So if the 76ers get taken out by the HAWKS who do you want for your squad?

[Left.A1]

No.

Jimmy wanted out because he felt their management team lacked leadership and also lacked direction. I think his exact words were " the problem was I got to a point and asked who's in charge here and everyone said Noone really. Everyone kinda does their own thing. That's when I said I'm outta here"

Something to that effect. Look it up

Edit: Found it @MAGARussiaLGBT Crunch

Heat's Jimmy Butler Rips 76ers: 'I Didn't Know Who the F--k Was in Charge'

Report: 76ers didn't offer Jimmy Butler five-year max contract once free agency opened - ProBasketballTalk | NBC Sports

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Source: Jimmy Butler would have stayed for a max, Sixers uninterested

Report: Philadelphia 76ers Never Offered Jimmy Butler 5-Year Max Deal - Heat Nation

On June 30, there was no five-year maximum offer for Butler, multiple sources say,” Lowe wrote. “Perhaps the Sixers pivoted after learning of Horford’s interest in joining. Perhaps they were concerned about tension between Butler and some within the team, including on the coaching staff. Maybe those two things were interrelated. Like every team chasing Butler, they probably wondered how he would age.”

- Zach Lowe

Jimmy Butler Rumors: 76ers Were Prepared to Offer Max Contract Under Stipulation

This is as close as they got but still never offered him the in stipulated five year max...Like I said they didn't want to offer him ALL 5 Years guaranteed.. And They didn't want to give Brett Brown the boot because he was actually a member of their front office at the time... that's what you're commenting on ..its documented bruh... You can believe whatever you want tho...but I don't have to make up no false stories brutha

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Still nobody wants to talk about how overrated Doc is?

 

[threattonature]

I see Simmons and Trae Young as similar. Both are extremely talented players with severe flaws. The difference is, it's a lot easier to win in the regular season with Ben Simmons than Trae Young but it's a lot easier in the playoffs with Trae Young than Ben Simmons. Why?

Simmons has less flaws than Trae and he's an once in a generation defender who is a decent offensive player due to his once in a generation open court game. But Simmons being an awful half court player in the playoffs where half court ball is king is problematic for Simmons.

Trae on the other hand is very difficult to win regular season games with because his offense isn't always consistent and even though he is always an elite half court player, his open court game can be average and his defense in the regular season is usually pretty fukking bad. That said, he's an exceptional scorer and passer and when Nate took over and changed the pace, Trae became a much better floor general on a consistent basis.

As the playoffs are here, Trae half court game is magnified as he becomes a more focused player and he can focus on one team and their flaws. With an elite half court player like Trae who's probably one of the best in the NBA if not the best in the half court, he impossible to deal with in this setting and he puts extreme pressure on a defense no matter how good it is. Defensively, because coaches can focus on one team, it's easier to plan Trae defensively and he's far more locked in to the scheme in the playoffs than the regular season as everyone is in general.

So overall, I think Simmons is underrated and a top 10-15 NBA player but he's never going to be a great or even very good playoff player. He's always going to be good at best no matter what even if you build a team around his flaws which Philly hasn't but has tried.

Trae will likely never be a true MVP candidate in the regular season unless they rig it but he will always be a playoff superstar and a playoff nightmare for any opponent because he puts more pressure than any player at his age can put offensively due to his half court prowess.

Both Trae and Luka are built for the playoffs. I just think Trae being a sharp floor general when he's generally inconsistent at it in the regular season makes a massive difference. I've always said, what makes Trae so great offensively in general is his ability to get to spots and be able to kill you with multiple options at all times. It's something that's extremely difficult to plan for because you can do everything right and still end up wrong.

Who is Simmons better than out of:
Lebron
Jokic
Embiid
Giannis
Harden
Durant
Steph
Dame
Kyrie
CP3
Kawhi
AD
Luka
Zion
Butler
Tatum
Beal
Booker
Donovan
Randle
Gobert
Westbrook
Jaylen
George
Town
Bam
Trae


There are more players I'd take over Simmons but that is 25+ players I'd rather start a team with before him. How do you have him as a top 10-15 player?

 

[#1 pick]

This is disrespectful to Trae.
Put Trae on the Sixers, and they win the same amount of games in the reg season. Biid just had a MVP season in spite of having a PG that can't shoot. Yeah Trae and Seth would get roasted on defense, but that offense would overcome it.

I watched all of Trae's games and have recordings of all his games in his career. More than anyone, I strongly feel I have a tremendous feel of what he is. That said, I think you are underrating Ben in the regular season a lot. There is a lot of value to open court play in the regular season that is neutralized in the playoffs in the modern NBA.

Ben helped Biid in the RS. Ben can help anyone in the RS. He's an excellent RS player. Borderline elite and an obvious star. I watched every game in Trae's career and many, multiple times. Ben's been clearly a better player in the RS than Trae every season thus far. Trae's ability to elevate his game in the playoffs is looking like Reggie Miller's where he's maybe three to four tiers better. It's clear, Embiid and Durant are better players this playoff than Trae but Trae is better offensively than everyone in these playoffs. His offensive impact is out of this world. Mainly because he always has the ball and without it, eyes are locked on him and his gravity is massive as well. He's the fastest and most beautiful Ferrari in a car show. He's not elite for the bumper to bumper traffic which is the regular season but in a showroom or in a high end performance test, what's better?

