK, went to Minnesota and he's STILL coaching the Minnesota Gophers without ever making the NCAA tournament in the 5-6 years his been there. Why? Because different standards of success are expected.

You cant realistically expect the Lakers fanbase to have the same idea of a successful season as a Cavs fan

Yup it's official you are dodging the issue and going off on a tangent.

I am talking about the same culture . The same nikkas throwing all the blame on Bron in Cleveland are the same nikkas talking about Mike Brown now. It's not a fanbase issue. It's a putting it all on the star player in one case but then putting all on the head coach when it's a star player we like issue.

 

[Newzz]

Yup it's official you are dodging the issue and going off on a tangent.

No....you ducked what I responded to first. Summarized, Why do we have to accept Mike Brown and his lack of coaching skills?


To answer your question:

Who are these "same nikkas" that you are referencing?

Who said that LeBron was the reason that the Cavs are losing, but blame Mike Brown for the Lakers losing?

 

[FTBS]

Who exactly are the "same nikkas"?

Name names, don't just says "Lakers fans" or "Kobe Stans"

Generally speaking. I didn't sit and keep track of every person who said everything so I can't give you names. I do notice trends though. Blaming Mike Brown for team failures is far more trendy on this board and in the media now than it was 3 or 4 years ago. I didn't hear shyt about how bad a coach he was back then (except of course from Bron/Cavs fans ). I heard way more comparisons of Bron and Kobe then I ever heard of Phil and Mike Brown.


Who do you blame more for the Lakers early struggles this year and struggles in general over the last year or so? Mike Brown or Kobe. Who did you blame for the Cavs falling short in Lebrons' last couple years there? Mike Brown or Bron. Honestly.

 

[FTBS]

No....you ducked what I responded to first. Summarized, Why do we have to accept Mike Brown and his lack of coaching skills?


To answer your question:

Who are these "same nikkas" that you are referencing?

Who said that LeBron was the reason that the Cavs are losing, but blame Mike Brown for the Lakers losing?

First of all at your answer to my question being a question ie not an answer.

Generally speaking. I didn't sit and keep track of every person who said everything so I can't give you names. I do notice trends though. Blaming Mike Brown for team failures is far more trendy on this board and in the media now than it was 3 or 4 years ago. I didn't hear shyt about how bad a coach he was back then (except of course from Bron/Cavs fans ). I heard way more comparisons of Bron and Kobe then I ever heard of Phil and Mike Brown.


Who do you blame more for the Lakers early struggles this year and struggles in general over the last year or so? Mike Brown or Kobe. Who did you blame for the Cavs falling short in Lebrons' last couple years there? Mike Brown or Bron. Honestly.

 

[Loose]

Kobe ain't lebron hardly anyone is he's the center of perimeter players

 

[MenacingMonk]

Lebron HAD NO rings.

Kobe HAS 5 rings.

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Lebron was being groomed.

Kobe is established.

Do you LeStans get the picture? Stop hating on GAWDY Bryant.

 

[Higher Tech]

threw the series? the nikka was out there playing 1 v 5 . he led the team in every statistical category and yall get on him for not doing more than he was already doing...

how much are u asking one man to do?!

THIS! God damn I hate when people say Bron threw that series. That man was broke down and tired!

 

[Newzz]

 

[FTBS]

Lebron HAD NO rings.

Kobe HAS 5 rings.

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Lebron was being groomed.

Kobe is established.

Do you LeStans get the picture? Stop hating on GAWDY Bryant.

To that logic shouldn't the established guy have higher expecations than the nikka being groomed. You expect more from the headliner then you do from the opening act right?

Once again that is purely based upon the logic you presented.



What do rings have to do with whether or not a player played at a high level or stepped up in the clutch or carried his team? We have seen plenty of guys, Kobe included, do so and still not win. Not bashing Kobe. I am bashing the idea that two guys can do similiar things but get totally different responses because one was fortunate enought to win rings early and the other wasn't.

 

[FTBS]

I get that. Mine wasn't though so how bout you go ahead and answer it.

