Rapper Lupe Fiasco Breaks Down The History Behind The Authentic Slave Trade Currency He Purchased

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Well, we can also believe Jesus is white huh?

Well is it your opinion that the same people who made Jesus white are the same people who made a people who weren't black, black?
:mjlol:

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Your first image is from: The native races of the Pacific states of North America : Bancroft, Hubert Howe, 1832-1918 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

The native races of the Pacific states of North America
by Bancroft, Hubert Howe, 1832-1918

Notes: check the dates 1832-1918 --let's say these are accurate depictions -- they were known to mix with Africans who escaped to North America/Pacific States. Meaning NOT indigenous.


Show me where you get that those groups mixed with Africans


Your Second Image:
Palmasur: Trujillo del Peru in the 18th century. Martínez Compañón

Image Caption: Negro.Trujillo del Perú en el Siglo XVIII. Martínez Compañón


A collection of watercolours commissioned
by the Bishop of Trujillo D. Baltasar Jaime Martínez Compañón y Bujanda, the originals of which are stored in nine volumes in the Library of the Royal Palace in Madrid. Published between 1987 and 1991 by Ediciones de Cultura Hispánica of the Instituto de Cooperación Iberoamericana in conjunction with the Patrimonio Nacional in Madrid.


D. Baltasar Jaime Martínez Compañón was born in 1735 in Cabredo, Navarra (Spain). After an intensive academic preparation based on Philosophy, Law and Music, he was ordained as a priest. Soon after this he travelled to the New World, having been appointed Bishop of Trujillo en el Virreinato del Peru in 1778 and ten years later Archbishop of Bogotá, where he died in 1797.

Between 1782 and 1785 he journeyed through the vast region that had been placed in his charge in order to acquaint himself with the area and to write its history. He made extensive notes to record his travels and had a series of colour illustrations made (over 1,400) which show the various facets of life in the north west of Peru: from plants, animals and maps to portraits of important people, different ethnic groups and a wide variety of the customs of the region, including the scores of 20 pieces of popular music.

Martínez Compañón sent these illustrations to the King of Spain, Carlos IV. They were grouped into nine volumes, which now form part of the collection of the Royal Library at the Royal Palace in Madrid. He also sent archaeological pieces and a large number of works of art and natural specimens.

Volume I contains a series of maps, plans and drawings relating to the diocese of Trujillo, its provinces and some of its cities, along with portraits of local figures. Volume II includes scenes of local life of the different ethnic groups in the Trujillo area; there are also 18 plates with the scores of the 20 pieces of music of the codex. Volumes III to V are dedicated to the plant kingdom. The following three volumes of the codex are devoted to the animal kingdom and, finally, volume IX illustrates the indigenous past of Peru.

The study of the flora of Peru, comprising 489 plates, was unprecedented in its scope and floral richness, surpassing even the work of the Spanish academics Ruiz and Pavón during their expedition of 1778-1788, which for the first time in America used the taxonomic methods presented by Linneo in his Natural System.

Practically all the images of the Codex Trujillo in Peru in the 18th century can be found in the website of the Biblioteca Virtual Miguel de Cervantes.

What are you reading? The link is talking about the artist being born in the 1700s. What point are you making? As well, there's more where that came from
 

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I think people like this are ashamed for some reason - when they should be proud. It really makes me feel bad for them. His family probably from the South or he isn't even Black American/DOS - but fronting.

Yep, I feel a lot of them have self hate issues to be honest.
fukk I care about a natives opinion? :what:

Native definition: a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth, whether subsequently resident there or not.

I only care about the opinions of my indigenous brehs and brehettes :

Indigenous definition: originating or occurring naturally in a particular place

There's a difference :blessed:
Alright so if we are Native's to this land how did we get here. According to modern science the oldest living humans came from Africa. How did we end up in America? :jbhmm:
 

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Aye, watch your mouth. He is more then welcome to stay here and he is right. This thread is supposed to be about the manilla currency and the video in the OP. He is right to say you are derailing the thread and if anyone needs to go it should be you.

You're coming in here with your stupid bullshyt. I'm just glad you didn't say the word Amexem yet but you need to provide proof and if you can't do that I suggest you leave here.

fukk outta here bruh. This should be a place where agreeing and dissenting opinions are allowed. Yet y'all in here whining because I don't come join a circle jerk about Africa and slavery that is based on nothing but narratives

That doesn't mean that people HAVE to agree with me but if they disagree they should be able to logically explain why. Which he didn't and can't do
 

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Well is it your opinion that the same people who made Jesus white are the same people who made a people who weren't black, black?
:mjlol:



Show me where you get that those groups mixed with Africans




What are you reading? The link is talking about the artist being born in the 1700s. What point are you making? As well, there's more where that came from


Sigh...

