blueprint 3 definitely.
Rappers/Albums That Put Up Big Numbers But Lacked The Cultural Impact To Match
- Thread starter Wacky D
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blueprint 3 definitely.
1.) its not speculation when i know tons & tons of these people personally. and its so obvious, that i dont even have to know them. anybody with a functioning brain & isnt naive can tell an apple from an orange.
2.) well thats what this thread is about. and if you want to know what he meant, just ask him. let him clear it up.
3.) i see you started numbering the rest anyway. EMBRACE ME.
4.) you darn right. i love to argue.
5.) or maybe eminem is just proppin up his mentor. lets be reality, what new fans were introduced to eminem via dre 2001?
6.) thats his opinion. im out here tho.
7.) how did 2001 bring the west back? there was no real resurgance. it brought dr dre back. nobody else from the west coast got a career boost except for xzibit who had signed to dre.
man it was all about eminem. the media may have threw hip-hop under the bus in the process but it was all about eminem and he reaped all the benefits as it took his career to the next level(not some dre 2001 collabos, like you claim) and culminated with him making out with elton john on the grammys stage. i kinda think half of that stuff was done to make eminem bigger on the low.
hip-hop wasnt paying attention to these eminem controversies. sorry to break it to you, but we didnt care.
All that needs to be said.
Hip Hop was definitely paying attention to Eminem and the controversy surrounding him. The controversy came after MMLP hit shelves. He'd already sold nearly 2 million copies in one week at that point. 2001 definitely helped Em because a lot of people weren't sold on Em initially. His appearances on Dre's album helped establish him. Him appearing on songs with Dre made Dre's co-sign official and not just him co-signing an "of the moment" act.
at "we". So now you're speaking for multiple people.1.) its not speculation when i know tons & tons of these people personally. and its so obvious, that i dont even have to know them. anybody with a functioning brain & isnt naive can tell an apple from an orange.
2.) well thats what this thread is about. and if you want to know what he meant, just ask him. let him clear it up.
3.) i see you started numbering the rest anyway. EMBRACE ME.
4.) you darn right. i love to argue.
5.) or maybe eminem is just proppin up his mentor. lets be reality, what new fans were introduced to eminem via dre 2001?
6.) thats his opinion. im out here tho.
7.) how did 2001 bring the west back? there was no real resurgance. it brought dr dre back. nobody else from the west coast got a career boost except for xzibit who had signed to dre.
1) There's more people than just the ones you know. That's why it's speculation.
2) Then why are you speaking for him
3) no thanks
4) that's obvious
5) Either way , him saying it holds more validity than your personal observation
6) LOL at his opinion. It's Kanye's own career, so that makes his statement far more valid than yours in regard to it. At this point, I'm done responding because you're beyond logical discussion if you think you being "out here" holds more weight than what he said about his career. Especially since "This Can't Be Life" (the song in which he stated he used the bitten Dre drums) led to him getting work on Blueprint which is when he really blew up.
Albums like this are obviously what should be discussed here. Not even on the Internet is that album really discussed. Most times, people bring it up in reference to Nas writing songs on it or the once every blue moon nostalgia thread/post. MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice (and their respective albums) are other examples. Except they don't even get the nostalgia mention. Rick Ross gave Hammer the most relevance he's had in years.
When they say hip hop culture, they mean trends, style and music. The MMLP did not change the way people rapped, it merely was the first time a white dude did this rap shyt as well as anyone else. But his impact on pop culture did not necessarily mean he impacted hip hop culture in the sense of the places where it is made and lived. It was arguably more important for him and the mainstream, than it was for hip hop as a whole. However, I'd disagree. There are a lot of people listening to rap because of Eminem so to discount the MMLP is unfair.
Vanilla Ice and Hammer.
Both put up huge numbers. Both were everything rap wasn't supposed to be. Neither left a lasting, positive mark.
If I gotta pick who was worse, I'm going with Vanilla Ice every time. The white boy came into the game lying from the jump.
Both put up huge numbers. Both were everything rap wasn't supposed to be. Neither left a lasting, positive mark.
If I gotta pick who was worse, I'm going with Vanilla Ice every time. The white boy came into the game lying from the jump.
Hammer and Vanilla Ice are the standard bearers for this thread. Shoulda been the first two people listed.
Rakim Allah
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I be winkin' through the scope
I am a Hov stan but... 
There isn't a rapper that has been as relevant for so long as Ludacris that doesn't have insane cultural impact. His first album did 150k first week and went triple platinum in 2000. In 2010 he realeased Battle of the Sexes, did 150k first week and went Gold. That's a decade of moving albums and making legitmate hit records.
He's even had artists come up under his wing to do numbers. Bobby V, Chingy and we'll count 2Chainz. But the cultural impact doesn't match.
He's even had artists come up under his wing to do numbers. Bobby V, Chingy and we'll count 2Chainz. But the cultural impact doesn't match.
man i bussed to high school thru 4 of the 5 years of eminem's prime. dude was indeed the poster-boy for white america. not no dam nsync or backstreet boys or none of those pop singers who werent even taken seriously. those artists were poster-boys for teeny-boppers & horny teenaged white girls who had eminem posters on their walls their dam selves.
the people protesting eminem were a minority, and at the end of the day, all they did was make him even bigger.what is eminem's impact on hip-hop? being a novelty act? moving alot of units? being the 1st rapper that alot of people knew? you just described lil bow wow.
All that needs to be said.
Hip Hop was definitely paying attention to Eminem and the controversy surrounding him. The controversy came after MMLP hit shelves. He'd already sold nearly 2 million copies in one week at that point. 2001 definitely helped Em because a lot of people weren't sold on Em initially. His appearances on Dre's album helped establish him. Him appearing on songs with Dre made Dre's co-sign official and not just him co-signing an "of the moment" act.
- yes. "we" because im hip-hop. i live & breathe this. im out here as opposed to living hip-hop soley thru the television, internet & press releases.
- sorry to break it to you, but these eminem protests, controversies, etc were NOT hot topics in the black community at all. nobody cared.
- the controversy did not come after MMLP hit shelves. it was brewing off the back of SSLP and was used to fuel the anticipation for MMLP. and i still have that mtv documentary on vhs before mmlp dropped and dam near all of it was about some sort of controversy. whether it was about they gays, dissin his mom, dissin pop stars, killing people, killing his baby moms, drug use, whatever. all that chit was being protested before MMLP even came out.
- and that documentary was apart of EmTV, which was like a whole day or weekend that mtv had dedicated to eminem leading up to MMLP - which is why it sold more than SSLP. there was way more hype leading up to that album.
- dre didnt cosign him as an "of the moment act". he co-signed eminem as his flagship artist!!!! and dre didnt do anything for eminem on 2001 that he didnt already do for him on SSLP. and who are these people that werent sold on eminem initially. eminem was already EMINEM to white folks, and black people had already gave the "OK" for white people to listen to him without feeling ashamed. everybody already knew eminem was a legit lyricist before 2001 came out. all eminem got out of 2001 was the opportunity to be surrounded on camera by a bunch of black guys, before he got the green light to put D12 on.
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