Really dough, if you believe Outkast is the greatest group of all time.....

[Big Mel]

although new york was going through a revival period, being situated nearer the mecca (rather than further away) was always an advantage. plus wu was the perfect fit for the east coast to fill the void they'd been looking for to level the movements at west. lets not start making out like wu-tangs impact was solely a one-way street.

i aint taking nothing away from the wu.... they deserve all the plaudits they get. my argument isn;t against the fact that 'geography had zero to do with who gets pub and who doesn't in 94' .. it was that new york was still hip-hops approval-yarstick in 92/94.

goodie mob wasnt selling shyt in new york.... only south/west.. they got no radioplay from the eastcoast.. the insurmountable difference between who knows wu tang and who knows goodie mob, today (two groups, same era, basically the same starting position) shows you why the statement you made of 'staten island was looked at as foreign as acts from atlanta' is flat out fallacy......

I bought goodie mobs records. Many of my peers bought them as well. Cell therapy is a hop hop classic. The reason wu is remembered is because they time stamped te era and still somewhat together.


New York wasn't hip hops approval yardstick in 1994. Sales were. And new York wasn't selling.

 

[Big Mel]

And stretch would have welcomed Outkast on his show.

But they didn't need to pay those dues being buddies up with TlC and such.

 

[hex]

And Loud had distro through RCA and was a subsidiary of Universal. They had the exact same record label advantages as Outkast/LaFace. People need to stop acting like Wu was on an indie label.

Fred.

 

[the rhyme king]

Are you retarded? If you're one of the foremost DJs for breaking new music, in one of the largest cities in the world, which also happens to be the mecca of rap music at the time, you don't need to have clout on a national level. "Respect in NY, that's it"? Respect in NY in '94 was all you needed.

There was no ATL equivalent to Bobbito. And ATL was a backwater small time city comparatively speaking, when it came to impact on the rap game at the time. Outkast was signed to an R&B label that had no idea how to market them. They put their lead single on a Christmas compilation for fukks sake.

Fred.

smh yea u a retard carry on

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I bought goodie mobs records. Many of my peers bought them as well. Cell therapy is a hop hop classic. The reason wu is remembered is because they time stamped te era and still somewhat together.


New York wasn't hip hops approval yardstick in 1994. Sales were. And new York wasn't selling.

the lengths you've gone to try and make out that this is a level playing field is

they time-stamped it cause where they were from had an effect on how they were recognised/remembered. what about at the end of the 90s? east coast still wasn't playing goodie mob records. you and your peers were in the absolute minority of new york consensus. don't be bringing up that at all.

new york was the yardstick of approval, they were the mecca, the core.... like i said before the very fact that goodie mob ain't even recognised in 1/1000000th of the light that wu tang is... is partly down to the fact that they were from atlanta.

 

[hex]

NY wasn't selling in '94?

Is this the Twilight Zone? You could argue that individual artists from other regions were selling more, but as an entire region the East was outselling everyone. Damn near anyone from NY was going gold, plat, or multi for the whole 90s....the same cannot be said for the West or the South. Hell, outside of the Death Row camp and it's affiliates, only a handful of West coast rappers were selling during what was supposed to be that coast's prime.

Fred.

 

[Big Mel]

New York rap acts thy Goodie Mob outsold:

De La Soul
Krs One
Gang Starr
Black Moon
Smif N Wessun
Jeru
Heltah Skeltah
Brand Nubian
Grand Puba
Masta Ace Inc
MOP
Group Home
Fat Joe
Nas
AZ
Das Efx
Erick Sermon
Pete Rock & CL Smooth
The Beatnuts
Organized Konfusion
Big L
OC
Cella Dwellaz
Nine
Lord Finesse
Kool G Rap
PMD
Black Sheep
The Legion
Blahzay Blahzay
Artifacts
Smoothe Da Hustler
Channel Live

 

[Big Mel]

Yeah, new York centric hop hop was really the yardstick in a post Chronic world.


Cut it out.

 

[Big Mel]

Def Squad, Wu, Bad Boy & Tribe were the only ny acts selling by 1994.

And def squad was soaking up that Atlanta sun.

 

[Big Mel]

And Loud had distro through RCA and was a subsidiary of Universal. They had the exact same record label advantages as Outkast/LaFace. People need to stop acting like Wu was on an indie label.

Fred.

They earned that deal through independent pressing of a classic 12".

An loud did not have the thrust of laface. A hip hop boutique label can't match the reach of a damn babyface company when it comes to that bougie black dollar fanbase

 

[Big Mel]

New York rap acts thy Goodie Mob outsold:

De La Soul
Krs One
Gang Starr
Black Moon
Smif N Wessun
Jeru
Heltah Skeltah
Brand Nubian
Grand Puba
Masta Ace Inc
MOP
Group Home
Fat Joe
Nas
AZ
Das Efx
Erick Sermon
Pete Rock & CL Smooth
The Beatnuts
Organized Konfusion
Big L
OC
Cella Dwellaz
Nine
Lord Finesse
Kool G Rap
PMD
Black Sheep
The Legion
Blahzay Blahzay
OGC
Artifacts
Smoothe Da Hustler
Channel Live

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

what is this in reference to? soul food?

 

[Big Mel]

Those are all acts that didn't even go gold. Ya know, in the yardstick for success capital.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

how many albums did soul food sell on the east coast?

 

[Big Mel]

At least one.