So mike brown is a reasonable scape goat for kobe but not for lebron?

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Exactly. Selective ass niqqas. If you aren't one of them, stop defending them. It's true. These hypocrite ass niqqas DO exist.


Die hard sports fans being hypocrites.....Ya don't say :ohhh:

The same shyt could be applied to Lebron fans when he was in Cleveland. During the regular season all people would talk about was great the TEAM was and how the team was deep....Soon as they got knocked out of the playoffs the same people would say Lebron had no help.

A thread like this could be made about all sorts of shyt.
 

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the same ones that ask for a seperate Kobe forum are the ones that be talking about Kobe the most.. go figure :skip:


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Die hard sports fans being hypocrites.....Ya don't say :ohhh:

Yes. And cats seem to have a problem when pointing out the obvious because they're oblivious to it or outright deny it.

That's the part that make me go :wow: :smh:

The same shyt could be applied to Lebron fans when he was in Cleveland. During the regular season all people would talk about was great the TEAM was and how the team was deep....Soon as they got knocked out of the playoffs the same people would say Lebron had no help.

A thread like this could be made about all sorts of shyt.
And pointing out that truth means WHAT to this thread?

It somehow dismisses the point being made in this thread? :heh:

It doesn't.
 

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Anytime you read "Lebron got swept in the finals" and you don't see Mike Brown's name, they're blaming Lebron and Lebron only.

The Lakers are losing games now...and rightfully, no one is blaming Kobe and Kobe only.

:russ: this could be said for literally damn near every criticism of every player ever in the history of basketball

"anytime you read kobe shot airballs in the playoffs as a youngster vs. the jazz and not see ...[insert random coach, player, or any other non-kobe human being here]...they're blaming Kobe and Kobe only"

"anytime you see Kobe lost a 3-1 lead against the Suns in the Playoffs" and not see [insert random coach, player, or any other non-kobe human being here]"


"anytime you see David Robinson got schooled by Dream in the playoffs and not see Bob Hill's name...they're blaming The Admiral and only The Admiral"

etc. etc. etc.

You could literally point to any instance of player criticism ever and through the coach in there too if you wanted...that ain't reserved for Bron and certainly not something that Kobe has benefited from...

Mike Brown DEFINITELY got his fair share of criticism while coaching Cleveland...but he's the coach and Lebron's the star player...people didn't knock Lebron for substitution and line ups on the floor...and people didn't knock Mike Brown for Lebron not showing up for the most pivotal game in Cav team history...blame ain't mutually exclusive
 

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:russ: this could be said for literally damn near every criticism of every player ever in the history of basketball

"anytime you read kobe shot airballs in the playoffs as a youngster vs. the jazz and not see ...[insert random coach, player, or any other non-kobe human being here]...they're blaming Kobe and Kobe only"

"anytime you see Kobe lost a 3-1 lead against the Suns in the Playoffs" and not see [insert random coach, player, or any other non-kobe human being here]"


"anytime you see David Robinson got schooled by Dream in the playoffs and not see Bob Hill's name...they're blaming The Admiral and only The Admiral"

etc. etc. etc.

You could literally point to any instance of player criticism ever and through the coach in there too if you wanted...that ain't reserved for Bron and certainly not something that Kobe has benefited from...

Mike Brown DEFINITELY got his fair share of criticism while coaching Cleveland...but he's the coach and Lebron's the star player...people didn't knock Lebron for substitution and line ups on the floor...and people didn't knock Mike Brown for Lebron not showing up for the most pivotal game in Cav team history...blame ain't mutually exclusive

They aint gonna respond to this breh.....it's too potent.
 

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Game 5 is the most pivotal game in the Cavs history? How do yall come up with this nonsense? lol
They drafted an all time great player who could've taken them multiple championships...based on his lack of committal going into his free agency, that season was a do or die for them...2-2, on their home court...that game was the most pivotal game in what turned out to be the most pivotal series in the most pivotal series in Cavs history...Bron doesn't show up...they lose the game....they lose the series....he says he's spoiled him with his greatness...he rips out their still beating heart on national television a couple months later and announces he's leaving them in the wake of heartbreaking defeat to go form the superfriends in South Beach...

