Rapper Lupe Fiasco Breaks Down The History Behind The Authentic Slave Trade Currency He Purchased

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What? So cacs come here meet people who look like you but you and most everybody else were still brought here on slave ships?




Your questions don't even make sense. Why would blacks indigenous to america mention African ancestry?



Of course they wouldn't think of themselves as black or negro since those are ways cacs defined us

People always defined theirselves by tribe/nationalities not skin color

So if they went to India and saw some Indians - were they my people too? They look like they came off slave ships really right?

Again, skin color don’t equal family.

Bringing up religions — wouldn’t it be some type of connection indigenous or not?

Right, and their tribes were Native Americans tribe with darker/tan skintones - not African/Black sir.

 

[Everythingg]

No it’s not.

And again, it’s in the 1800’s not the 1600”s which is where your “cac” source should state.

By the 1800’s the Maroons via the Seminoles and up north like the Iroquois had mixed with ours ancestors making them “negro” — so what is you saying baby?

I got way more in the chamber but before letting it out but the places mentioned are places from California to Brazil to Venezuela and Peru. What tribe are you saying mixed with the people in all these places turning them "negro"?

And funnily enough the depictions show them being black (by todays understanding) in the first place

 

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Okay another black slave owner: Justus angel. Your rebuttal:

I have Google Doc full of names

Your cited example of Justus Angel who owned 84 slaves is addressed by Koger in his endnotes who has determined that many of the Black and mulatto slaveowners listed in Woodson's work are 100% White:

"18. Woodson, 'Free Negro Owners of Slaves', pp. 30-31 (The following persons were reported to be free black slaveholders by Carter G. Woodson but were actually white absentee slaveowners: 1. Frances C. Dalton was a native of England and the wife of Dr. James Dalton. When Mrs. Dalton died in 1846, she was buried in the graveyard of St. Michael's Church, which was a segregated cemetery. — Clara Jervey, ed., Inscriptions of the Tablets and Gravestones in St. Michael's Church and Church yard Charleston, S.C. (Columbia: State Company, 1906), p. 85. 2. Mistress Lucretia Horry of St. Bartholomews Parish was recorded as white on the 1820 census and listed as a white resident of Charleston City by the local directory. -Fourth Census of the United States, 1820: Schedule I, St. Bartholomews Parish, Colleton County, South Carolina, p. 48; Porcher, Directory for 1831, p. 82. 3. Henry Johnson was listed as a white man in the census of 1810. — Third Census of the United States, 1810: Schedule 1, St. Paul's Parish, Colleton County, South Carolina, p. 606. 4. John D. Legare was reported to be a white citizen by the city directory. —Supplement of Charleston Directory for 1836 (Charleston: Dowling, 1836), p. 52. 5. Ephraim Mikell Seabrook was of English ancestry according to Mabel L. Webber. —Mabel L. Webber, "The Early Generations of the Seabrook Family," South Carolina Historical & Genealogical Magazine vol. 17 (January 1916), pp. 63, 67. The other white slaveowners classified as free persons of color were Justine Angel, Martha Ann Mathews, Margaret Stock, Charles Tennent, Nicholas Venning, Robert Yenning, and Daniel J. Warring."
ibid., pg. 23

Black Slaveowners - Free Black Slave Masters in South Carolina, 1790-1860, Larry Koger, pg. 6.


Next?

 

[JahFocus CS]

Yet ANOTHER thread derailed with this dumb dumb nikka shyt

 

[Everythingg]

So if they went to India and saw some Indians - were they my people too? They look like they came off slave ships really right?

Again, skin color don’t equal family.

So we can pull up depictions of people with black skin color and afeo hair being in america before cacs but every black person here still came from Africa on slave ships? Cacs call the native Americans negro but still every black person here came here on slave ships? Native Americans were lumped into the same group as negros but still every black person came here on slave ships?

Bringing up religions — wouldn’t it be some type of connection indigenous or not?

Right, and their tribes were Native Americans tribe with darker/tan skintones - not African/Black sir.

You didn't answer. Why would people indigenous to America mention African ancestry?

 

[Everythingg]

I have Google Doc full of names

Your cited example of Justus Angel who owned 84 slaves is addressed by Koger in his endnotes who has determined that many of the Black and mulatto slaveowners listed in Woodson's work are 100% White:

"18. Woodson, 'Free Negro Owners of Slaves', pp. 30-31 (The following persons were reported to be free black slaveholders by Carter G. Woodson but were actually white absentee slaveowners: 1. Frances C. Dalton was a native of England and the wife of Dr. James Dalton. When Mrs. Dalton died in 1846, she was buried in the graveyard of St. Michael's Church, which was a segregated cemetery. — Clara Jervey, ed., Inscriptions of the Tablets and Gravestones in St. Michael's Church and Church yard Charleston, S.C. (Columbia: State Company, 1906), p. 85. 2. Mistress Lucretia Horry of St. Bartholomews Parish was recorded as white on the 1820 census and listed as a white resident of Charleston City by the local directory. -Fourth Census of the United States, 1820: Schedule I, St. Bartholomews Parish, Colleton County, South Carolina, p. 48; Porcher, Directory for 1831, p. 82. 3. Henry Johnson was listed as a white man in the census of 1810. — Third Census of the United States, 1810: Schedule 1, St. Paul's Parish, Colleton County, South Carolina, p. 606. 4. John D. Legare was reported to be a white citizen by the city directory. —Supplement of Charleston Directory for 1836 (Charleston: Dowling, 1836), p. 52. 5. Ephraim Mikell Seabrook was of English ancestry according to Mabel L. Webber. —Mabel L. Webber, "The Early Generations of the Seabrook Family," South Carolina Historical & Genealogical Magazine vol. 17 (January 1916), pp. 63, 67. The other white slaveowners classified as free persons of color were Justine Angel, Martha Ann Mathews, Margaret Stock, Charles Tennent, Nicholas Venning, Robert Yenning, and Daniel J. Warring."
ibid., pg. 23

Black Slaveowners - Free Black Slave Masters in South Carolina, 1790-1860, Larry Koger, pg. 6.


Next?

So because Larry koger says it that means its true? What if someone else says different?

 

[Everythingg]

Yet ANOTHER thread derailed with this dumb dumb nikka shyt

Stay your ass out the thread then

You nikkas are worse than white supremacists with your insistence on Africa

 

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So because Larry koger says it that means its true? What if someone else says different?

No. Larry Kroger is a pro-confederate historian and not only Carter G. Woodson but many others including u.s. census reps have verified his information was false.

Im not like you - I like facts

 

[Guvnor]

Yes the goalposts move when proven wrong. You laughed at the idea of blacks owning slaves then when shown, you move the goalposts.

Anyways, there is a difference between native Americans and indigenous Americans. And I mean by definition there is a difference. But I'll ask you again, are early depictions proof of who cacs met when they came here? And I mean early depictions drawn by cacs...

Brother I asked you a question, what is your nationality? Whats your ethnicity?

Also the original conversation was about Native American, Native American, Native Americans and not black people. Native American!

Black people, African American people, or negros as we were called when our ancestors was slaves was something you brought into the equation because you are playing with words but when I speak on Native American I am going with the more common understanding. Native Americans such as the Cherokee, Iroquois and Arawaks owned slaves. With that being said show me these depictions and show me your proof for the Native Americans being black. What is your evidence?

 

[JahFocus CS]

Stay your ass out the thread then

You nikkas are worse than white supremacists with your insistence on Africa

Were there some people of African descent in the Americas prior to Columbus? There's a good possibility, but guess what -- they would have been integrated into Native nations and there is basically no way of proving any direct connection of a person living today to those pre-Columbian people of African descent. So it is pointless to discuss from anything but a historical and archaelogical standpoint.

You're the self-hating dumbass not only disrespecting our African ancestors but also disrespecting Indigenous people by basically saying they are not the rightful owners of the Americas.

You can't come up into a thread and totally derail it away from the original point, which was about the video in the OP. If you want to discuss your dumb dumb nikka shyt, make your own thread about it and keep it there.

This isn't the first time you've done this and honestly you deserve some time in the bushes.

It's sad that we even have to waste time discussing the nonsense you're pushing.

 

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So we can pull up depictions of people with black skin color and afeo hair being in america before cacs but every black person here still came from Africa on slave ships? Cacs call the native Americans negro but still every black person here came here on slave ships? Native Americans were lumped into the same group as negros but still every black person came here on slave ships?



You didn't answer. Why would people indigenous to America mention African ancestry?

I just need more than photos. A lot of people look black and are not. Melanin is not exclusive to black people.

 

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Stay your ass out the thread then

You nikkas are worse than white supremacists with your insistence on Africa

sad comment. You do know natives ain’t messing or claiming you nor your “ancestors.”

They dont like you... keep shouting them out while they dissing and denying you.

 

[Everythingg]

Brother I asked you a question, what is your nationality? Whats your ethnicity?

American black breh. What does that have to do with anything?

Also the original conversation was about Native American, Native American, Native Americans and not black people. Native American!

Black people, African American people, or negros as we were called owning slaves was something you brought into the equation because you are playing with words but when I speak on Native American I am going with the more common understanding. Native Americans such as the Cherokee, Iroquois and Arawaks owned slaves. With that being said show me these depictions and show me your proof for the Native Americans being black. What is your evidence?

I'm explaining to you that the "common understanding" is wrong. Black people were here before the ones you call native Americans

First one of California Indians the second one of a man from Peru. Now going by today's designation a what is their ethnicity? The "common understanding" native american or black?

 

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@IllmaticDelta

 

[Everythingg]

No. Larry Kroger is a pro-confederate historian and not only Carter G. Woodson but many others including u.s. census reps have verified his information was false.

Im not like you - I like facts

You posted something from him and I asked you does it make it true because he said it and you said no. So if no, then what if I find an author that says so and so was black? How do we establish which is correct if you're not just accepting kogers take just because. Your answer?