 

[Newzz]

To that logic shouldn't the established guy have higher expecations than the nikka being groomed. You expect more from the headliner then you do from the opening act right?

Once again that is purely based upon the logic you presented.



What do rings have to do with whether or not a player played at a high level or stepped up in the clutch or carried his team? We have seen plenty of guys, Kobe included, do so and still not win. Not bashing Kobe. I am bashing the idea that two guys can do similiar things but get totally different responses because one was fortunate enought to win rings early and the other wasn't.

You are " Bayless"-ing his argument.

Again, no Lakers fans is saying that we want Mike Brown gone because of Kobe. We NEVER wanted him period, always believed he was a garbage coach, and do not want him as the coach of our team now, because he doesnt bring anything of value to our team.

He's not an offensive coach....he's a defensive coordinator, and with him as our coach, our defense aint really improved over Phil Jackson either (still cant stop the PnR or transition defense) and he is HORRIBLE at substitution patterns and making halftime adjustments.

How hard is that to understand? It has nothing to do with Kobe or Lebron

 

[FTBS]

You are " Bayless"-ing his argument.

Again, no Lakers fans is saying that we want Mike Brown gone because of Kobe. We NEVER wanted him period, always believed he was a garbage coach, and do not want him as the coach of our team now, because he doesnt bring anything of value to our team. He's not an offensive coach....he's a defensive coordinator, and with him as our coach, our defense aint really improved over Phil Jackson either (still cant stop the PnR or transition defense) and he is HORRIBLE at substitution patterns and making halftime adjustments.

How hard is that to understand? It has nothing to do with Kobe or Lebron

This is ing because I am not talking about any of that shyt. Never said Brown was a good coach. Never said you wanted him. Never said he helps your team. Only said that when the same was true and he was coaching Bron I didn't hear much about it from anyone other than Bron/Cavs fans. Everybody else ignored all that shyt you posted in order to shyt on Bron. Now that Kobe's in Bron's spot it's all about Mike Browns' ineptitude rather than the star player should just make the team win on his own. I am pretty sure that you got my point many posts ago but you may really be struggling and need me to break it down more so there you go.

 

[Newzz]

I get that. Mine wasn't though so how bout you go ahead and answer it.

Are you lumping in "last few years" with "early season struggles" of this year

You are trolling with your questions breh. You are Skip Bayless, because this isnt even the same question that you asked....which I ALREADY answered.

I originally quoted you saying:

The issue isnt' whether or not people recognized that Brown wasn't a good coach (outside of defense), the issue is the fact that he has taken more heat for the Lakers rough start then he ever did for the Cvas failures.

And responded to your statement that he was taken more heat with Lakers then he ever did with the Cavs with:

We are the Lakers breh...not the Cavs/Hornets/Bucks/Bobcats. We know we have a championship team and expect to have a Coach that knows how to......















you know















coach!

Mike Brown is a garbage coach, we never wanted him, and we want him gone. Same way Kentucky fans knew that fukking Billy Gillespie was garbage and wanted him gone immediately. Now, they are have John Calipari....a real coach for the program. Go Big Blue! UK 4 Life.

Fans of great franchises dont accept below average.

Then you said:

Brown has taken more heat for sucky coaching in a little over a year as Lakers coach then he ever took during what 5 years in Cleveland.

That's because he's the Los Angeles Lakers head coach rather than the Cleveland Cavaliers coach.

That's why.

It's like a Forbes 100 company (Lakers) vs your local mom-pop store (Cavs)

There's more pressure that comes with being the coach of the Lakers...a successful franchise than it does when being the coach of the Cavs....a subpar franchise.

I dont see why it even kept going further.

You're acting as if we are supposed to be as lenient as Cavs fans were with Mike Brown or blame Kobe, because Mike Brown would rather put MWP at our backup shooting guard....or play Kobe 43 minutes on a bad foot....or tell potential FAs that he wouldnt play them so dont sign with LA.

That's all breh

 

[NYC Rebel]

I've never seen a fan base with as big of a "woe is me" complex than James stans.

Uhh.....where were you when Kobe had teammates like Smush Parker?