And they get to watch a likely top 5 All Time player play out the prime of his career in Miami instead of their team...that's the type of thing that makes or breaks franchises in the NBA...imagine if MJ skates Chicago or Timmy skates the SA before forming dynasties there...the Bulls and Spurs aren't the Bulls and Spurs anymore
 
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They drafted an all time great player who could've taken them multiple championships...based on his lack of committal going into his free agency, that season was a do or die for them...2-2, on their home court...that game was the most pivotal game in what turned out to the most pivotal series in the most pivotal series in Cavs history...Bron doesn't show up...they lose the game....they lose the season....he rips out their still beating heart on national television a couple months later and announces he's leaving them in the wake of heartbreaking defeat to go form the superfriends in South Beach...
:ohhh:

This is some Shakespeare hamlet shiit breh..I didnt realize one basketball game could have such an influence on humankind. :to:

I was disappointed too..but all I seen was 1 player failing to beat a great complete team.

Your whole post is exactly why the thread starter made this thread..only bron could get criticized like that..which shows the disgusting hypocrisy going on.
 
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Game 5 is the most pivotal game in the Cavs history? How do yall come up with this nonsense? lol

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CELTICS 120, CLEVELAND 88
Cleveland Boos James as Celtics Dominate
By HOWARD BECK
Published: May 11, 2010


CLEVELAND — If this was goodbye, it lacked any sentiment, affinity or warmth. If LeBron James is destined to leave the Cleveland Cavaliers, he will have departed in a fog of disappointment, to a shocking chorus of boos.

James could not score much Tuesday night, or penetrate the heart of a disciplined Boston Celtics defense. For one of the few times in a storied seven-year career, he could not save the Cavaliers or lift his hometown or steady himself.

The Cavaliers were humiliated on their home court, in a 120-88 rout, and are now one defeat away from playoff elimination and an anxious offseason. James is expected to opt out of his contract and become a free agent on July 1. The Knicks, the Nets and others are lining up to woo him.

James has guarded his intentions, but it is generally assumed that an early playoff exit can only push him toward the door. He is precariously close
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The Celtics hold a 3-2 lead in this second-round series and can close it out Thursday night in Boston. If they do, it could mean that James has played his last home game in a Cavaliers jersey.

“Didn’t even think about that,” James said flatly. “I feel like Game 6 is a huge game for us.” He added, “Me sitting here saying it’s potentially our last game here this season, it wouldn’t be me, it wouldn’t be our team.”

A Cavaliers victory in Game 6 would bring the series back to Quicken Loans Arena for Game 7 on Sunday. They have already won at the TD Garden, in a Game 3 rout. That seems like a long time ago, and another team.

The Celtics have won the last two games handily, by crowding the lane and holding James in check. They are also enjoying a renaissance by their veteran core.

Ray Allen tortured the Cavaliers with quick-release 3-pointers, scoring 25 points. Kevin Garnett had 18 points and 6 rebounds. And Paul Pierce, who meandered through the first four games, at last found a rhythm, finishing with 21 points, 11 rebounds and 7 assists while checking James throughout. The game was never close in the second half.

The Cavaliers shot just 41 percent from the field Tuesday. Only Shaquille O’Neal, who had a team-high 21 points, had any sustained success.

“Our backs are against the wall now,” O’Neal said. “We just got to win two in a row.”

If this was James’s farewell, it was memorable for all the wrong reasons. He scored just 15 points, the fourth lowest total of his playoff career. He missed his first seven shots and finished 3 for 14 from the field. He had 7 assists but never really got his teammates rolling, despite his considerable playmaking gifts.

It again raised doubts about the health of James’s right elbow, but he would not admit any problems. He smirked the first time he was asked and talked around it the next two times it came up. He credited the Celtics’ defense and said he simply missed open shots.

“I’m not an excuse guy,” James said. “The fact that I spoil a lot of people with my play, you have a bad game here or there, you have three bad games in a seven-year career, it’s easy to point that out.”

He added: “I put a lot of pressure on myself to be out there and try to be great, be the best player on the court. And when I’m not, then I feel bad for myself, because I’m not going out there and doing the things that I know I can do.”

The crowd booed repeatedly as the Celtics’ lead ballooned from 10 points to 20 in the third quarter. It booed every desperate misfire by James and Mo Williams, and every defensive lapse, as Allen buried the Cavaliers with 3-pointers.

Fans started toward the exits with 8 minutes 16 seconds left in the game, the Celtics leading by 92-68. Those who stayed booed again at the final buzzer. James flipped his white headband into the crowd as he walked through the home team’s tunnel. He did not look up.

It was another testy game. Williams and Rajon Rondo jawed at each other and drew technical fouls in the final minutes. O’Neal and Kendrick Perkins got double-technicals after facing off in the second quarter.

