Really dough, if you believe Outkast is the greatest group of all time.....

[hex]

Another thing about ATL, Kriss Kross blew up in '92. By the time Outkast came out any focus on ATL was gone.

Da Brat blew up after Outkast. Matter of fact, people keep citing So So Def as some kinda major player in ATL before 'kast, they had 1 release before 'kast, and it was Xscape.

Long story short, ATL wasn't really on anyone's radar as far as rap sh*t, prior to Outkast/Dungeon Fam. NYC was in the game 10+ years before Wu blew up. If you don't think that's an advantage, you're insane.

Fred.

 

[Big Mel]

I'll tell you the advantage of being Toni Braxton's label mate. It gets you pub. Radio spins. Bet/MTV spins. Vibe write ups. You get exposure to the entire rest of the country who listen to:

Too short
E 40
Dr Dre
Snoop
Ice cube
DJ Quik
Bone thugs
Geto boys
Coolio
Spice 1


All acts that sold records on a pimp/gangsta tip.

 

[Big Mel]

Another thing about ATL, Kriss Kross blew up in '92. By the time Outkast came out any focus on ATL was gone.

Da Brat blew up after Outkast. Matter of fact, people keep citing So So Def as some kinda major player in ATL before 'kast, they had 1 release before 'kast, and it was Xscape.

Long story short, ATL wasn't really on anyone's radar as far as rap sh*t, prior to Outkast/Dungeon Fam. NYC was in the game 10+ years before Wu blew up. If you don't think that's an advantage, you're insane.

Fred.

I already credited Outkast for legitimizing hip hop out of ATL. But the groundswell and industry of black music in ATL had long been underway. They were fully functional and ready to throw down toe o toe with any other region. They ad all the faculties.

 

[Big Mel]

Atlanta used to be called "baby new York" in the Nique era too.


I could trace the roots of this back to Cameo.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Honestly, being from staten island is as foreign as being from Atlanta in 1993.

Laface, rowdy, so so def and arrested development had all already begun the groundswell for Atlanta to become the new black recording hub.


A gang of misfits from staten island with two industry failures at the head of the table is more impressive than lafaces Christmas album featured, souls of mischief for the masses act.

your bringing this r&b label push rhetoric as a barometer on how ALL atlanta acts were perceived... when this clearly wasn't the case. if i hypothetically were to take your stance on 'wu going from the bottom to the top' as correct... what about goodie mob? they never got the recognition they deserved in the 90s at all... they didn't get shyt all airplay. and dont be acting like new yorkers were showing love to outkast like they were showing wu tang either.

u out your mind if you think new yorkers looked at the wu as if they were as foreign as some country boys

plus ny radio wasn't giving outkast love like that in the 90s either. in fact most of the love came from out west.. they showed 10000000x more love than new york. west had more input in putting outkast on than new york ever did; they sold the majority of their records out there.

 

[the rhyme king]

lol at stretch and boitto having any clout on a national level they just had respect in new york that's about it. outkast had more of advantage because they were on a bigger record label with a bigger platform.

 

[Hammer]

Outkast Put The South On the Map

They Are The Best Rap Group Ever

Nobody Else Really Even Compares

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

the fact that pseudo new york elitists still refuse to put outkast in the top-tier of rap groups is another reason why the statement of "staten island is as foreign as being from Atlanta in 1993." deserves a:

 

[the rhyme king]

the fact that pseudo new york elitists still refuse to put outkast in the top-tier of rap groups is another reason why the statement of "staten island is as foreign as being from Atlanta in 1993." deserves a:

this and bottom line is outkast had a bigger impact on hip hop then the wu.

 

[Big Mel]

your bringing this r&b label push rhetoric as a barometer on how ALL atlanta acts were perceived... when this clearly wasn't the case. if i hypothetically were to take your stance on 'wu going from the bottom to the top' as correct... what about goodie mob? they never got the recognition they deserved in the 90s at all... they didn't get shyt all airplay. and dont be acting like new yorkers were showing love to outkast like they were showing wu tang either.

u out your mind if you think new yorkers looked at the wu as if they were as foreign as some country boys

plus ny radio wasn't giving outkast love like that in the 90s either. in fact most of the love came from out west.. they showed 10000000x more love than new york. west had more input in putting outkast on than new york ever did; they sold the majority of their records out there.

You just said what I've been saying minus a few tangents. Goodie scored three gold records in a row as a political act. They had pub.


You think labels were chomping at the bit to sign 9 dusty dudes from SI headed by Rza (failed tommy boy artist) and Gza (failed cold chillin artist)?


They weren't. They pressed up protect ya neck and EARNED it. The old fashioned way.


There is no faking "aww yeah, again and again!"



I love Kast. But nah, they were on easy street by comparison. Geography had zero to do with who gets pub and who doesn't in 1994. Labels do.

 

[Hammer]

Wu-Tang is Like 10 Members They are Not Really a Group More like A Movement, Did Not Put Out Enough Albums Together To Be Considered Better Than Outkast

 

[the rhyme king]

Wu-Tang is Like 10 Members They are Not Really a Group More like A Movement, Did Not Put Out Enough Albums Together To Be Considered Better Than Outkast

they overrated imo they had 1 good group the rest were trash.

 

[Hammer]

Aquemini > 36 Chambers > ATLiens > Speakerbox/Love Below > Stankonia > Southerplayalisticcadillacmusik > Rest Of the WU Albums > Idlewild

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You just said what I've been saying minus a few tangents. Goodie scored three gold records in a row as a political act. They had pub.


You think labels were chomping at the bit to sign 9 dusty dudes from SI headed by Rza (failed tommy boy artist) and Gza (failed cold chillin artist)?


They weren't. They pressed up protect ya neck and EARNED it. The old fashioned way.


There is no faking "aww yeah, again and again!"



I love Kast. But nah, they were on easy street by comparison. Geography had zero to do with who gets pub and who doesn't in 1994. Labels do.

although new york was going through a revival period, being situated nearer the mecca (rather than further away) was always an advantage. plus wu was the perfect fit for the east coast to fill the void they'd been looking for to level the movements at west. lets not start making out like wu-tangs impact was solely a one-way street.

i aint taking nothing away from the wu.... they deserve all the plaudits they get. my argument isn;t against the fact that 'geography had zero to do with who gets pub and who doesn't in 94' .. it was that new york was still hip-hops approval-yarstick in 92/94.

goodie mob wasnt selling shyt in new york.... only south/west.. they got no radioplay from the eastcoast.. the insurmountable difference between who knows wu tang and who knows goodie mob, today (two groups, same era, basically the same starting position) shows you why the statement you made of 'staten island was looked at as foreign as acts from atlanta' is flat out fallacy......

 

[hex]

lol at stretch and boitto having any clout on a national level they just had respect in new york that's about it. outkast had more of advantage because they were on a bigger record label with a bigger platform.

Are you retarded? If you're one of the foremost DJs for breaking new music, in one of the largest cities in the world, which also happens to be the mecca of rap music at the time, you don't need to have clout on a national level. "Respect in NY, that's it"? Respect in NY in '94 was all you needed.

There was no ATL equivalent to Bobbito. And ATL was a backwater small time city comparatively speaking, when it came to impact on the rap game at the time. Outkast was signed to an R&B label that had no idea how to market them. They put their lead single on a Christmas compilation for fukks sake.

Fred.