Rapper Lupe Fiasco Breaks Down The History Behind The Authentic Slave Trade Currency He Purchased

[Everythingg]

@Everythingg I give up...

Good. No use debating the truth

More power to you.

That's definitely the case especially when the kingdom of cacs falls

 

[Guvnor]

We should give up. I don’t think he will ever get it.

So....

Why do you feel like Lupe is buying back his future - if they are not specific to his ancestors? I look at the items as lived that were taken and you have to be careful with that type of stuff.

Collectibles and someone else items that are not from your family can cause issues for some. I’m scared of that stuff.

True great point, I never thought about that but look at it like this, I mean it's not something really linked to any of our ancestors here in the diaspora but it was something the Europeans and the Africans who sold our ancestors owned and used as money. With that said, I know what you mean in that they may not have been used to buy his direct ancestors but they may still have been used to buy someone's ancestors and even circulated for other goods after that.

With that said, it may not be that serious because even with the money you have in your wallet right now it may have been once owned by a women who is now dead, if it's a dollar bill it may have been in a strip club and I could go on and on. Currency is something that exchanges hands which is why I don't think it's that serious. It would be one thing if it was a persons personal items, like their clothing for instance however the manillas were used as money and circulated among people for goods as well, not only slaves. It's also similar to the cowrie shell in Nigeria how that was used for money as well though they weren't used to buy slaves. According to Lupe people used these Manillas as currency even after slavery ended. So why do you feel they were taken?

 

[Guvnor]

Double post...

 

[xoxodede]

Its a pic of Inca noblemen lol. But because they're black they're automatically African slaves. Even when in royal clothes draped I'm gold, they're still African slaves lol. Based on what exactly? Nothing but baseless conjecture and speculation. Here's some more "African" slaves too huh?

All African slaves huh?

1) and 3):
Does not depict America -- but Americas. More than likely South Americas. Here is the collection -- it was originally in Black and White - not color. They were indigenous people described as Olive.

: Search Results: MediaCollectionId equal to 'RUMSEY~8~1' - David Rumsey Historical Map Collection

Arnoldus Montanus’ New and Unknown World (1671)


2) Your second image is from 1812 -- the War of 1812 - a Native American War - which you do know African aka Maroons mixed with Natives so that explains the photo depiction. Black aka African Ancestry Native Americans. It was more than a few Native aka Indian Wars - and African/Black people were present and apart of some of those tribes via enslavement or just mixing with them.

 

[Guvnor]

Double post...

 

[Guvnor]

How did you verify that sciences claim in regards to that was true?

Your indigenous to america breh. Not native. There is a difference per the definitions I already brought

Nice try but answer my question first. Our ancestors were not born in America first and life did not start here so how did we get here?

Substantial proof huh? But when ancient depictions are brought that doesn't count. Bringing ancient cacs who say the natives had the same features of Africans doesn't count. Showing cacs lumping the natives in groups with negros doesn't count either. So what is this substantial proof you're looking for and what is it that you've seen (mind you that is substantial) that shows you're African not american?

The real problem is you want to put to test everything I'm telling you but you haven't done the same in regards to what you currently believe. None of that mess about court or taxes is relevant.

I put everything to the test to be honest and what I know holds up to be true but what you are saying holds up to be non-sense. I mean think about it, if the people kicking the shyt you are are going to jail for tax evasion, for squatting on people's land and all kind of silly shyt then that should be a red flag. It's all pseudo information period, even the history. Wake up!

My tribe is a part of me and my tribe was not african




Does it need to be from some CAC website to be legitimate? If so, take comfort that the OG artists were cacs

Sense a pattern breh?

You really posting a moorish meme to support you're argument.

Nah man, you're not too bright. I'm done.

 

[xoxodede]

True great point, I never thought about that but look at it like this, I mean it's not something really linked to any of our ancestors here in the diaspora but it was something the Europeans and the Africans who sold our ancestors owned and used as money. With that said, I know what you mean in that they may not have been used to buy his direct ancestors but they may still have been used to buy someone's ancestors and even circulated for other goods after that.

With that said, it may not be that serious because even with the money you have in your wallet right now it may have been once owned by a women who is now dead, if it's a dollar bill it may have been in a strip club and I could go on and on. Currency is something that exchanges hands which is why I don't think it's that serious. It would be one thing if it was a persons personal items, like their clothing for instance however the manillas were used as money and circulated among people for goods as well, not only slaves. It's also similar to the cowrie shell in Nigeria how that was used for money as well though they weren't used to buy slaves. According to Lupe people used these Manillas as currency even after slavery ended. So why do you feel they were taken?