A famous rebellion in Mexico's history was led by an African slave named Gaspar Yanga, around the year 1570. Believed to be a member of the royal house of Gabon, Africa, this hero was responsible for leading his fellow black slaves in a successful revolt. Under Yanga�s leadership, these slaves were able to escape to safety in the highlands of Veracruz.

Remarkably, after 30 years of living in the mountains, Yanga was able to negotiate a treaty with the Spanish. This treaty was hard won and only obtained after great hardship. However, in the end, Yanga achieved his desired goal of his community remaining free. Today, the town of Yanga in Veracruz is living testimony to his incredible achievement.
Vicente Guerrero
The mingling of blood that occurred between the Spanish and Indigenous Indians of Mexico also took place with African slaves. Historians differ on the actual number of slaves brought to Mexico during the colonial expansion. Some scholars believe 200,000 slaves were brought to Mexico for manual labor purposes, while others believe the true number totaled far more, upwards to 500,000.

Some of the blood of these enslaved blacks co-mingled with that of the Indigenous Indians as well as the Spanish. This �third root� of the Mestizo race is a topic seldom acknowledged. Traditionally, the Mestizo race is identified as being a mixture of European and Indigenous Indian blood. In truth, it can also include the blood of Africans. Over the years, this bloodline has been absorbed into the fabric of the Mexican population.

The first blacks to come to Mexico, as well as their descendants, have greatly influenced Mexican culture. Throughout the centuries, Afro-Mexicans have made enormous contributions to the country and deserve recognition for their many accomplishments. Afro-Mexicans share a rich history and count heroes and presidents amongst their ancestors.


History of Blacks in Mexico - Afro-Mexican Influences - Mexico

Here's more information: The African Presence In New Spain, c. 1528-1700


The Second Image says: NEGRO
Again read: The African Presence In New Spain, c. 1528-1700
 

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Yep, I feel a lot of them have self hate issues to be honest.

Alright so if we are Native's to this land how did we get here. According to modern science the oldest living humans came from Africa. How did we end up in America? :jbhmm:

We should give up. I don’t think he will ever get it.

So....

Why do you feel like Lupe is buying back his future - if they are not specific to his ancestors? I look at the items as lived that were taken and you have to be careful with that type of stuff.

Collectibles and someone else items that are not from your family can cause issues for some. I’m scared of that stuff.
 

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fukk outta here bruh. This should be a place where agreeing and dissenting opinions are allowed. Yet y'all in here whining because I don't come join a circle jerk about Africa and slavery that is based on nothing but narratives

That doesn't mean that people HAVE to agree with me but if they disagree they should be able to logically explain why. Which he didn't and can't do
It's one thing if you had substantial proof to back up your claims but at this point you don't seem to so your a distraction and derailing the thread.

I agree that not everyone has to agree with you but you are regurgitating dangerous rhetoric I've seen before. The same dangerous rhetroic that has gotten Deon Sanders ex-wife arrested and numerous other brother and sisters arrested. It's not grounded in fact but is pseudo science and paper terrorism. You may not agree with the people who try to avoid paying taxes section of the thing, or the claiming people's land as your own part but what you are kicking in this thread is false history which is dangerous too if you ask me.
 

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So africa is not apart of who you are?

My tribe is a part of me and my tribe was not african


:jbhmm: Why do these link to Moorish propaganda sites when I google image them. Not only does the second one look fake but I wanna know who made these. Who was the artist that created these?

Does it need to be from some CAC website to be legitimate? If so, take comfort that the OG artists were cacs

inca.jpg


blackegyptindiansmexicans.jpg


Sense a pattern breh? :sas2:
 

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Yep, I feel a lot of them have self hate issues to be honest.

Alright so if we are Native's to this land how did we get here. According to modern science the oldest living humans came from Africa. How did we end up in America? :jbhmm:

How did you verify that sciences claim in regards to that was true?

Your indigenous to america breh. Not native. There is a difference per the definitions I already brought
 

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It's one thing if you had substantial proof to back up your claims but at this point you don't seem to so your a distraction and derailing the thread.

I agree that not everyone has to agree with you but you are regurgitating dangerous rhetoric I've seen before. The same dangerous rhetroic that has gotten Deon Sanders ex-wife arrested and numerous other brother and sisters arrested. It's not grounded in fact but is pseudo science and paper terrorism. You may not agree with the people who try to avoid paying taxes section of the thing, or the claiming people's land as your own part but what you are kicking in this thread is false history which is dangerous too if you ask me.

