Rapper Lupe Fiasco Breaks Down The History Behind The Authentic Slave Trade Currency He Purchased

[Everythingg]

Were there some people of African descent in the Americas prior to Columbus? There's a good possibility, but guess what -- they would have been integrated into Native nations and there is basically no way of proving any direct connection of a person living today to those pre-Columbian people of African descent. So it is pointless to discuss from anything but a historical and archaelogical standpoint.

You're rambling breh. The indigenous people were black. Period

You're the self-hating dumbass not only disrespecting our African ancestors but also disrespecting Indigenous people by basically saying they are not the rightful owners of the Americas.

away from the original point, which was about the video in the OP. If you want to discuss your dumb dumb nikka shyt, make your own thread about it and keep it there.

This isn't the first time you've done this and honestly you deserve some time in the bushes.

It's sad that we even have to waste time discussing the nonsense you're pushing.

I didn't derail the thread. I disagreed with the premise being espoused in the video which should be allowed on a DISCUSSION forum. This shouldn't be a place where people are forced to agree on subjects

Only agents want to stifle dissenting views..

 

[xoxodede]

American black breh. What does that have to do with anything?



I'm explaining to you that the "common understanding" is wrong. Black people were here before the ones you call native Americans

First one of California Indians the second one of a man from Peru. Now going by today's designation a what is their ethnicity? The "common understanding" native american or black?

Drawings ...

Well, we can also believe Jesus is white huh?

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Your first image is from: The native races of the Pacific states of North America : Bancroft, Hubert Howe, 1832-1918 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

The native races of the Pacific states of North America
by Bancroft, Hubert Howe, 1832-1918

Notes: check the dates 1832-1918 --let's say these are accurate depictions -- they were known to mix with Africans who escaped to North America/Pacific States. Meaning NOT indigenous.

Your Second Image: Palmasur: Trujillo del Peru in the 18th century. Martínez Compañón

Image Caption: Negro.Trujillo del Perú en el Siglo XVIII. Martínez Compañón


A collection of watercolours commissioned by the Bishop of Trujillo D. Baltasar Jaime Martínez Compañón y Bujanda, the originals of which are stored in nine volumes in the Library of the Royal Palace in Madrid. Published between 1987 and 1991 by Ediciones de Cultura Hispánica of the Instituto de Cooperación Iberoamericana in conjunction with the Patrimonio Nacional in Madrid.

D. Baltasar Jaime Martínez Compañón was born in 1735 in Cabredo, Navarra (Spain). After an intensive academic preparation based on Philosophy, Law and Music, he was ordained as a priest. Soon after this he travelled to the New World, having been appointed Bishop of Trujillo en el Virreinato del Peru in 1778 and ten years later Archbishop of Bogotá, where he died in 1797.

Between 1782 and 1785 he journeyed through the vast region that had been placed in his charge in order to acquaint himself with the area and to write its history. He made extensive notes to record his travels and had a series of colour illustrations made (over 1,400) which show the various facets of life in the north west of Peru: from plants, animals and maps to portraits of important people, different ethnic groups and a wide variety of the customs of the region, including the scores of 20 pieces of popular music.

Martínez Compañón sent these illustrations to the King of Spain, Carlos IV. They were grouped into nine volumes, which now form part of the collection of the Royal Library at the Royal Palace in Madrid. He also sent archaeological pieces and a large number of works of art and natural specimens.

Volume I contains a series of maps, plans and drawings relating to the diocese of Trujillo, its provinces and some of its cities, along with portraits of local figures. Volume II includes scenes of local life of the different ethnic groups in the Trujillo area; there are also 18 plates with the scores of the 20 pieces of music of the codex. Volumes III to V are dedicated to the plant kingdom. The following three volumes of the codex are devoted to the animal kingdom and, finally, volume IX illustrates the indigenous past of Peru.

The study of the flora of Peru, comprising 489 plates, was unprecedented in its scope and floral richness, surpassing even the work of the Spanish academics Ruiz and Pavón during their expedition of 1778-1788, which for the first time in America used the taxonomic methods presented by Linneo in his Natural System.

Practically all the images of the Codex Trujillo in Peru in the 18th century can be found in the website of the Biblioteca Virtual Miguel de Cervantes.

 

[Everythingg]

sad comment. You do know natives ain’t messing or claiming you nor your “ancestors.”

They dont like you... keep shouting them out while they dissing and denying you.

fukk I care about a natives opinion?

Native definition: a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth, whether subsequently resident there or not.

I only care about the opinions of my indigenous brehs and brehettes :

Indigenous definition: originating or occurring naturally in a particular place

There's a difference

 

[xoxodede]

You posted something from him and I asked you does it make it true because he said it and you said no. So if no, then what if I find an author that says so and so was black? How do we establish which is correct if you're not just accepting kogers take just because. Your answer?

