Really dough, if you believe Outkast is the greatest group of all time.....

[Wacky D]

^^killadelphia, pistolvania

bonethugs

)))slaps hands with this man(((

you know wassup. f**k all this revisionist chit these other dudes is in here kickin.

 

[Roberto Dinero]

^^killadelphia, pistolvania



)))slaps hands with this man(((

you know wassup. f**k all this revisionist chit these other dudes is in here kickin.

So ur from Philly then. Or maybe ur just yanking my chain?

 

[Wacky D]

yea. no homo. i take it ur not from sohh?

 

[Roberto Dinero]

yea. no homo. i take it ur not from sohh?

Yeah I am from SOHH. Just wasn't sure if u were serious or joking.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

lol @ killadelphia, pistolvania. little dirty philly kids with too much testosterone. go clean yourself up like meek mill did.

 

[Woodwerkz]

My favorite 3 groups all time is Wu, Outkast and De La Soul.

So I'm about as objective as you can get.

Wu did blow up off hard core rap....but NY based hard core rap was the norm in '93. Both "36 Chambers" and Outkast's first album went plat....which is a more feat impressive though?

Let's be real here, most people wasn't f*cking with the South in '94....NY booed 'kast in '95....so instead of looking at "Wu blew up off hard core rap" we need to look at "Outkast blew up at the same time in a NY-centric era, and changed their sound on each album". That's not necessarily a plus or minus for either group but we need to put sh*t into perspective.

I do count the Wu solos as Wu albums, because they feature the same people, and up to a point are all produced by Rza.

Wu's strength was building a foundation that to this day still exists....and I don't mean just the group, I mean the brand, the sound, impact, etc....they are basically rap's version of The Rolling Stones.

Outkast is the exact opposite. They didn't rely on one foundation or sound, they completely uprooted their sound 5x and started from scratch. The second Rza switched up (that Bob Digi sh*t) he lost fans.

To me, Outkast's career has been more impressive. What's funny is people say they crossed over, sold out, whatever on "The Love Below" (and I hate that album)....but who sounded like that at the time? It's easy to point fingers now, after the sh*t went diamond. But at the time it was so left field that Prince literally called up Andre like "the f*ck are you thinking?".

The same can be said for "Speakerboxxx". Any album that has songs like "Bust" and "The Rooster" on it definitely ain't trying to cross over. Not on purpose anyway.

Fred.

Exactly...and that is the real shyt. Not only did Outkast put a spotlight on a whole region that up until that time was just Texas...they opened the doors for artist like Goodie Mob, T.I., & Etc. I will say that I was a big wu head back then, but some verses we very underwhelming & forgetable...and are very dated when u go back & listen years later. Wu tang had a movement going on (like No Limit had years later) to where anyone that dropped was going gold or platinum just because.

 

[Wacky D]

SOMEBODY STOP THIS CHIT!! outkast didnt put no spotlight on the south. they didnt open up doors for anybody except the dungeon family & affiliates.

man, ima let running ray breathe a lil bit. he was merkin niccas in this thread. props to the others in this thread for f**kin these sucka-ducks prison-style.

 

[Big Mel]

Outkast blew up on the heels of a west coast dominated scene and at the beginning of a hardcore NYC revolution.


It isn't exactly crazy that some country boys were able to ring out in a climate already primed for non new york mainstream success. And their sound was very radio ready and polished plus backed by an industry powerhouse R&B label.


What Wu did was nothing at all like that. Wu literally went fom the absolute bottom to the top.

Honestly, being from staten island is as foreign as being from Atlanta in 1993.

 

[Two Stacks]

so UGK didnt exist. oh aight.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Honestly, being from staten island is as foreign as being from Atlanta in 1993.

no, it's nothing like it.

 

[Big Mel]

Laface, rowdy, so so def and arrested development had all already begun the groundswell for Atlanta to become the new black recording hub.


A gang of misfits from staten island with two industry failures at the head of the table is more impressive than lafaces Christmas album featured, souls of mischief for the masses act.

 

[hex]

hey ya sounds like some 1950s old school shyt and it caught on by being different... dudes sang in hip hop before andre. they pushed the bar creatively, but they pushed it with catchy commercial music. mobb deep couldnt make a song like hey ya. if people havent realized the outkast formula by now idk what to say cause they been trying to make hits since day 1

Mobb Deep crossed over too. The difference is Outkast had been changing their style for 4 albums prior to "Hey Ya"....Mobb Deep got on some "let's start making music for the ladies!" sh*t out of the clear blue sky. Which obviously isn't how they came into the game.

You can't say Outkast made commercial music when none of their hits sound like anything that was out at the time. They experimented, and the mainstream came to them. There's a huge difference between that and making commercial music.

Fred.

 

[hex]

Laface, rowdy, so so def and arrested development had all already begun the groundswell for Atlanta to become the new black recording hub.

A gang of misfits from staten island with two industry failures at the head of the table is more impressive than lafaces Christmas album featured, souls of mischief for the masses act.

No, it's not. And I'm not from the South, or NY, so I have no horse in this race.

All Wu had to do was head to NYC, which was still the center of hip-hop in '92, and ask DJs like Bobitto, etc. to play their sh*t. Which they did....with zero problems. NY rappers in the 90s had a massive leg-up on rappers from any other region.

Outkast had no such option open to them, with or without La Face. They was still getting booed in NY in '95.

Fred.

 

[Big Mel]

They had a major R&B label with a stronghold at urban radio pushing they're product. World apart from getting burn on he stretch & bob show.


They got booed because they paid no dues and won an award. Thanks to the cushy push from higher ups.

 

[hex]

They had a major R&B label with a stronghold at urban radio pushing they're product. World apart from getting burn on he stretch & bob show.

Their first album is straight gangster sh*t so I fail to see how an R&B record label is an advantage.

Bobitto playing "Protect Ya Neck" 20x in a row in NYC is more conductive to Wu's career than Outkast, a player/gangster rap group sharing a major label with Toni Braxton. Why? Because the type of people that listen to Bobbito would be checking for Wu-Tang....the type of people that listen to Toni Braxton ain't necessarily checking for Outkast.

NY rappers had a major advantage for years. Wu came out right in the middle of that. ATL wasn't exactly on the map as far as rap sh*t in '94.

And they got booed because NY was hating on damn near any other region at the time. Which again, is another advantage of being from NY in the 80s and 90s.

Fred.