Rican HipHop pioneers giving the dates of when they entered/first saw HipHop being done. They were not there from the start by their own admissions!

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It's indeed tiresome, because the people who were there have spoken, in fact the people who participated spoke out, yet still… some argue and try to spin a narrative. It's ridiculous.
You aren't even from this country, so while you're giggling at other people's comments it's arguable that it's ridiculous for you to be in this conversation at all.
 

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None of this disproves what I said and that fat g you're only using Fat Joe as an examples in fact proves what I said.
It was not meant to disprove, was meant to confirm. When you actually start interacting with people from those communities you will figure out what I've stated.
 

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You aren't even from this country, so while you're giggling at other people's comments it's arguable that it's ridiculous for you to be in this conversation at all.
i am not from from the States, indeed. As I stated prior, I grew up with people from the States. Some of the guy back then was from NY, including the Bronx. South Bronx to be exact. Those old tapes you hear, I have old copies of them from that time.

Btw, it wasn't a giggle, I laughed out loud because it was ridiculous. Can you imagine someone who's not from the States or living in the States understanding this, yet someone who lives in the States doesn't? And in fact the people who matter are the people from The Bronx, the South Bronx in particular. Are you from the Bronx, South Bronx?
 

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i am not from from the States, indeed. As I stated prior, I grew up with people from the States. Some of the guy back then was from NY, including the Bronx. South Bronx to be exact. Those old tapes you hear, I have old copies of them from that time.

Btw, it wasn't a giggle, I laughed out loud because it was ridiculous. Can you imagine someone who's not from the States or living in the States understanding this, yet someone who lives in the States doesn't? And in fact the people who matter are the people from The Bronx, the South Bronx in particular. Are you from the Bronx, South Bronx?
You don't actually understand though. Y'all are being literal and sensitive. I'm glad you're amused though.
 

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I'm from here, there is no "when I start interacting", that's Day 1 :mjlol:
So you are saying the majority of the people from these communities have claimed with Fat Joe said, with that "50/50 thing he claimed"? The closest I have heard was with IllmaticDelta said. People make the claim they were percent from the beginning. This has been refuted by the people who were there and those who participated at the time. This is due to the work Lord Jamar has put in over the last few years till now, by interviewing old heads.

My point is, if what Joe said was correct, why didn't anyone say something when BDP made The South Bronx and Just Ice made Going Way Back? Thanks to channels like Michael Wayne TV we now also know about the early B Boys and the culture they expressed.

Many people from these communities spoke out against Joe and Busta. Joe and Busta need to apologize.
 

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You don't actually understand though. Y'all are being literal and sensitive. I'm glad you're amused though.
I am far from sensitive, but I do feel deeply insulted by what Joe and Busta stated since these are lies. Considering I grew up on Hip Hop, from early on. I am stating facts as we know them, the way is was passed down by The Black Spades, Zulu Kings and 5%ers.
 
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So you are saying the majority of the people from these communities have claimed with Fat Joe said, with that "50/50 thing he claimed"? The closest I have heard was with IllmaticDelta said. People make the claim they were percent from the beginning. This has been refuted by the people who were there and those who participated at the time. This is due to the work Lord Jamar has put in over the last few years till now, by interviewing old heads.

My point is, if what Joe said was correct, why didn't anyone say something when BDP made The South Bronx and Just Ice made Going Way Back? Thanks to channels like Michael Wayne TV we now also know about the early B Boys and the culture they expressed.

Many people from these communities spoke out against Joe and Busta. Joe and Busta need to apologize.

I am far from sensitive, but I do feel deeply insulted by what Joe and Busta stated since these are lies. Considering I get up on Hip Hop, from early on. I am stating facts as we know them, the way is was passed down by The Black Spades, Zulu Kings and 5%ers.
Neither of those records are fussing over what ethnic group started or didn't start hip-hop, but since I'm sure you're talking about names named, I wonder how many of those names are names of non-ADOS black men. At least 3 of them (Flash, Bambaata, Herc). KRS himself is half-Jamaican and heavily influenced by reggae. So for Busta in particular, no, he needs to make 0 apologies.
 

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Neither of those records are fussing over what ethnic group started or didn't start hip-hop, but since I'm sure you're talking about names named, I wonder how many of those names are names of non-ADOS black men. At least 3 of them (Flash, Bambaata, Herc). KRS himself is half-Jamaican and heavily influenced by reggae. So for Busta in particular, no, he needs to make 0 apologies.

he definetely needs to apologize for saying we get out culture from the carribean

 
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