Rap Music, Brainwashed Youth, and the Power of Hip Hop Culture

[theworldismine13]

What is your argument then? And describe black culture to me?

My argument is that rap music has an oversized influence on black culture and it's not improving black culture and it's not taking black culture where we want to be going

Black culture is the common customs and habits of African Americans

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

By discouraging academic excellence as a form of black identity, by discouraging self analysis, by encouraging looking outside for solutions instead of inward and by encouraging immature behavior past childhood

Name me a few rap songs that emphasizing not learning, or that being educated is a white trait.....Also still waiting on that description of black culture. I am not stating that rap can't influence a poorly parented kid, but to say that its the cause of the black community's ills is short sighted and borderline irresponsible, because it dismisses some of the core reasons.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Thread is lazy as fukk and somehow makes the white man even LESS accountable for his influence on the state of the black and latino community.

Statistical proof that crime is a result of poverty...yet hip hop is brainwashing the youth....fukking mindboggling shyt that goes on in Higher Learning.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

My argument is that rap music has an oversized influence on black culture and it's not improving black culture and it's not taking black culture where we want to be going

Black culture is the common customs and habits African Americans

WTF is the common customs and habits of African Americans? Are we a monolith now....This is abstract as hell..

Humor me man, what common customs and habits are you referring too that are exclusively African American that can be classified as cultural? You are seriously downplaying what culture is and how it effects people..

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Thread is lazy as fukk and somehow makes the white man even LESS accountable for his influence on the state of the black and latino community.

Statistical proof that crime is a result of poverty...yet hip hop is brainwashing the youth....fukking mindboggling shyt that goes on in Higher Learning.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Very.....If you feel this way with good reason, it shouldn't be a problem to explain how mainstream raps makes kids "way stupider"(your words, not mine)

Hip-Hop is almost exclusively vapid, the subject matter revolves only around things like sex, drugs, money and taking the easy way out. Kids in the suburbs usually have two-parent households and stronger families who help them understand the difference between reality and entertainment, so while they may be influenced by this kind of trash early on in life, they have more of a chance to steer clear in the future. Kids in the hood on the other hand identify with rappers/hip-hop personalities and try to emulate them and be them, it's not just entertainment. They see drug dealers in their neighborhood making easy money, and then listen to make-believe drug dealers glorifying that lifestyle on record....it's only natural that they are going to gravitate towards that.

There's a site you can go to that has black folk and other people in the hood looking like idiots 24-7. It's called worldstarHIPHOP.com

There was a thread on here a few days ago where Jay was saying how his experience as a drug dealer in the past is helping him presently I mean, come on man, why even bring that up? You don't see a problem with any of this? How can you look at all this and say that Hip-Hop doesn't have a problem? How you can see how Hip-Hop connects with the youth and wish it didn't do so in a more empowering/positive way? I dont understand.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

The ironic part about this thread is that this site is filled with people who grew up on hip hop but did'nt turn out to be gangbangers or drug dealers.

I come from a large family (my mom and pops were both one of 10) so you know I have a shytload of cousins and other close family members. Almost all of my cousins and I are first generation in this country, almost all of us are college educated or better and ALL of us grew up on hip hop, reggae, and calypso.

I have no record an aside from the few knuckleheads in the fam who do, no one is doing hard time or anything like that. Hip hop did'nt influence any of us, it was simply the music of the time.

And not all of us grew up in two parent househoulds either. shyt some grew up with grandmothers and aunts because the parents weren't around.

Yet I'd say 90% of my contemporaries are successful or accomplished. My shyt is not anecdotal, and it's not the norm but its very situation invalidates the drivel posted in this thread.

White folks railed against the various forms of Rock music from the 60's, 70's and 80's and it was just as fukking absurd. We even reflected on that fact in 90's. And if you want to be real, this is no different, save for maybe the language being used. Yet this simple fact seems to me missing from the logic chain of these lost brothers who choose to blame hip hop for the communities ills.

Should we find more poetic ways to proclaim our misogyny and male dominance? Wake the fukk up...this shyt goes in cycles, it's just that the black community has been beat in the head so much by...another faction...in this country, that they've actually started to believe the bullshyt.

Stop blaming societies ills on fukking music you retards...don't you see that's part of their fukking plan? To make minorities (and the oppressed in general) feel like their reasons for not getting ahead are their strictly their own, right down to the clothes they wear and the music they listen to?

The shyt is so transparent and yet dudes are looking at some OTHER shyt? Why?

 

[Robbie3000]

Yep, the main lesson of the past ten years is that if you stop and frisk blacks and Latinos and jail them and give them large sentences for every infraction and bring in white people to take over black neighborhoods crime will drop

It's not a good look or anything to be celebrating

It hasn't only dropped in NYC you fukking idiots. It's all over the country. From Atlanta to Los Angles. Areas that are not being gentrified to the same degree as NYC.

