Really dough, if you believe Outkast is the greatest group of all time.....

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At least one.

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the point is you jogging out all these names when the majority of them suffered from over-saturation and regurgitating the new-york sound. thats why the eastcoast fell off so hard. you've got 100+ acts sounding similar tryna compete for recognition(record sales) in the same market, whereas goodie mob trotted out something TOTALLY different with very little competition in the south, and despite all that, i bet you goodie mob didn't sell more than 10% of the list on the east coast (public). the majority if not all of those sales of soul food were from the south and the west.

but we go back to the fact the goodie mob is to the south, what wu tang is to the east coast. so it doesn't make much sense when you rolling out names like: blahzay, dwellaz, artifacts etc etc. so why isn't Goodie Mob even recognised in 1/1000000th of the light that wu tang is?

sure wu prospered from solo albums, but what you're saying when you said "staten island was looked at as foreign as acts from atlanta' is that new yorkers looked at wu's hardcore/gutter sound as if they were as foreign as some country boys who rapped about life in Martel homes....

east coast stations playing wu music all through the 90's and them not playing goodie mob music.... SAYS IT ALL.
 

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Where are you getting this data? Outkast, Goodie Mob, TLC, Brian McKnight, Another Bad Creation and Arreted Development all got ajor burn in NYC.



Are you saying Goodie Mob achieved what Wu Tang did, made records as strong as them and at deserving of equal footing in the hip hop annals?


I get you love you some DF but let's try and stay grounded here.
 

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Their first album is straight gangster sh*t so I fail to see how an R&B record label is an advantage.

Bobitto playing "Protect Ya Neck" 20x in a row in NYC is more conductive to Wu's career than Outkast, a player/gangster rap group sharing a major label with Toni Braxton. Why? Because the type of people that listen to Bobbito would be checking for Wu-Tang....the type of people that listen to Toni Braxton ain't necessarily checking for Outkast.

NY rappers had a major advantage for years. Wu came out right in the middle of that. ATL wasn't exactly on the map as far as rap sh*t in '94.

And they got booed because NY was hating on damn near any other region at the time. Which again, is another advantage of being from NY in the 80s and 90s.

Fred.

nah. the whole "they got booed because theyre from the south" thing is p.r. propaganda to save face. lets be real, the freakin 69 boyz got a round of applause that night.

and my man, outkast has ALWAYS had a STRONG r&b fanbase. like i said yesterday, they scooped up arrested developments fanbase and had that l.a. reid push. cmon man. most of outkast's diehard urban fanbase is quicker to play toni braxton than they would jeru da damaja.

Another thing about ATL, Kriss Kross blew up in '92. By the time Outkast came out any focus on ATL was gone.

Da Brat blew up after Outkast. Matter of fact, people keep citing So So Def as some kinda major player in ATL before 'kast, they had 1 release before 'kast, and it was Xscape.

Long story short, ATL wasn't really on anyone's radar as far as rap sh*t, prior to Outkast/Dungeon Fam. NYC was in the game 10+ years before Wu blew up. If you don't think that's an advantage, you're insane.

Fred.

channels like BET were doing special reports on the atlanta music scene before outkast even blew up. use youtube's search function. atlanta was already a hot spot and one of the places to be if you wanted to become a star.


plus ny radio wasn't giving outkast love like that in the 90s either. in fact most of the love came from out west.. they showed 10000000x more love than new york. west had more input in putting outkast on than new york ever did; they sold the majority of their records out there.

outkast never had trouble getting airplay on the east coast. THEY WERE L.A. REID'S RAP GROUP. you think hes not gonna make sure that they get played on all major stations?:childplease:
 

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Which all circles back to my initial point:

Wu Tang breaking out in a market that was not buying NYC acts, while being from staten island, a place most new Yorkers have never even been. Is more impressive than Outkast breaking out of an already groomed and fully functional ATL music scene on an R&B label with major marketing dollars spitting that "non new york" souring rap that had Been killing the cash registers post Dr Dre.



Players Ball would fit snugly between a brandy or Jon b song. Protect ya neck not so much.


AWWW YEAH AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!!
 

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Too $hort and Erick Sermon relocated to ATL, pre Outkast, to reenergize their careers after strife back home.


But really, Larry Blackmon and Dominque Wilkins were the initial ATL draw. But that's a whole nother topic.


Baby new York.
 

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^yea, and i like how you said "bougie black dollars" because outkast has always gotten plenty of that. case in point: youll be hard-pressed to conjure up 5 wutang videos that have gotten airplay on vh1 soul, but that same station has no problem showing 2 hour video blocks of outkast.

and i find it funny how people who have no connections to the east coast whatsoever claim to know so much about what gets played up here. all theyre doing is exposing themselves. this 81 >>> 100 guy is a jerk. hes just making up stuff as he goes along. whats the point?

lol @ stretch & bobbito being a real factor in the overall scope of things. if youre not in the new york radio market(new york/north jersey), chances are that you didnt even know who they were.
 

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^yea, and i like how you said "bougie black dollars" because outkast has always gotten plenty of that. case in point: youll be hard-pressed to conjure up 5 wutang videos that have gotten airplay on vh1 soul, but that same station has no problem showing 2 hour video blocks of outkast.

and i find it funny how people who have no connections to the east coast whatsoever claim to know so much about what gets played up here. all theyre doing is exposing themselves. this 81 >>> 100 guy is a jerk. hes just making up stuff as he goes along. whats the point?

lol @ stretch & bobbito being a real factor in the overall scope of things. if youre not in the new york radio market(new york/north jersey), chances are that you didnt even know who they were.

exactly most n1ggas did not even know who stretch and bobbito
was nationaly u got to be a retard to think they had any impact on the world.
 

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And like I said earlier, Outkast would have been welcomed on wkcr with open arms but didn't need that shine because they were groomed by an R&B powerhouse who probably looked down there nose at "slumming it". Nothing stopped Hieroglyphics from torching stretch and bobs show.

I remember how weird it was to see laface putting out hip hop. It made me super skeptical initially.
 

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seperate.

i remember alot of people having a distaste for outkast for many of the reasons stated in the past few pages, including the left-field award win.

they were kinda like the drake of their time in terms of their joyride to success. that stuff didnt fly back then.
 

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I never even cared for award shows. The only one I cared about was Wu vs. Puffy for the Grammy and I was as happy as a loser could be that night.
 
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Where are you getting this data? Outkast, Goodie Mob, TLC, Brian McKnight, Another Bad Creation and Arreted Development all got ajor burn in NYC.



Are you saying Goodie Mob achieved what Wu Tang did, made records as strong as them and at deserving of equal footing in the hip hop annals?


I get you love you some DF but let's try and stay grounded here.
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whats brian mcknight, another bad creation and arrested development got to do with things? im talkin about goodie mob.... and no they didn't get spin in new york .....

all those names listed were commerically-accessible... goodie mob weren't, just like the wu. and no i NEVER alluded to them making records as strong as the wu and to deserve an equal footing..... but they both basically started off on the same level.... only wu prospered in the standpoint that they were from the eastcoast..... i don;t know how many times i need to repeat myself but when are you gonna acknowledge that 'staten island was looked at as foreign as acts from atlanta' is false?

stay grounded? yeah you'd know all about that... cause you aint willing to move any foot, in giving the deserved-props to acts outside the east coast.
 
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they were kinda like the drake of their time in terms of their joyride to success. that stuff didnt fly back then.
in no way are outkast comparable to drake's situation... this is just a perfect example of why folk dont respect nor take your opinions seriously on this site.

im ignoring the rest of your comments:scusthov:
 
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