The game was played amid renewed speculation that James is ready to leave the Cavaliers, the only team he has known. It was sparked by comments from the author Buzz Bissinger, who wrote a book with James last year.

“I am not privy to any special information, but my gut tells me he will leave the Cavaliers whether they win the N.B.A. championship or not,” Bissinger told HoopsAddict.com. “He has aspirations beyond basketball. He wants to be a billion-dollar athlete. He likes challenges and bright lights.”

Bissinger said he thought James would join the Knicks, “if they get the right supporting cast,” but he called that “a big if.”

The speculation will only grow louder as the exit door gets closer.

A version of this article appeared in print on May 12, 2010, on page B13 of the New York edition.

How does that NOT sound like the biggest in Cavs franchise history? They were tied 2-2. Everybody here already knew that LeBron wanted to win a ring and if he didnt, he would be leaning towards leaving Cleveland. Before the game, he found out that West was banging his moms and went out and played horribly. After the game, wknr 850 was flooded with "doomsday" calls and it was talked about how LeBron quit so that he would have a way out......this was all before game 6 was plkayed and it was widely thought in Cleveland that the Cavs were gonna lose the series now because LeBron wants to leave

How is history being rewritten so quickly? It was 2 years ago:mindblown:
 
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How does that NOT sound like the biggest in Cavs franchise history? They were tied 2-2. Everybody here already knew that LeBron wanted to win a ring and if he didnt, he would be leaning towards leaving Cleveland. Before the game, he found out that West was banging his moms and went out and played horribly. After the game, wknr 850 was flooded with "doomsday" calls and it was talked about how LeBron quit so that he would have a way out......this was all before game 6 was plkayed and it was widely thought in Cleveland that the Cavs were gonna lose the series now because LeBron wants to leave

How is history being rewritten so quickly? It was 2 years ago:mindblown:

Thats the point of this thread breh lol..Nobody was talking about how Mike Brown's lack of coaching skils cost the cavs that series.

Its was all on Lebron..:sitdown: 1 man
 

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This is some Shakespeare hamlet shiit breh..I didnt realize one basketball game could have such an influence on humankind. :to:

I was disappointed too..but all I seen was 1 player failing to beat a great complete team.

Your whole post is exactly why the thread starter made this thread..only bron could get criticized like that..which shows the disgusting hypocrisy going on.

You're not a Cleveland Cavs fan breh and you dont live here, so you dont know how the city felt after that.

How Long Live explained it is EXACTLY right.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Thoughts following the Cavs 120-88 loss to the Boston Celtics:

* There is no one reason the Cavs are in a 3-2 hole to the Celtics after what probably was the worst performance -- considering the stakes -- in the 40-year history of the franchise.

But there are signs that some of the culprits are deeper and that they are decaying the team that won 61 games and assembled a rock-solid postseason resume after an impressive six-month season.

Let's start with coach Mike Brown, since that is where many of the fans have started. There are several players who are upset with him and how he's handled his rotations during the playoffs, sticking guys in and yanking them out of the lineups.

This came to a bit of a head after Game 4 in Boston, where Shaquille O'Neal was upset that he didn't come back into the game after leaving early in the fourth quarter.

He's also been moving around playing time for Zydrunas Ilgauskas and changing roles of bench players and even starters. During the playoffs, Anthony Parker has played as little as 19 minutes and as many as 42. O'Neal as few as 15 and as many as 28. The players haven't been fully comfortable with those role adjustments,

Ultimately it goes back to the fact that the Cavs didn't have a complete team until the first game of the playoffs. The return of O'Neal forced one odd man out and it destabilized the rotation. The pressure of the playoffs already causes enough back-and-forth and adjustments, but coming into the playoffs blind has taken Brown out of a comfort level and it has carried over to the players.

After nearly a month of it, tempers have flared. There were a number of angry players Sunday in Boston. They were displacing their frustration over the loss on the coach and not on the lacking effort they clearly put forth.

Also, Brown seems to be searching during games without any real plan of what to do. The players can sense this and it undermines him to a certain degree. Very rarely during the playoffs have the Cavs made in-game adjustments that have provided fruit. In between games with practices and film sessions, yes. But not within the game. When the Cavs look like they are going to lose in the first quarter, usually they have lost.

This is either because Brown isn't making proper adjustments or that the team is not executing those commands. Either way, it is a sign of trouble.

