Rand Paul Confronts the GOP's Race Problem

[theworldismine13]

TWIMMY has a lot of different sub characters that generally contradict each other. There's "hip hop" TWIMMY, there's pro-GOP TWIMMY, there's "intellectual freedom" TWIMMY, there's "the only path forward for black are these actions and thought patterns" TWIMMY, etc. etc. So the TWIMMY you get is dependent on the question you ask. If you say 'hey TWIMMY, you seem to keep hinting that blacks should do more voting for GOP', you get "intellectual freedom" TWIMMY. But then if you say, 'hey TWIMMY, blacks and Dems have accomplished a lot together, whats wrong with that?' you get pro-GOP TWIMMY. Maybe he should assign a different number to each sub character, so at least we can then direct questions relevant to each one to the respective sub TWIMMY.

@theworldismine13 isn't really a person, he is an argumentative algorithm and collection of mutually exclusive talking points. You can have a conversation with him for hours and come away not having learned or gained anything. Its like being lost on the road for hours and winding up where you started after burning a tank of gas.

LOL

i described my political views as center right, so i think that pretty much explains my views of the GOP and my views on other things, i dont view the GOP as a hostile force that portends the end of the black race, i see them as just a player in the game that say somethings i agree with

as far as hip hop, my views of hip hop come from KRS-One

so basically my views = Milton Friedman + KRS One

i practice what i preach, black people should explore all ideas and ideologies and take the ones they find that make sense

 

[Dyce25]

well again, you brought up the formal definition of an open economy, which i admitted is a valid point, but under the formal definition, no country has an actual open economy, all countries have some form of tariffs or trade barriers, so under that formal definition the us economy is open RELATIVE to other countries but its not actually a fully open economy, actual open economies do not exist internationally

but again that is neither her nor there, since, as i explained, when i said open economy i wasnt using it formally, i was just saying literally the us economy isnt and wasnt open to minorities and the policy goal should be to make it open to minorities

i have no idea what planet or country you are coming from, but its an obvious fact that black people do not fully participate in the american economy, so from our point of view the us economy is not open



i have no idea what this means, i almost fell asleep reading it, there is no substance in this paragraph so i do not have any response to it

Yes, you are totally a lost cause. You are using definitions to terms that only you have agreed on accepting instead of arguing in the same "realm" as others whom actually agree on a term's meaning. You were/are using the term of "open economy" without even knowing what the hell you're talking about. Now you're speaking of tariffs and the like. Please research what the hell you are talking about because having tariffs, regulations, and the like are all part of open economies. An open economy is simply one where everyone has the RIGHT to participate openly and freely (with limitations, such as no Cuban relations in the U.S. for example); not that literally everyone participates. As I've already explained to you, what you are sitting here arguing for (once you abandoned the Libertarian thing) is the exact country you live in presently. This equates to you only making one contribution to the thread which is to say, "Well, we shouldn't look at it from that view, but from this view" without even understanding what the view actually is or what it entails (when really the framing of the issue isn't important; the solutions are. And we all know where these Right-wing policies land us. You are obviously a part of the minority that doesn't).

The last paragraph was basically a long-form way of saying you are obviously too un- or under-educated to speak on this subject. Sorry for boring you. Should I be more blunt and just say that you are, in fact, extremely ignorant in this regard?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

LOL

i described my political views as center right, so i think that pretty much explains my views of the GOP and my views on other things, i dont view the GOP as a hostile force that portends the end of the black race, i see them as just a player in the game that say somethings i agree with

as far as hip hop, my views of hip hop come from KRS-One

so basically my views = Milton Friedman + KRS One

i practice what i preach, black people should explore all ideas and ideologies and take the ones they find that make sense

What you identify yourself is isnt necessarily what you are

And you contradict yourself + display ignorance too much to be engaged on a point by point basis. You like to hear yourself talk and are a fiend for acknowledgment, so as always get the last word in as youre compelled to do

 

[Real N Quotes]

the reason blacks don't vote republican is because the rethugs won't throw the old racists in the bushes

 

[theworldismine13]

Yes, you are totally a lost cause. You are using definitions to terms that only you have agreed on accepting instead of arguing in the same "realm" as others whom actually agree on a term's meaning. You were/are using the term of "open economy" without even knowing what the hell you're talking about. Now you're speaking of tariffs and the like. Please research what the hell you are talking about because having tariffs, regulations, and the like are all part of open economies

well first of all here is the formal definition of an open economy What is open economy? definition and meaning

im not sure where anything ive said differs from that

you brought up the formal definition and i acknowledge that yeah when i said open economy i wasnt using it formally and i explained that i was using the term as a descriptor not as a noun

