steph_harden
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I think you need a good shooter alongside Bron…Tobias doesn’t space the floor well enough. He’s nice but the Lakers def need dudes who can shoot 3s next season..
So if the 76ers get taken out by the HAWKS who do you want for your squad?
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I think you need a good shooter alongside Bron…Tobias doesn’t space the floor well enough. He’s nice but the Lakers def need dudes who can shoot 3s next season..
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Nah man, I think 76ers come up on that deal already. A young Haliburton who was first team Rookie and a SF that fits well with your team.
Ya'll could play 4 out with Embiid in the paint
Flipside Simmons doesn't make the Kings better except for the fact they are already worst than most. It really only works because the Kings might appreciate being able to build around Ben if Fox leaves.
He's a better shooter than anyone on the Lakers currently.
Voice of Reason
Veteran
This is my thinking. I would kept Halliburton and build around Ben. Trading Fox makes both teams better in my opinion.
Heild and Fox for Ben and Thybulle
steph_harden
Superstar
Yea but would want him at his price? That dude makes the max but he’s not even Kris Middleton..
Captain Crunch
Veteran
Harris to the Knicks for both of the Knicks 2021 first rounders and Obi.
The Knicks do this because they need someone who can score a bit, there's no stars to get in FA this year or next, and Thibs don't fukk w/ rookies so their first rounders this year or useless.
The Sixers do this, because they actually clear $30 mil in cap, can use that $ to sign Lonzo; Conley, or Lowry.
The Knicks do this because they need someone who can score a bit, there's no stars to get in FA this year or next, and Thibs don't fukk w/ rookies so their first rounders this year or useless.
The Sixers do this, because they actually clear $30 mil in cap, can use that $ to sign Lonzo; Conley, or Lowry.
Jimmy didnt like brett brown
Most stars don’t wanna play for Thibs after seeing how he’s still playing 32 year old Derrick Rose 40+ minutes in a game.
That was always the thing about him, remember. He runs his star players into the ground playing too much.
Some like and can take it (Jimmy Butler, Derrick Rose) and some don’t (Towns, struggle plate, etc). Manny still blame him for Joakim Noah’s demise. Too bad while Jimmy likes that shyt but they couldn’t get along
Embiid may want out despite what PHI management says or does. Remember her hinted at wanting to go to Miami last year in his back and forth with Jimmy Butler on Twitter
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The issue with Simmons is that he is only a great fit with a center like Al Horford, he has a tremendous off ball scorer around him at PG who's really the #1 option like Steph. He's deployed offensively as a 5. Everyone is a stretch big around him or shooter.
The ideal Ben Simmons roster looks like this
Steph
Seth
Simmons
JC
Atlanta Horford
This is obviously extremely hard to build if even possible at all.
Simmons is an exceptional defender and talented but extremely flawed offensive player. He's an extremely difficult fit for 99% of rosters. He's honestly like Draymond but even a harder fit on a contender than Dray due to his flaws.
Him and Giannis are hard to built a contender around in my opinion but Simmons is much much more difficult to build around then even Giannis. Both would have benefited from the 90s rules where you can't sit on a zone scheme and schemes were far less complex. They have elite traits but so much of it is open court related in a game that's now half court based to an extreme degree.
The ideal Ben Simmons roster looks like this
Steph
Seth
Simmons
JC
Atlanta Horford
This is obviously extremely hard to build if even possible at all.
Simmons is an exceptional defender and talented but extremely flawed offensive player. He's an extremely difficult fit for 99% of rosters. He's honestly like Draymond but even a harder fit on a contender than Dray due to his flaws.
Him and Giannis are hard to built a contender around in my opinion but Simmons is much much more difficult to build around then even Giannis. Both would have benefited from the 90s rules where you can't sit on a zone scheme and schemes were far less complex. They have elite traits but so much of it is open court related in a game that's now half court based to an extreme degree.
This is actually not bad at all.Honestly the best trade I could see
Philly: Tyrese Haliburton, and Harrison Barnes
Kings: Ben Simmons
Philly gets a solid SF in Barnes who can start and knows his role and can shoot and defend plus a potential really good player in Haliburton
Haliburton
Green
Barnes
Harris
Embiid
Seth Curry off the bench
Kings get Simmons who can play PF for them, is under a long term deal so he can’t run, and they can go and draft a SF like Kispert to add shooting.
Holmes
Simmons
Kispert
Hield
Fox
Yeah that is a flawed roster with Fox and Simmons because they both need the ball but Simmons is under a 5 year contract and hield and Kispert will put shooting around them. They can run, and if Fox asks to leave they aren’t fukked up cause they got Simmons on a 5 year contract.
Honestly that long contract is a feature for the kings
That said Simmons isn't a fit in Sacramento and Haliburton is and he's locked in for 4 more years but RFA status. Not sure this appeals to Sacramento as much as it appeals to NBA casuals.
This works a lot better for Sacramento although Philly not trading Matisse at all.