Substantial proof huh? But when ancient depictions are brought that doesn't count. Bringing ancient cacs who say the natives had the same features of Africans doesn't count. Showing cacs lumping the natives in groups with negros doesn't count either. So what is this substantial proof you're looking for and what is it that you've seen (mind you that is substantial) that shows you're African not american?

The real problem is you want to put to test everything I'm telling you but you haven't done the same in regards to what you currently believe. None of that mess about court or taxes is relevant.
 

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My tribe is a part of me and my tribe was not african




Does it need to be from some CAC website to be legitimate? If so, take comfort that the OG artists were cacs

inca.jpg


blackegyptindiansmexicans.jpg


Sense a pattern breh? :sas2:


Please read that link. You are making yourself look crazy. Read history not just look at pictures :smile:

This is why they are black - from Africa! :smile: they were not indigenous...

Two years later, in 1519, following Cordóba’s news, Velázquez commissioned Hernán Cortes to undertake further explorations. Cortes assembled a diverse party of sailors and soldiers that included Spaniards, Indigenous Cubans, and Africans totaling approximately 550 men organized into eleven companies. His eventual objective was to conquer the wealthy Aztecempire. After engaging in protracted battles and strategy building, the fall of
Tenochtitlán, the seat of the empire, came to pass on August 13, 1521. In that decisive episode, at least six black men were among Spain’s forces.
One identifiable by name was African born — likely from Morocco — Juan Garrido. Garrido was enslaved and fought in the Caribbean as early as 1503, but when he participated in Spain’s founding of New Spain he did so as a free man.
Among his accomplishments as a contingent in the conquest, he is credited with being the first person to grow wheat in New Spain. Later in his life, Garrido established a family and lived in Mexico City.
An additional instance of an early African presence in the conquest period is found in the story of Juan Valiente, a slave in Mexico City, who in 1533 negotiated with his owner for permission to participate in wars of conquest south of New Spain on the condition that he share any wealth he amassed with his owner. Valiente eventually traveled to Guatemala, Peru, and Chile, successfully earning a position of captaincy and an encomienda, a
Spanish grant that provided him access to native labor and paid tribute to him.


note: your picture is from the late 1500’s — Africans were in those areas as slaves in the early 1500. Hence why they are black :smile:
 

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A famous rebellion in Mexico's history was led by an African slave named Gaspar Yanga, around the year 1570. Believed to be a member of the royal house of Gabon, Africa, this hero was responsible for leading his fellow black slaves in a successful revolt. Under Yanga�s leadership, these slaves were able to escape to safety in the highlands of Veracruz.

Remarkably, after 30 years of living in the mountains, Yanga was able to negotiate a treaty with the Spanish. This treaty was hard won and only obtained after great hardship. However, in the end, Yanga achieved his desired goal of his community remaining free. Today, the town of Yanga in Veracruz is living testimony to his incredible achievement.
Vicente Guerrero
The mingling of blood that occurred between the Spanish and Indigenous Indians of Mexico also took place with African slaves. Historians differ on the actual number of slaves brought to Mexico during the colonial expansion. Some scholars believe 200,000 slaves were brought to Mexico for manual labor purposes, while others believe the true number totaled far more, upwards to 500,000.

Some of the blood of these enslaved blacks co-mingled with that of the Indigenous Indians as well as the Spanish. This �third root� of the Mestizo race is a topic seldom acknowledged. Traditionally, the Mestizo race is identified as being a mixture of European and Indigenous Indian blood. In truth, it can also include the blood of Africans. Over the years, this bloodline has been absorbed into the fabric of the Mexican population.

The first blacks to come to Mexico, as well as their descendants, have greatly influenced Mexican culture. Throughout the centuries, Afro-Mexicans have made enormous contributions to the country and deserve recognition for their many accomplishments. Afro-Mexicans share a rich history and count heroes and presidents amongst their ancestors.


History of Blacks in Mexico - Afro-Mexican Influences - Mexico

Here's more information: The African Presence In New Spain, c. 1528-1700


The Second Image says: NEGRO
Again read: The African Presence In New Spain, c. 1528-1700

Now you need to show how this group in mexico is responsible for the race mixing in California, Brazil, Venezuela, Peru, and mexico all at the same time. What led you to believe that?

Negro means black. So again I ask, what point are you making when the artist of the black man in Peru was born in the 1700$ and not the 90s when the painting was officially published?
 

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Now you need to show how this group in mexico is responsible for the race mixing in California, Brazil, Venezuela, Peru, and mexico all at the same time. What led you to believe that?

