Larry Lobster
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Rap Music, Brainwashed Youth, and the Power of Hip Hop Culture
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the whole " its just a reflection" was valid in the early years of rap especially when everybody was young
but first of all, its completely false to suggest that art, any art for that matter, is just a reflection of society, society and art go together, society effects art and art effects society, the notion that its a one way street is a lie, and its a lie that has been used to make excuses for degeneracy
secondly there is the issue of youth, it is true to a certain extent that children and young people cant be held totally accountable for what they say or do, but that doesnt fly with grown ass men, grown ass men are responsible for what they say, and they are also responsible for their community, rap music went off the deep end when we started saying that grown ass men arent responsible for what they say
that is how you get lil wayne insulting emmet till and his excuse is that essentially that even though im a grown ass man, im a rapper and therefore i dont have to take responsibility for what i say
its very obvious that rap music is creating man-children, which leads to the last point, there is no
coming to save black kids and black neighborhoods, black people are responsible for repairing black neighborhoods, but if black people is full of man children that are being told that they dont have to take responsibility for their community or that their is nothing wrong with what they are doing, then it makes it that much harder to fix communitiesthe fundamental thing wrong with rap is rap music trying to normalize being a man-child
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the whole " its just a reflection" was valid in the early years of rap especially when everybody was young
but first of all, its completely false to suggest that art, any art for that matter, is just a reflection of society, society and art go together, society effects art and art effects society, the notion that its a one way street is a lie, and its a lie that has been used to make excuses for degeneracy
secondly there is the issue of youth, it is true to a certain extent that children and young people cant be held totally accountable for what they say or do, but that doesnt fly with grown ass men, grown ass men are responsible for what they say, and they are also responsible for their community, rap music went off the deep end when we started saying that grown ass men arent responsible for what they say
that is how you get lil wayne insulting emmet till and his excuse is that essentially that even though im a grown ass man, im a rapper and therefore i dont have to take responsibility for what i say
its very obvious that rap music is creating man-children, which leads to the last point, there is no
the fundamental thing wrong with rap is rap music trying to normalize being a man-child
Are you serious right now? Are you even black for real?....Maybe you are and just live vicariously through an imaginary online black militant......But any nikka,,,and I mean any nikka that grew up in the struggle that you online cats try to relate too, knows for a fact that environment created these lyrics and personas....For every nikka persona yall think that is a product of rap, I knew one in real life when I was a 7/8 year old, before rap even popped off like that........
first of all do you even have any reading comprehension, let me repeat what i said, what i said is that "its the environment" is only an acceptable excuse for kids and young people, its not an excuse that a grown person should use
second of all i said that society and art work hand in hand and they both impact each other, its a two way street, society impacts are and art impact society
third of all, just stop with that all extra, over the top, black struggle shyt, foh, the fuk you know about any struggle?
fourth of all
the rap industry
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first of all do you even have any reading comprehension, let me repeat what i said, what i said is that "its the environment" is only an acceptable excuse for kids and young people, its not an excuse that a grown person should use
second of all i said that society and art work hand in hand and they both impact each other, its a two way street, society impacts are and art impact society
third of all, just stop with that all extra, over the top, black struggle shyt, foh, the fuk you know about any struggle?
fourth of all
My reading comprehension is fine.....And since when did grown people become immune to wanna better themselves by any means necessary....??
A nikka reaches the age of 28 and all of a sudden he loses the desire to be free from the man and having the financial means to take care of his family without worry....?? The OGs I'm talking about didn't start hustling until the opportunity presented itself and all of em were late 20s early 30s.....
Yall act like Frank Lucas, Nicky Barnes, Freeway Ricky, Giselda Blanco, Al Capone, Bumpy Johnson, Pablo Escoba, etc, heard a trap album and decided they wanted to sell dope....
Pushing weight was here way before Ice T broke the game down on wax via Rhyme Pays....And the only reason you wanna call the "struggle" over the top is because you aint never had to struggle in your life and truth be told, you would never come within in 3 square miles of where I'm staying right now....Everything you talking about is because you're shame of how it looks in front of white folks....You have not addressed any underlining issues at all....
Again....To say that rap is exclusively influencing black people in a country that committed genocide against the Natives, brought the African over here in chains via chattel slavery, incited domestic terrorism in the form of Jim Crow, instituted a culture of greed and wage disparity through Reagonomics....infiltrated segregated black neighborhoods with narcotics via the CIA, allows the unregulated viewing of hardcore porn via the internet, etc, etc, etc......makes you look absolutely mental......