Who is Simmons better than out of:
Lebron
Jokic
Embiid
Giannis
Harden
Durant
Steph
Kawhi
AD
Luka

Simmons

Dame
Kyrie
CP3
Zion
Tatum
Trae
Beal
Booker
Donovan
Butler
Randle
Gobert
Westbrook
Jaylen
George
Towns
Bam


There are more players I'd take over Simmons but that is 25+ players I'd rather start a team with before him. How do you have him as a top 10-15 player?

I'll take the top 10 over Simmons in the regular season but not the others. In the playoffs, I'll take a lot of players over Simmons in the playoffs. Even a lot of role players. I think people tend to see post season Simmons and forget how good regular season Ben Simmons is. I haven't.

I really think Ben is underrated but I understand, he's not very good in the playoffs and for a star like him, it's not acceptable and it highlights his flaws of fundamentals. Draymond can't shoot either but he's one of the ATG half court players in NBA history impact wise in the playoffs. Why? He does the small things at elite levels. Screening. Knowing where to be so the defense can't expose his flaws. Movement. Knowing where everyone including himself is suppose to be. He has an elite feel for the game when it matters. He just is a master of the game of Basketball.

While Ben is mentally all over the place offensively in the half court at times. If you close down the driving lanes, he becomes extremely reserved. He makes himself an easy target. He has no touch which is his biggest issue. So while both Green and Simmons can't shoot, they have massively different outcomes in playoffs situations.

 

[intruder]

Report: 76ers didn't offer Jimmy Butler five-year max contract once free agency opened - ProBasketballTalk | NBC Sports

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Source: Jimmy Butler would have stayed for a max, Sixers uninterested

Report: Philadelphia 76ers Never Offered Jimmy Butler 5-Year Max Deal - Heat Nation

- Zach Lowe

Jimmy Butler Rumors: 76ers Were Prepared to Offer Max Contract Under Stipulation

This is as close as they got but still never offered him the in stipulated five year max...Like I said they didn't want to offer him ALL 5 Years guaranteed.. And They didn't want to give Brett Brown the boot because he was actually a member of their front office at the time... that's what you're commenting on ..its documented bruh... You can believe whatever you want tho...but I don't have to make up no false stories brutha

Either way we're hearing two sides to a story. The truth is somewher ein there. I dont recall him getting the 5th year with the sign and trade to Miami either. Once he said he wanted to go to Miami the contract the Sixers signed him to was essentially a contract miami dictated the terms of and again.. 3 years guaranteed and the 4th being a player option

 

[Left.A1]

Either way we're hearing two sides to a story. The truth is somewher ein there. I dont recall him getting the 5th year with the sign and trade to Miami either. Once he said he wanted to go to Miami the contract the Sixers signed him to was essentially a contract miami dictated the terms of and again.. 3 years guaranteed and the 4th being a player option

Per CBA rules you can't get a 5th year on a sign and trade deal...the 5th year option is exclusion reserved for the “home team” brutha..

It seems pretty clear here that once Jimmy saw that even after he helped anchor that team to success in the playoffs they still had “concerns” over paying him he was turned off and started taking other offers more serious... Then they tried to force him to not negotiate with other team's and that was that...

Bottom line tho is that the Heat didn't have cap space to sign Jimmy outright and only acquired him with through the Sixers being willing to facilitate a S&T deal with them... Now does that kind of behavior logically sound like what a team who actually wanted to keep a player would do... Certainly doesn't to me

 

[idonttouchgrass]

Wiggins and #14 for Ben

Fukk space

 

[ISO]

Simmons for McCollum makes sense for both sides.

 

[intruder]

Per CBA rules you can't get a 5th year on a sign and trade deal...the 5th year option is exclusion reserved for the “home team” brutha..

It seems pretty clear here that once Jimmy saw that even after he helped anchor that team to success in the playoffs they still had “concerns” over paying him he was turned off and started taking other offers more serious... Then they tried to force him to not negotiate with other team's and that was that...

Bottom line tho is that the Heat didn't have cap space to sign Jimmy outright and only acquired him with through the Sixers being willing to facilitate a S&T deal with them... Now does that kind of behavior logically sound like what a team who actually wanted to keep a player would do... Certainly doesn't to me

The sixers are a business. They knew Jimmy didnt wanna be there. Why be sour and let him walk when they could get something in return and the Heat was desperate to make a deal?

 

[Left.A1]

The sixers are a business. They knew Jimmy didnt wanna be there. Why be sour and let him walk when they could get something in return and the Heat was desperate to make a deal?

Why let him walk when he would have resigned if you actually offered a full max

 

[intruder]

Embiid to Miami!

 

[calh45]

Simmons for McCollum makes sense for both sides.

Not really for Portland if it's a straight up trade. Philly may need to throw in a pick and maybe another player now to get CJ.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

Seth Curry

 

[ISO]

Not really for Portland if it's a straight up trade. Philly may need to throw in a pick and maybe another player now to get CJ.

Nah, man Ben would go to Portland and become a 4. He would fix a lot of their defensive issues.

Ben is flawed as shyt but he’s still a very good player.

 

[Ohene]

Ben Simmons for Bruno Fernando and a top 50-protected 2nd