Find one. I'm pretty sue his white descendants and the US Census would be able to verify, I would even contact them for a certified verification. Cause that's what you do for the truth and not just saying stuff.

 

[xoxodede]

fukk I care about a natives opinion?

Native definition: a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth, whether subsequently resident there or not.

I only care about the opinions of my indigenous brehs and brehettes :

Indigenous definition: originating or occurring naturally in a particular place

There's a difference

Have you done your family tree? LOL Or anything about them at all - meaning names, places they were enslaved or if they were free? anything?

 

[Guvnor]

American black breh. What does that have to do with anything?

So africa is not apart of who you are?

I'm explaining to you that the "common understanding" is wrong. Black people were here before the ones you call native Americans

First one of California Indians the second one of a man from Peru. Now going by today's designation a what is their ethnicity? The "common understanding" native american or black?

Why do these link to Moorish propaganda sites when I google image them. Not only does the second one look fake but I wanna know who made these. Who was the artist that created these?

 

[Everythingg]

I just need more than photos. A lot of people look black and are not. Melanin is not exclusive to black people.

Then that's on you

I keep asking you why indigenous Americans would mention African ancestry and you ain't saying nothing. And now you're saying it doesn't matter if the cacs whom came here called the natives negros and drew them as black with afros. You're still an African brought here on a slave ship. Which is fine. But don't turn around and say you're basing your stance on facts

 

[Guvnor]

Stay your ass out the thread then

You nikkas are worse than white supremacists with your insistence on Africa

Aye, watch your mouth. He is more then welcome to stay here and he is right. This thread is supposed to be about the manilla currency and the video in the OP. He is right to say you are derailing the thread and if anyone needs to go it should be you.

You're coming in here with your stupid bullshyt. I'm just glad you didn't say the word Amexem yet but you need to provide proof and if you can't do that I suggest you leave here.

 

[xoxodede]

Then that's on you

I keep asking you why indigenous Americans would mention African ancestry and you ain't saying nothing. And now you're saying it doesn't matter if the cacs whom came here called the natives negros and drew them as black with afros. You're still an African brought here on a slave ship. Which is fine. But don't turn around and say you're basing your stance on facts

But, your "Cac" stated that in the 1800's. He wasn't alive. He don't know. I gave resources you gave nothing.

 

[xoxodede]

Aye, watch your mouth. He is more then welcome to stay here and he is right. This thread is supposed to be about the manilla currency and the video in the OP. He is right to say you are derailing the thread and if anyone needs to go it should be you.

You're coming in here with your stupid bullshyt. I'm just glad you didn't say the word Amexem yet but you need to provide proof and if you can't do that I suggest you leave here.

I'm sorry for derailing... just hate when people disrespect our ancestors.

 

[Guvnor]

I just need more than photos. A lot of people look black and are not. Melanin is not exclusive to black people.

Facts, I mean the Hawaiians look kind of brown but they aren't black. Some Arabs and middle east folks looks kind of brown but they are not black and the same for the people from India.

 

[xoxodede]

So africa is not apart of who you are?



Why do these link to Moorish propaganda sites when I google image them. Not only does the second one look fake but I wanna know who made these. Who was the artist that created these?

I think people like this are ashamed for some reason - when they should be proud. It really makes me feel bad for them. His family probably from the South or he isn't even Black American/DOS - but fronting.

 

[Everythingg]

Find one. I'm pretty sue his white descendants and the US Census would be able to verify, I would even contact them for a certified verification. Cause that's what you do for the truth and not just saying stuff.

Just answer the question. If koger says they weren't black and another author says they were how do we establish who's telling the truth? Unless you're saying you contacted koger to verify his info and didn't just accept it as true just because?

 

[Guvnor]

I'm sorry for derailing... just hate when people disrespect our ancestors.

Nah it's all good because you are trying to educate him and we are here to learn but I just hate when people try to deny Africa. I agree with you, he is disrespecting our ancestors who many of them died on the way here. Many of them suffered helping to build up the diaspora as we know it today.

He is doing it all because he is buying into the bullshyt pushed by the moorish science temple and similar groups. It's very c00ny.

 

[xoxodede]

Just answer the question. If koger says they weren't black and another author says they were how do we establish who's telling the truth? Unless you're saying you contacted koger to verify his info and didn't just accept it as true just because?

Baby, Kroger didn't say that. Kroger was a Pro-Confederate Racist Historian. He wrote the Black Slave Owners Book -- and it's been used by many Racist, Alt-Right, Pro-Confederate Groups -- and sadly lots of Blacks don't research and verify - like YOU -- and you believe this mess too - without going further to verify.

Carter G. Woodson and other Black, White and Government Census Reps have verified this information since. What else you gotta here. I even told you to contact the Census. They will verify for you as well.