IllmaticDelta
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By/on what side are you speaking of?
Rican HipHop pioneers giving the dates of when they entered/first saw HipHop being done. They were not there from the start by their own admissions!
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By/on what side are you speaking of?
Ricans have not been saying they're 50% responsible for hip-hop.
Not all and every Rican, that’s true. But Fat Joe did. And it was nonsense, for obvious reasons. For a good reason Joe shaved his head bald all this time, since 1991. That is the psychology behind his cognitive dissonance.
If there was any 50% Ricky Martin's running around since the beginning of Hip Hop, in the Black Spades. The Hip Hop culture would have looked by far different in the early 80s.
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Not all and every Rican, that’s true. But Fat Joe did. Same like Busta, not all and every Jamaican has been saying the utter nonsense he said.
For each one of them, there’s tends of thousands and perhaps more who are not saying these things. And perhaps are saying the opposite, but that is simply not being highlighted, because it’s not controversial. Things that are controversial always get more attention.
The problem is that people like Joe and Busta have a l large platform with a lot of followers, with people who only know so little about this topic.
Especially to non-Black people, who didn’t even grow up with Black American music and cultural elements out side of Hip Hop, which is a Black subculture.
I noticed this at the time with the verzuz battles, when the Hot97 panel members reviewed Teddy Riley vs Baby Face. As people in Hip Hop, we may or may not have liked R&B, but we had other family members listening to this genre, parents, sisters, brothers, cousins… friends. We also went to clubs etc had girlfriends who did listen to R&B, New Jack Swing. So we knew about it. That was my experience and that of many other Black guys over here in the Netherlands. I’ve been the England and I know they processed it somewhat the same. They even have a "Black British Soul Music awards" called MOBO. Black people in the UK mostly are from the West Indies, including Jamaica.
Front | MOBO Organisation
"The MOBO Awards (Music of Black Origin, also known as the MOBOs) are an annual British music award presentation honouring achievements in "music of black origin", including hip hop, grime, UK Drill, R&B, soul, reggae, jazz, gospel, and African music."
MOBO Awards - Wikipedia
As a non-FBA who partially did grew up with Black Americans over here in Holland, I have a different experience as well. I am from a Caribbean country that had some introduction to Black Americans as well, since WWII. At least (although it theoretically could be far longer). So at house parties "traditional music" was payed and well as Black American music etc. it was a mixture, however my generation and those behind me only played, or for the most part played Black American music. My parents had Black American friends and grew up with those kids, as I got older I had Black American friends myself. It was deployed Black Americans in the military.
I say this because it’s important to understand on how people take and absorb Black American culture and to what extent.
In the thread on the Hot97 channel you can see people complain about the panel. In particular it’s about the guy Juanyto and Pete Rosenberg. These guys clearly know Black American culture from listening to Hip Hop and nothing else. So to them these songs are like what it this…? Especially the Latin dude who from somewhere in Latin America (South America). Rosenberg knew the popular songs, since he was born and raised in America, but the less popular songs he didn’t know. And that too me was strange, and showed the actual disconnect. Ebro is half FBA (Black American, which was clear) and if not, clearly was raised on that was well, for the reasons mentioned above. I’m certain this is true for the average Black American (FBA).
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IllmaticDelta
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Yes and no. Most of the Ricans never actual stated an actual % like Fat Joe but many Ricans will say that they were there from the start which is basically implying a 50/50 partnership in its creation.
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To make a mistake is one thing, but to be arrogant and not apologize is something else.
There's rap music in Dutch, but we understand it's culturally Black American in origin. Most of the Black Population over here is from the Caribbean (The Lesser Antilles) and to some degree Cape Verdean. When we started out over here it was in English, and it slowly progressed to the Dutch language.
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ReturnOfJudah
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Ok this should dead this 2 week old lip wrasslin
Cat piss martini
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we were breaking and putting poetry
together and the east coast mesicans
were spraying their names on trains.
together and the east coast mesicans
were spraying their names on trains.
Y'all are taking that literal. Hip-hop is 50 years old. If a 50 year old man has had friend or kept an item since elementary school, we wouldn't blink at the concept of that friend or item "being there from the start".
This is a case of people not being from the area taking arms for not understanding the dynamics between the 2 groups in the first place, or they'd already know not all Ricans were down with hip-hop and not all Blacks were initially welcoming to those who were.
nikka no. Y'all were not there in the beginning in no shape form or fashion. Point blank period. Remedial motherfukkers.
It's indeed tiresome, because the people who were there have spoken, in fact the people who participated spoke out, yet still… some argue and try to spin a narrative. It's ridiculous.
From what we know from the people who were there we have a clear view of that time. We also understand that the Ricans present couldn't and didn't want to stand out as non-Black, so they had their Afro's out. As immigrants or children of immigrants, they integrated into the Black community.
Ain't no y'all. I'm not Latino period. Try again.
Funny enough the first word in your post is what all this is REALLY about lol
Not all and every Rican, that’s true. But Fat Joe did. Same like Busta, not all and every Jamaican has been saying the utter nonsense he said.
For each one of them, there’s tends of thousands and perhaps more who are not saying these things. And perhaps are saying the opposite, but that is simply not being highlighted, because it’s not controversial. Things that are controversial always get more attention.
The problem is that people like Joe and Busta have a l large platform with a lot of followers, with people who only know so little about this topic.
Especially to non-Black people, who didn’t even grow up with Black American music and cultural elements out side of Hip Hop, which is a Black subculture.
I noticed this at the time with the verzuz battles, when the Hot97 panel members reviewed Teddy Riley vs Baby Face. As people in Hip Hop, we may or may not have liked R&B, but we had other family members listening to this genre, parents, sisters, brothers, cousins… friends. We also went to clubs etc had girlfriends who did listen to R&B, New Jack Swing. So we knew about it. That was my experience and that of many other Black guys over here in the Netherlands. I’ve been the England and I know they processed it somewhat the same. They even have a "Black British Soul Music awards" called MOBO. Black people in the UK mostly are from the West Indies, including Jamaica.
Front | MOBO Organisation
www.mobo.com
"The MOBO Awards (Music of Black Origin, also known as the MOBOs) are an annual British music award presentation honouring achievements in "music of black origin", including hip hop, grime, UK Drill, R&B, soul, reggae, jazz, gospel, and African music."
MOBO Awards - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
As a non-FBA who partially did grew up with Black Americans over here in Holland, I have a different experience as well. I am from a Caribbean country that had some introduction to Black Americans as well, since WWII. At least (although it theoretically could be far longer). So at house parties "traditional music" was payed and well as Black American music etc. it was a mixture, however my generation and those behind me only played, or for the most part played Black American music. My parents had Black American friends and grew up with those kids, as I got older I had Black American friends myself. It was deployed Black Americans in the military.
I say this because it’s important to understand on how people take and absorb Black American culture and to what extent.
In the thread on the Hot97 channel you can see people complain about the panel. In particular it’s about the guy Juanyto and Pete Rosenberg. These guys clearly know Black American culture from listening to Hip Hop and nothing else. So to them these songs are like what it this…? Especially the Latin dude who from somewhere in Latin America (South America). Rosenberg knew the popular songs, since he was born and raised in America, but the less popular songs he didn’t know. And that too me was strange, and showed the actual disconnect. Ebro is half FBA (Black American, which was clear) and if not, clearly was raised on that was well, for the reasons mentioned above. I’m certain this is true for the average Black American (FBA).
None of this disproves what I said and that fat g you're only using Fat Joe as an examples in fact proves what I said.
Oh so you just a dumb nikka
I'm out