And a drop in the murder rate from 2000+ in 1992 to 600 in 2013 in a city of 10 million people is a significant improvement.

 

[theworldismine13]

Thread is lazy as fukk and somehow makes the white man even LESS accountable for his influence on the state of the black and latino community.

Statistical proof that crime is a result of poverty...yet hip hop is brainwashing the youth....fukking mindboggling shyt that goes on in Higher Learning.

yeah it definitely ignores white people, that is part of the point, black people need to talk amongst ourselves about black culture, yeah i know its horrifying to think of black people doing something independently of white people. but trust me we will be ok

and there actually isnt statistical proof that crime is a result of poverty, for the past 10 years poverty has been increasing in the US and crime has been decreasing

 

[theworldismine13]

It hasn't only dropped in NYC you fukking idiots. It's all over the country. From Atlanta to Los Angles. Areas that are not being gentrified to the same degree as NYC.

And a drop in the murder rate from 2000+ in 1992 to 600 in 2013 in a city of 10 million people is a significant improvement.

yeah but mass incarceration of blacks and white people invading formerly black neighborhoods has been happening from atlanta to los angeles, numbskull

 

[IVS]

Rappers are the house n!ggers of these times. Most of them are clamoring to be a part of a masters house (aka joining a label.) They are given money in advance based upon how much revenue the master believes he can generate off the talents or acts of the "artist." The slave, oops I mean artist must repay his masters debt before he can earn money for himself. In generating this revenue via his acts, he may does accumulate some wealth which he\she usually uses to enrich the other masters (European fashion houses, automakers, banking houses, Alcoholic beverage companies,etc.) The artist promotes everything european and even identifies their culture as superior while denigrating his own. The skill to sell and propagate a message is of great use to their masters.

And we'll notice how the music was hijacked and subverted by the current masters. Rap started out as party music and social commentary. The social commentary portion has been stricken out and the party aspect was emphasized. From there the masters infused the drug and gang culture into the music, and ultra materialsm. After that the strip club culture was merged into it. And with each change came a new iteration of the music and it definitely effects the mindset of the people. It is all by design though. This is just one aspect of what I call the Invisible Plantation.

 

[emoney]

Even back in the late 80s, you had Public Enemy and Ice Cube speaking on the consequences of negative behavior. After 91 or so, people went on the deep end of glorification of street life. West coast artists lived for that gang colors shyt, while east coast artists went about the mafia shyt. The same old heads that talk about 90s rap are the same ones that try to cover up the fact that they gave birth to ratchedness in Hip Hop.

exactly! so called golden age of hip-hop ushered in and fathered all this negativity that is still prevalent in the culture. Look who the GOATs are....Pac and Biggie who glorified gang banging and mafia culture.

 

[The Real]

yeah it definitely ignores white people, that is part of the point, black people need to talk amongst ourselves about black culture, yeah i know its horrifying to think of black people doing something independently of white people. but trust me we will be ok

and there actually isnt statistical proof that crime is a result of poverty, for the past 10 years poverty has been increasing in the US and crime has been decreasing

There is absolutely a direct correlation between crime and poverty. It's obviously not a straight, linear, monocausal one, but the idea that there isn't statistical proof that there is some kind of causal relationship between them is absurd. It's the consensus right now, and there's even a general mathematical system that maps the correlation. For example:
http://mtbi.asu.edu/downloads/Document8.pdf

 

[theworldismine13]

WTF is the common customs and habits of African Americans? Are we a monolith now....This is abstract as hell..

Humor me man, what common customs and habits are you referring too that are exclusively African American that can be classified as cultural? You are seriously downplaying what culture is and how it effects people..

im just giving you the standard definition of culture, if you ask that question about _______ culture the answer would be the same, ______ culture is the common customs and habits of _______, you can insert any society or group of people into those blanks

i really wish you would stop inserting words in my mouth, monolithism or exclusivity is not a requirement, simply a large percentage of people engaging in something would make something part of a culture

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Are people in Higher Learning trying to claim that "ratchetness" is something spawned as a result of hip hop and the black community? Is that what I'm really fukking reading here???

nikkas are trying to OWN being a "degenerate" and claim that it's hip hops fault?

Ozzie bit the head off of bats
Hair bands objectified and sexualized women (and men )

Countless bands used suggestive lyrics...COUNTLESS

A number of hard rock and metal bands were explicitly against the notion of organized religion of lack of freedom of expression.

White community...still intact

YET HIP HOP...is the reason for the brainwashed youth in the black community???