Negro means black. So again I ask, what point are you making when the artist of the black man in Peru was born in the 1700$ and not the 90s when the painting was officially published?

Dude, the slave trade was in the South and North Americas as well. It was indigenous people everywhere but the slave trade was all over. They are going to mix time they arrive — it happens!

I can’t do your homework. You need to if you want to be taken serious and seriously debate.


Brazil :
Slavery in Brazil - Wikipedia

The African Slave Trade and Slave Life | Brazil: Five Centuries of Change


The other point via Negro — is Africans were already in the area they were already enslaved, they had a history there — some were free — hence you can be a Negro or black there and be African or of African descent. Do you get it?

Basically, I am saying those pictures are of people from Africa or the offspring of enslaved or free Africans in those areas. Africans that were brought from Africa to be slaves.
 

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Please read that link. You are making yourself look crazy. Read history not just look at pictures :smile:

This is why they are black - from Africa! :smile: they were not indigenous...

Two years later, in 1519, following Cordóba’s news, Velázquez commissioned Hernán Cortes to undertake further explorations. Cortes assembled a diverse party of sailors and soldiers that included Spaniards, Indigenous Cubans, and Africans totaling approximately 550 men organized into eleven companies. His eventual objective was to conquer the wealthy Aztecempire. After engaging in protracted battles and strategy building, the fall of
Tenochtitlán, the seat of the empire, came to pass on August 13, 1521. In that decisive episode, at least six black men were among Spain’s forces.
One identifiable by name was African born — likely from Morocco — Juan Garrido. Garrido was enslaved and fought in the Caribbean as early as 1503, but when he participated in Spain’s founding of New Spain he did so as a free man.
Among his accomplishments as a contingent in the conquest, he is credited with being the first person to grow wheat in New Spain. Later in his life, Garrido established a family and lived in Mexico City.
An additional instance of an early African presence in the conquest period is found in the story of Juan Valiente, a slave in Mexico City, who in 1533 negotiated with his owner for permission to participate in wars of conquest south of New Spain on the condition that he share any wealth he amassed with his owner. Valiente eventually traveled to Guatemala, Peru, and Chile, successfully earning a position of captaincy and an encomienda, a
Spanish grant that provided him access to native labor and paid tribute to him.


note: your picture is from the late 1500’s — Africans were in those areas as slaves in the early 1500. Hence why they are black :smile:

Its a pic of Inca noblemen lol. But because they're black they're automatically African slaves. Even when in royal clothes draped I'm gold, they're still African slaves lol. Based on what exactly? Nothing but baseless conjecture and speculation. Here's some more "African" slaves too huh?

a7d4a7aab9b6732fc57516c8c8748401--black-indians-true-nature.jpg


3B-GR07-Contacts-with-Native-Americans.jpg


7c74d05bd545360b44ba148a52a47a68--native-american-princesses.jpg


All African slaves huh? :mjlol:
 

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@Everythingg I give up...

I feel like I’m at school and trying to educate someone who doesn’t want to research and learn for themselves.

Be a Native or Indigenous person ...lol more power to you.
 

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Dude, the slave trade was in the South and North Americas as well. It was indigenous people everywhere but the slave trade was all over. They are going to mix time they arrive — it happens!

I can’t do your homework. You need to if you want to be taken serious and seriously debate.

No you create a premise where anyone black with wooly hair is automatically African. Thus any drawing of said people being over here BEFORE cacs automatically gets put in an African box. That's not homework. That's baseless assumption unless you have something to support those assumptions


Brazil :
Slavery in Brazil - Wikipedia

The African Slave Trade and Slave Life | Brazil: Five Centuries of Change


The other point via Negro — is Africans were already in the area they were already enslaved, they had a history there — some were free — hence you can be a Negro or black there and be African or of African descent. Do you get it?

Basically, I am saying those pictures are of people from Africa or the offspring of enslaved or free Africans in those areas. Africans that were brought from Africa to be slaves.

Nope. You can believe cacs brought millions upon millions of Africans over here but I can't. And I can't because I know cacs was getting ran thru by blacks in Europe for centuries before even stepping foot in america. But your narrative would have me believe that they got ran thru by brehs in Europe, came out of that oppression, came to america and defeated the natives, then went to Africa to defeat/enslave Africans, then brought millions upon millions of them to populate north and south america. And again, this is right after they were getting beat upside the head for centuries by black brehs in Europe. A point you'd probably argue against too.

None of these narratives are believable anymore and best believe if I'm around when theyre getting espoused, I'm gonna call them out
 
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