If I am Sacramento, I'll rather keep Hield and trade Barnes if i am landing Simmons.
Haliburton
Hield
Simmons
Isn't bad but Bagley is not a fit with Simmons at all.
I can see money wise
Fox for Simmons flat
Trade Barnes to OKC for Horford
Bagley doesn't fit with Simmons but there isn't anything of value you will get for Bagley so you try it and if it fails, its fails.
Both teams get better from this deal but I don't know if it puts either team over the top of where they are at today like a Lillard trade but Portland isn't going to want someone like Simmons.
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Thats a lie... They didn't want him enough to give him the extended year max or to get rid of Brett brown
I see Simmons and Trae Young as similar. Both are extremely talented players with severe flaws. The difference is, it's a lot easier to win in the regular season with Ben Simmons than Trae Young but it's a lot easier in the playoffs with Trae Young than Ben Simmons. Why?
Simmons has less flaws than Trae and he's an once in a generation defender who is a decent offensive player due to his once in a generation open court game. But Simmons being an awful half court player in the playoffs where half court ball is king is problematic for Simmons.
Trae on the other hand is very difficult to win regular season games with because his offense isn't always consistent and even though he is always an elite half court player, his open court game can be average and his defense in the regular season is usually pretty fukking bad. That said, he's an exceptional scorer and passer and when Nate took over and changed the pace, Trae became a much better floor general on a consistent basis.
As the playoffs are here, Trae half court game is magnified as he becomes a more focused player and he can focus on one team and their flaws. With an elite half court player like Trae who's probably one of the best in the NBA if not the best in the half court, he impossible to deal with in this setting and he puts extreme pressure on a defense no matter how good it is. Defensively, because coaches can focus on one team, it's easier to plan Trae defensively and he's far more locked in to the scheme in the playoffs than the regular season as everyone is in general.
So overall, I think Simmons is underrated and a top 10-15 NBA player but he's never going to be a great or even very good playoff player. He's always going to be good at best no matter what even if you build a team around his flaws which Philly hasn't but has tried.
Trae will likely never be a true MVP candidate in the regular season unless they rig it but he will always be a playoff superstar and a playoff nightmare for any opponent because he puts more pressure than any player at his age can put offensively due to his half court prowess.
Both Trae and Luka are built for the playoffs. I just think Trae being a sharp floor general when he's generally inconsistent at it in the regular season makes a massive difference. I've always said, what makes Trae so great offensively in general is his ability to get to spots and be able to kill you with multiple options at all times. It's something that's extremely difficult to plan for because you can do everything right and still end up wrong.
Simmons has less flaws than Trae and he's an once in a generation defender who is a decent offensive player due to his once in a generation open court game. But Simmons being an awful half court player in the playoffs where half court ball is king is problematic for Simmons.
Trae on the other hand is very difficult to win regular season games with because his offense isn't always consistent and even though he is always an elite half court player, his open court game can be average and his defense in the regular season is usually pretty fukking bad. That said, he's an exceptional scorer and passer and when Nate took over and changed the pace, Trae became a much better floor general on a consistent basis.
As the playoffs are here, Trae half court game is magnified as he becomes a more focused player and he can focus on one team and their flaws. With an elite half court player like Trae who's probably one of the best in the NBA if not the best in the half court, he impossible to deal with in this setting and he puts extreme pressure on a defense no matter how good it is. Defensively, because coaches can focus on one team, it's easier to plan Trae defensively and he's far more locked in to the scheme in the playoffs than the regular season as everyone is in general.
So overall, I think Simmons is underrated and a top 10-15 NBA player but he's never going to be a great or even very good playoff player. He's always going to be good at best no matter what even if you build a team around his flaws which Philly hasn't but has tried.
Trae will likely never be a true MVP candidate in the regular season unless they rig it but he will always be a playoff superstar and a playoff nightmare for any opponent because he puts more pressure than any player at his age can put offensively due to his half court prowess.
Both Trae and Luka are built for the playoffs. I just think Trae being a sharp floor general when he's generally inconsistent at it in the regular season makes a massive difference. I've always said, what makes Trae so great offensively in general is his ability to get to spots and be able to kill you with multiple options at all times. It's something that's extremely difficult to plan for because you can do everything right and still end up wrong.
Captain Crunch
Veteran
This is disrespectful to Trae.
Put Trae on the Sixers, and they win the same amount of games in the reg season. Biid just had a MVP season in spite of having a PG that can't shoot. Yeah Trae and Seth would get roasted on defense, but that offense would overcome it.
No.
Jimmy wanted out because he felt their management team lacked leadership and also lacked direction. I think his exact words were " the problem was I got to a point and asked who's in charge here and everyone said Noone really. Everyone kinda does their own thing. That's when I said I'm outta here"
Something to that effect. Look it up
Edit: Found it @MAGARussiaLGBT Crunch
Heat's Jimmy Butler Rips 76ers: 'I Didn't Know Who the F--k Was in Charge'
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