Sanctuary Cities.. i dont get it

[The Fukin Prophecy]

I know the face of the demonized Mexican immigrants is what the GOP uses, but immigrants are from, shockingly, many places. San Diego has populations of Jamaican, whom I know personally, and Hatian immigrants, to name two. I loathe the argument about "just doing it the right way", and "My grandma came her legally, why can't they"? Many, many of these people are fleeing extremely horrific situations, that most people, including their biggest detractors cannot even imagine. Coal jobs are lost, heroin addiction rampant, people fleeing places in Mexico, Central America, Jamaica, are fleeing third world conditions, and often extreme violence. They almost always use their last to make it to a border city, and then cross illegally, if that is the case. The process for a visa can be years. It's simply not the most practical solution. These are people trying to survive on a very, very bad hand. Read about Hatians in Tijuana.

Immigrants granted asylum or refugee status should recieve government assistance...These people are fleeing extreme life and death circumstances and should be taken care of...

The main issue with immigration in this country isn't those people though, its how we treat economic migrants...Economic migrants here illegally should not be receiving any government assistance outside of legal counsel...

That doesn't mean they should be deported, I have no issues with people living here that want to work and support themselves...I am 100% against deporting someone like the guy in Indiana who had his own business and clealry able to support himself...People like that man deserve a path to citizenship, not a boot out the door...

It's the economic migrant that comes here expecting a hand out and a job that I have a problem with...If you claim you're here to work its on you to find a job and support yourself...The US government and the American tax payer is not responsible for your well-being...If you can't support yourself then deportation is the only option because what other option is there that doesn't involve you sleeping on the street or engaging in illegal activities?

I don't think I am being outlandish here...Outlandish is expecting the US government and the tax payer to take care of everyone that wants to come here...We have too many problems at home to operate like a fukking charity for the world...

This issue has really gotten out of hand due to illogical extremists on both sides of the argument...Liberals want to take everybody in and conservatives want to deport everyone who isn't a white christian...smh

 

[DEAD7]

Dems appear hopelessly out of touch on immigration
They continue to spew lofty rhetoric about "compassion" and "being a decent human being" while losing the house, the senate and the white house(to Trump no less). At what point does the left consider the fact that the nation just isnt on board with its idea of righteousness?
Or are they ideologically constrained to keep pushing for the necessity of illegal immigrants and amnesty?










Politics...

 

[DEAD7]

Maybe I'm exaggerating but who the hell wants to pay 6 bucks a apple?

Paying actual market prices for goods... the horror
Thats said, no one wants to see the collapse of American Ag, and the govt. would never let it occur.

 

[DEAD7]

Being decent means caring about everyone. You obviously don't

Those on the left crack me up

 

[General Mills]

There's some very real life effects of being decent when it comes to human rights issues. Some have been touched on in this thread. It's not having your head in the clouds.

Conversely falling for the propaganda from either side is really having your head in the clouds, which is precisely where most people are.

Oh i have no doubt and recognize that there are some real issues brehs have pointed out. I have agreee with some of them also if you look back. I have also questioned others.

But that brings me back to what i said earlier. What does being decent have to do with this? Whether we want to admit or not human nature is not always about being decent to each other. In fact i can argue that we are predatory towards each other.

Now i can pretend we live in a utopia but its not the case. If it was the case every us city would be a sanctuary city. So while i believe i what you are saying in theory its not realistic.

So. Why besides being "decent" should i care? I actually started this thread for exactly this kind of conversation with my brehs. Not looking to fall for propaganda from either side. Thats why i tell brehs to keep the Right/Left wars out of this discussion. Thats just to distract from the main topic.

 

[theworldismine13]

I know the face of the demonized Mexican immigrants is what the GOP uses, but immigrants are from, shockingly, many places. San Diego has populations of Jamaican, whom I know personally, and Hatian immigrants, to name two. I loathe the argument about "just doing it the right way", and "My grandma came her legally, why can't they"? Many, many of these people are fleeing extremely horrific situations, that most people, including their biggest detractors cannot even imagine. Coal jobs are lost, heroin addiction rampant....sure, and that's extreme cases in rural Trumpland. These people fleeing places in Mexico, Central America, Jamaica, are fleeing third world conditions, and often extreme violence. They almost always use their last to make it to a border city, and then cross illegally, if that is the case. The process for a visa can be years. It's simply not the most practical solution. These are people trying to survive on a very, very bad hand. Read about Hatians in Tijuana.