Beyond Brown, however, there are other responsibilities. It lies with the captains and that means LeBron James. While he will be the first to tell you that he's a leader and you can see that his teammates are fully invested in that situation, he has not seemed to act like one during much during this series.

First off, he's undermined his coach by acting lax after losses when Brown has been sounding alarm bells.
It is James' personality not to be too worried about anything and it was not expected that he'd be throwing people into lockers and such. But his "we'll get 'em next game" philosophy has clearly backfired.

With the exception of Game 3, despite all the handshakes and nonsense, the Cavs have been knocked on their heels in every game.

It has further become problematic that James has been disengaged during the games. Not only has he fallen into the trap of "letting the game come to him," but he's been increasingly distant. In huddles he's looking at the ceiling or into the distance. It is not the James anyone on the team knows and his teammates and coaches have seen it. More problematic, they can't explain it and that is making the entire locker room uneasy.

On Tuesday it was Zydrunas Ilgauskas and O'Neal that actually were more proactive. They were showing more leadership than James both on the floor and off the floor.

There were two skirmishes on the court. One was with Kendrick Perkins and O'Neal and the other was with Mo Williams and Rajon Rondo. James showed no such fire and then didn't get get involved in the exchanges, staying off to the side.


Whatever James says in the locker room behind the scenes stays there. In the past, it has been quite obvious that James has a huge role in everything that happens. Perhaps that is still the case. But the way his teammates are playing they have either tuned him out or he's not showing the same fire as he regularly did during the season,

All of this is magnified because right now the Celtics have excellent chemisty. They are playing like the team that is tighter and has more confidence and more stars. That is only making the issues more glaring.
And there's very little time to figure this all out.

Cavs' sudden tailspin indicates team chemistry problems: Windhorst Beat Blog | cleveland.com

Again...stakes were HIGH for that Game 5.


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Thats the point of this thread breh lol..Nobody was talking about how Mike Brown's lack of coaching skils cost the cavs that series.

Its was all on Lebron.. 1 man

And funny that the criticism about Mike Clown is the SAME that us Lakers fans are talking about. Bad sub rotations/no in-game adjustments:scusthov:

That kills yall theory that no one was talking about Mike Brown:heh:

I told yall man, yall be arguing without knowledge of the situation alot of the time. I know what was said about Mike Clown because I'm here. I personally heard it, read it, argued it.
 

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:russ: this could be said for literally damn near every criticism of every player ever in the history of basketball

"anytime you read kobe shot airballs in the playoffs as a youngster vs. the jazz and not see ...[insert random coach, player, or any other non-kobe human being here]...they're blaming Kobe and Kobe only"

"anytime you see Kobe lost a 3-1 lead against the Suns in the Playoffs" and not see [insert random coach, player, or any other non-kobe human being here]"


"anytime you see David Robinson got schooled by Dream in the playoffs and not see Bob Hill's name...they're blaming The Admiral and only The Admiral"

etc. etc. etc.

You could literally point to any instance of player criticism ever and through the coach in there too if you wanted...that ain't reserved for Bron and certainly not something that Kobe has benefited from...

Mike Brown DEFINITELY got his fair share of criticism while coaching Cleveland...but he's the coach and Lebron's the star player...people didn't knock Lebron for substitution and line ups on the floor...and people didn't knock Mike Brown for Lebron not showing up for the most pivotal game in Cav team history...blame ain't mutually exclusive

False Equivalence. Forced Equivalence.

Focus on your last paragraph. Isn't that the very point? The point is not that Lebron was not blamed for the substitutions. The point is that Lebron was blamed PERIOD no matter how he performed. When the lakers lose, Kobe is not getting the same treatment.

It's been a constant story. If kobe loses it's always, "Blame Pau" "Blame Odumb" "Blame Canada".

THe other side of the story remains this: IF Mike Brown is such a bad coach, how did the Cavs do as well as they did? The lakers have more talent than any of those cavs teams. THey had more talent last year in the playoffs than any of the Lebron Cavs teams.
 
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You're not a Cleveland Cavs fan breh and you dont live here, so you dont know how the city felt after that.

How Long Live explained it is EXACTLY right.



Again...stakes were HIGH for that Game 5.

Game 6 was a do or die game..Id like to think that game was a more important one..and he had a triple double in that one, close to 20 rebounds.. but since Bron had a shytty ass game in game 5..the media and the fans decided to focus on that shyt..and forget the rest of the series.

You tell me why..since you live there
 
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