An open economy is simply one where everyone has the RIGHT to participate openly and freely (with limitations, such as no Cuban relations in the U.S. for example); not that literally everyone participates.

yeah and i was saying that the rights of minorities to participate in the american economy were and are being violated

As I've already explained to you, what you are sitting here arguing for (once you abandoned the Libertarian thing) is the exact country you live in presently.

from the black point of view the american economy is not open and in turn that should be the policy goal, to increase minority participation in the economy

This equates to you only making one contribution to the thread which is to say, "Well, we shouldn't look at it from that view, but from this view" without even understanding what the view actually is or what it entails (when really the framing of the issue isn't important; the solutions are.

i actually said that several times that i was simply agreeing with the way libertarians frame the issue, you were the one that called me a libertarian, i never said i was

and it does matter how you frame the issue, because it effects what type of solutions you come up with, that was my point, a lot "solutions" were not effective because the goal was simply desegregation and treating a high concentration of minorities as a bad thing

i think its better to frame things in terms of violations of economic and civil rights as opposed to framing things in terms of racism and segregation, that is my only contribution to this thread and that is really the only thing ive been saying in this thread, im actually not sure what the commotion is about, im just adding my 2 cents

if you have beef with libertarians thats between you and libertarians, it has nothing to do with me, ive said what agree with them about and what i disagree with them about, so im not sure why you think i dont understand what it entails

And we all know where these Right-wing policies land us. You are obviously a part of the minority that doesn't).

yeah, well ive said my views are center right

is it ok for me to have my opinion or do i need to check with you and get your approval

The last paragraph was basically a long-form way of saying you are obviously too un- or under-educated to speak on this subject. Sorry for boring you. Should I be more blunt and just say that you are, in fact, extremely ignorant in this regard?

thanks for sharing your thoughts, i think everybody should have the right to express their thoughts

 

[theworldismine13]

What you identify yourself is isnt necessarily what you are

And you contradict yourself + display ignorance too much to be engaged on a point by point basis. You like to hear yourself talk and are a fiend for acknowledgment, so as always get the last word in as youre compelled to do

i think your definition of contradiction is me disagreeing with you

but in reality there is nothing ive said that is contradictory

 

[Dyce25]

well first of all here is the formal definition of an open economy What is open economy? definition and meaning

im not sure where anything ive said differs from that

you brought up the formal definition and i acknowledge that yeah when i said open economy i wasnt using it formally and i explained that i was using the term as a descriptor not as a noun



yeah and i was saying that the rights of minorities to participate in the american economy were and are being violated


from the black point of view the american economy is not open and in turn that should be the policy goal, to increase minority participation in the economy



i actually said that several times that i was simply agreeing with the way libertarians frame the issue, you were the one that called me a libertarian, i never said i was

and it does matter how you frame the issue, because it effects what type of solutions you come up with, that was my point, a lot "solutions" were not effective because the goal was simply desegregation and treating a high concentration of minorities as a bad thing

i think its better to frame things in terms of violations of economic and civil rights as opposed to framing things in terms of racism and segregation, that is my only contribution to this thread and that is really the only thing ive been saying in this thread, im actually not sure what the commotion is about, im just adding my 2 cents



yeah, well ive said my views are center right

is it ok for me to have my opinion or do i need to check with you and get your approval

Thanks for your Google search results on what an open economy is, but I've already been over this point and have pointed out your flaws in declaring that America is not an open economy. If your comprehension hides these points from your intellect, that is not my problem. On another of your points, minorities have been violated in the past, but today they have the same rights as everyone else (at least on paper). Lastly, you don't have to check with anyone to have whatever kind of views you would like to hold. However, people have the right to point out the obvious faults in those beliefs and views as well; they're not somehow protected from scrutiny, objective truth, and reality. I love your passion, but you are completely misguided and uniformed here. That's all there is to it, and I honestly wish you could see it and harness that passion for a good use. Sadly, it seems you aren't really concerned with being right or wrong on an issue (at least with this one) and are instead concerned more about finding some way to "win" an "argument." I'm willing to bet you're the "contrarian" type (as am I), but I have a sneaking suspicion that you're also the argumentative type that presumes to take contrarian views on almost everything (mostly just for the sake of being contrarian). Your ego and shortsightedness are now, and will be in the future, a detriment to you.