I'm in Sd too there is no population of black illegal immigrants in San Diego

Most caribbean people in SD, just like a lot of black people in SD in general, are just people that stayed in SD after getting out the Navy or are somehow connected to the military

The Haitians in tj is pretty sad but they should be sent back to Haiti

Don't try to conflate black legal immigrants with illegal immigration from Mexico and Central America

 

[88m3]

I'm in Sd too there is no population of black illegal immigrants in San Diego

Most caribbean people in SD, just like a lot of black people in SD in general, are just people that stayed in SD after getting out the Navy or are somehow connected to the military

The Haitians in tj is pretty sad but they should be sent back to Haiti

Don't try to conflate black legal immigrants with illegal immigration from Mexico and Central America

 

[theworldismine13]

why is that statement funny?

 

[hashmander]

because not all black immigrants are in the country legally. of those that are currently undocumented, while they never entered illegally, they did overstay their visas. i guess they can't be charged with entering the country illegally so i don't know how that works from a committing an initial crime perspective that you hear about with mexican and central american illegals. is overstaying a crime?*

*i just googled it. entering the country illegally is a federal misdemeanor, but overstaying your visa isn't a crime. obviously if you work, etc without permission then a crime is committed, but being here past the time you were given isn't a crime.

 

[Mook]

I fully admit to being ignorant on that subject. I saw it only on its face and was confused as to why people were upset.

I saw it the argument being that it was hindering people of color to have to show a ID to vote. That made zero sense to me. But what some brehs showed me was that it was deeper than that. Some places were requiring a specific type of Id and coupling that with gerrymandering and the closing of polling places in black communities... you can see the pattern of fukkery.

I think the problem is Dems or whoever need to do a better job of framing their arguments sometimes. All i would hear is people mad about showing a ID to vote. I think and still think its totally reasonable to show a ID to vote. I once got arrested because i did not have a ID on me. I feel we should put forth a effort to help the small part of our communities get ID's if they dont have them instead of fighting for voting without one. For one you need a state ID to get most goverment services, open a banking account, get a library card etc.

But i see now that that issue combined with other slick measures is used as a system to supress our votes

You're right about framing argument. Bernie would have won if he had just kept using the word corruption instead of wall St and 1%.

 

[theworldismine13]

because not all black immigrants are in the country legally. of those that are currently undocumented, while they never entered illegally, they did overstay their visas. i guess they can't be charged with entering the country illegally so i don't know how that works from a committing an initial crime perspective that you hear about with mexican and central american illegals. is overstaying a crime?*

*i just googled it. entering the country illegally is a federal misdemeanor, but overstaying your visa isn't a crime. obviously if you work, etc without permission then a crime is committed, but being here past the time you were given isn't a crime.

Black illegal immigrants exist but it's like a tiny percentage of the illegal population, and out of that tiny percentage I bet the vast majority are in florida and NY metro

 

[General Mills]

You're right about framing argument. Bernie would have won if he had just kept using the word corruption instead of wall St and 1%.

Exactly. And i think if he would have actively courted the black/minority vote. He let Hillary of all people garner the black vote.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Maybe I'm exaggerating but who the hell wants to pay 6 bucks a apple?

don't conflate legal migrant workers with illegal immigrants though.

 

[Mook]

Exactly. And i think if he would have actively courted the black/minority vote. He let Hillary of all people garner the black vote.

She had the black pastors in her pocket for years and Bernie did try, it wasnt going to work though.

I think the young black vote went to him though not sure.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

If this is true then i think the Dems need to re format their arguments. Because they make it sound exactly like that. Or dont let the GOP paint them in that way without a rebuttal.

rahm emanuel said chicago will ALWAYS be a sanctuary city (his words)

(found this video on a youtube search, i don't know or support whoever uploaded it, posting for informational purposes only)