I agree with that. I didn’t look at it that way - thanks for explaining more.

Not sure. Souvenirs? Metals are valuable too — so that is probably why.

I am going to do some research and try to learn more.

Did you come across any reputable resources?

 

[xoxodede]

Nice try but answer my question first. Our ancestors were not born in America first and life did not start here so how did we get here?


I put everything to the test to be honest and what I know holds up to be true but what you are saying holds up to be non-sense. I mean think about it, if the people kicking the shyt you are are going to jail for tax evasion, for squatting on people's land and all kind of silly shyt then that should be a red flag. It's all pseudo information period, even the history. Wake up!


You really posting a moorish meme to support you're argument.

Nah man, you're not too bright. I'm done.

I don’t get the moorish thing.

Moors are from Mali right and other parts of Africa - they migrated and conquered Iberian pensula and other places. How does that make them indigenous to North America?

What’s their claim — those who believe the moorish stuff?

 

[Bawon Samedi]

@Everythingg

I had enough of your derailment and even after I removed your post you still continue. You're banned from thread. Just be glad I gave no warnings.

 

[Guvnor]

I agree with that. I didn’t look at it that way - thanks for explaining more.

Not sure. Souvenirs? Metals are valuable too — so that is probably why.

I am going to do some research and try to learn more.

Did you come across any reputable resources?

No problem, you're welcome.

Also yeah, they are souvenirs and collectors items for some people. A lot of them would probably end up being souvenirs or on display at a museum if they are not out there already. but prior to that, even in the mid 1900s some places in Africa would still trade them for goods and resources. I'm sure the fact they were metal had some boost to their value and was also how they could tell the real ones from the fake ones as Lupe pointed out because the fakes were lighter. However it's more a trust thing that goes into it when it comes to currency, I mean look at the US dollar for instance it's supposed to be backed by gold and silver but I don't believe it really is, It's more so a value we apply to it but it might be nothing more then paper money at this point. The same for the manillas as well as the cowrie shells of Nigeria. The cowrie shells are very inexpensive and cheap if you look at their worth but they were worth something to the yoruba society.

I haven't done any research yet on the manillas other then look at the wikipedia page on them but let me know if you come across anything when you do your research and I'll also look into it.

I don’t get the moorish thing.

Moors are from Mali right and other parts of Africa - they migrated and conquered Iberian pensula and other places. How does that make them indigenous to North America?

What’s their claim — those who believe the moorish stuff?

Exactly, I don't understand it either. I ask moors and always get different answers but they claim the term Amexem proves we are from America. According to "the honorable" Noble Drew Ali, it's a word used on certain documents. They also speak on some peace and friendship treaty or something like that but I forget. It's a whole lot of rhetoric and talking points they remember when you ask them about it though. I've been arguing and debating with moors for years and it always comes down to non-sense and word games. I've even sat in one of their ustream channels and their is no validity to it from what I have seen.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@Everythingg I give up...

I feel like I’m at school and trying to educate someone who doesn’t want to research and learn for themselves.

Be a Native or Indigenous person ...lol more power to you.

 

[Yehuda]

Fam these are maroons in northwestern Ecuador, the name of the portrait is Los mulatos de Esmeraldas it has nothing to do with the Inca. Matter fact read up on their settlement it's what people now call Republica de los Zambos de Esmeraldas.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Have you done your family tree? LOL Or anything about them at all - meaning names, places they were enslaved or if they were free? anything?

I'm sure he hasn't, none of these clowns espousing that nonsense have. The fact that their family and cultural history is basically a blank slate allows them to make up and believe all types of fantastical things... meanwhile if they actually sat down and did the hard work of true self-discovery and uncovering familial and cultural knowledge, there's no way they'd fukk with any of these goofy positions they push

 

[JahFocus CS]

One of my upcoming research objectives is to sit down and really research the political/economic dynamics of what was going on in West/Central Africa during the slave trade period. This shyt is deep. I never heard of manillas before this video to be honest. Still need to finish watching the entire thing, I'm about halfway through but Lupe's already dropped a ton of knowledge

 

[JahFocus CS]

What Lupe said about enslaved people, across the world, building the foundations for everything