Yall go on and on about rap like its the culprit, when its the result......Again, the first livewire drug dealers I knew didn't even know what rap was for real.....Yall get on here and make up shyt to suit yall own personal taste
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4-5yrs back i personally wrote a letter to def jam records when beanie sigel dropped that one single that he said never shot a nikka in his back i always put drame to his face.
this was just after the acquital of his attempted murder case. the internets on sohh was going crazy on his vid but i had a different feeling. i wasnt there to know the facts but i'd had it with sigel.
i've never really paid attention to beanie sigle music. i think sigel is a talented rapper. i liked the diss track to jay-z. that's the only track i can say i've played most.
but me personally i've done it (gone at labels). his album flopped or didn't see light of day.
but since then i've changed my stance on who to hold accountable. i don't hold the rappers accountable anymore. i blame the record labels. i think if we put pressure on labels they will put pressure on the artists. (if they're socially responsible. but i know they aren't). i'd rather labels distract us with twerk songs than drug dealing and song promoting crime. trust me, when you're victim of a violent crime you wake the fuq up
i will never forget august 2010
they was playing meek mill in their car too as they drove lurking and tried to take my life 
don't know how the hell i survived that
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i don't agree with this..
obviously you dont, the fundamental point i was trying to make is that there is a two way street between art and society, society effects art and art effects society
if you have reading comprehension why do you keep saying that im am saying that environment doesnt effect people, any reading of my post would clearly show that i was saying that people are impacted by their environment, and that comes out in the art
but my point was that its also the other way around, art can effect society and how people think
its a two way street, and there has never been a society in human history where art and society do not have a symbiotic relationship, and its wrong to suggest that the relationship between rap music and the hood is simply one of rappers reflecting their environment, rap also has an effect on the environment, like any other art form does
so its a lie to say that rap music has no impact on people and its wrong for grown ass people to use that excuse for degeneracy in rap
i have no idea what this means or what it has to do with anything im saying
what im saying is that grown ass people should not be acting like little kids, if you are 15 years old and you make a rap lyric about pounding the p*ssy like emmet till, i think thats bad, but it is sort of excusable, but i dont think a grown ass black man has an excuse for that, and rap music has created an environment where grown ass black people have an excuse for acting like kids
A nikka reaches the age of 28 and all of a sudden he loses the desire to be free from the man and having the financial means to take care of his family without worry....?? The OGs I'm talking about didn't start hustling until the opportunity presented itself and all of em were late 20s early 30s.....
Yall act like Frank Lucas, Nicky Barnes, Freeway Ricky, Giselda Blanco, Al Capone, Bumpy Johnson, Pablo Escoba, etc, heard a trap album and decided they wanted to sell dope....
to be honest i have no idea what the hell you are babbling about, or what it has to do with rap music, is this the "struggle" that you were referring to? are you saying todays's rappers are the equivalent to gangsters from back in the day? are you saying that black people selling drugs and ruining black neighborhoods is suppose to be the "struggle"?
"pushing weight" ie selling poison is done by brain washed irresponsible black people
and this whole notion of bragging about how tough your neighborhood is another form of brainwashing
what real non brain washed black people are trying to do is create safe prosperous neighborhoods where black people can live in peace and quite, trying to create that is the only black struggle im aware of and if you are not part of that struggle then fukk you
everything that i am saying in this thread is about how the rap industry is distorting black culture and pushing it in a negative direction, and its not about white people, its about black people, if rap music leads black culture in a negative direction then that is a shame
i am addressing the underlying issue, the underlying issue is culture, and im saying rap music is leading black culture in the wrong direction
i find this statement to be highly irritating, where did i say that rap is exclusively influencing black people
you are basically putting words in my mouth and then arguing against what you said that i said
what i said and what the article i posted said is that rap music is leading black people in the wrong direction
and if you are waiting for white people or an outside force to address those issues you are delusional and misguided, black people are responsible for addressing the issues and if any black person is not doing their part to address those issues then they are not part of the real struggle, and imo rap music, rappers and the rap industry are not part of the struggle and they do not represent the direction that black people should be headed in culturally
you keep saying that you have reading comprehension but you keep making the wrong assertion
i didnt say rap music doesnt reflect the envirnment, what i said is that its a two way street, rap music also effects the environment and that in every human society that has ever existed art and society are symbiotic and they both impact each other
so its incorrect to describe rap music as simply a product of the environment,
capish???
i and the author get that part about rap being a reflection, what we are saying is that we need to talk about what happens in the other direction, what is the impact of rap on the environment?
if you are going to argue, at least argue with what i am actually saying
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Obviously there were people 'recalling their street experiences' in rap, but it eventually turned into something that influenced a lot of kids to enter into the street life.That whole 'rap is just a reflection of street life and is just reporting the realities of the street' talk is nonsense. A lot of that stuff was going on in the 70s and 80s, but it wasn't glorified in musical form until rap hit.
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That song was actually against drug-dealing, not a glorification of the lifestyle.......
Two bags please
For a generous fee
Make your world what you want it to be
Got a woman I love desperately
Wanna give her something better than me
Been told I can't be nothin' else
Just a hustler in spite of myself
I know I can rake it
This life just don't make it
Two bags please
For a generous fee
Make your world what you want it to be
Got a woman I love desperately
Wanna give her something better than me
Been told I can't be nothin' else
Just a hustler in spite of myself
I know I can rake it
This life just don't make it
depends on how the lines are interpreted.
my boy tried to argue GKMC isnt a gangster rap album :/
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