 

[theworldismine13]

Thanks for your Google search results on what an open economy is, but I've already been over this point and have pointed out your flaws in declaring that America is not an open economy.

and again from the black point of view america is not an open economy

Lastly, you don't have to check with anyone to have whatever kind of views you would like to hold. However, people have the right to point out the obvious faults in those beliefs and views as well; they're not somehow protected from scrutiny, objective truth, and reality. I love your passion, but you are completely misguided and uniformed here. That's all there is to it, and I honestly wish you could see it and harness that passion for a good use. Sadly, it seems you aren't really concerned with being right or wrong on an issue (at least with this one) and are instead concerned more about finding some way to "win" an "argument." I'm willing to bet you're the "contrarian" type (as am I), but I have a sneaking suspicion that you're also the argumentative type that presumes to take contrarian views on almost everything (mostly just for the sake of being contrarian). Your ego and shortsightedness are now, and will be in the future, a detriment to you.

yo man, get a grip on reality, your political opinion is just that, your political opinion, its not an objective truth, what the fuk are you smoking?

the fact that i disagree with you means just that, i disagree with you, you are completely delusional and i think its hilarious in trying to use your corny political views as standard that i would need to judge myself by

as you stated and i stated, the only thing ive said in this thread is that i agree with the way libertarians frame the issue

your beef with libertarians and right wing politics has nothing to do with me

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Another much used TWIMMY catch phrase: "im not sure i said"

Of course... when you flip flop as much as TWIMMY it can be hard to remember which side of an issue you are on. There's no objectivity or logic in dude's stances.

 

[theworldismine13]

Another much used TWIMMY catch phrase: "im not sure i said"

Of course... when you flip flop as much as TWIMMY it can be hard to remember which side of an issue you are on. There's no objectivity or logic in dude's stances.

you're like a God Emperor groupie

 

[Dyce25]

and again from the black point of view america is not an open economy



yo man, get a grip on reality, your political opinion is just that, your political opinion, its not an objective truth, what the fuk are you smoking?

the fact that i disagree with you means just that, i disagree with you, you are completely delusional and i think its hilarious in trying to use your corny political views as standard that i would need to judge myself by

as you stated and i stated, the only thing ive said in this thread is that i agree with the way libertarians frame the issue

your beef with libertarians and right wing politics has nothing to do with me

Regardless of how you "view" it, the reality is it's an open economy. And I'm not the one that's delusional, kid. As I also said when speaking of your contribution to this thread, you are simply very uninformed, or maybe you're just misinformed. I've already detailed the results of framing the issue the way in which you would like to. You say my conclusions are false; most people disagree (hence why we're not doing it...). These people, like me, are not using segregation or integration as a metric for progression as you all too often like to say (which has been your only gripe; you have a gripe with something that no one suggested. In other words, you made up a position, and then transposed that onto people, including me). That's where the problem lies (in your "contrarian perspective"). We're framing the issue the correct way and trying to change things from within. You have a different approach. That's fine, but, as you see, most people simply don't agree with your assessment. Like me, they understand the importance of government and the role of integration in furthering minority (and our nation's) interests. Also, I never said my opinion was "objective truth." I just said that having an opinion (anyone and any opinion) doesn't protect it from objective truth. In laymen's terms, this means that if you are wrong based on evidence in your opinion, then the evidence, obviously, can be used against you should you choose to voice that opinion.

 

[Dyce25]

Another much used TWIMMY catch phrase: "im not sure i said"

Of course... when you flip flop as much as TWIMMY it can be hard to remember which side of an issue you are on. There's no objectivity or logic in dude's stances.

I see. He just throws shyt out there in an effort to "win" an "argument." There's no chance of building.

 

[theworldismine13]

Regardless of how you "view" it, the reality is it's an open economy. And I'm not the one that's delusional, kid. As I also said when speaking of your contribution to this thread, you are simply very uninformed, or maybe you're just misinformed. I've already detailed the results of framing the issue the way in which you would like to. You say my conclusions are false; most people disagree (hence why we're not doing it...). These people, like me, are not using segregation or integration as a metric for progression as you all too often like to say (which has been your only gripe; you have a gripe with something that no one suggested. In other words, you made up a position, and then transposed that onto people, including me). That's where the problem lies (in your "contrarian perspective"). We're framing the issue the correct way and trying to change things from within. You have a different approach. That's fine, but, as you see, most people simply don't agree with your assessment. Like me, they understand the importance of government and the role of integration in furthering minority (and our nation's) interests. Also, I never said my opinion was "objective truth." I just said that having an opinion (anyone and any opinion) doesn't protect it from objective truth. In laymen's terms, this means that if you are wrong based on evidence in your opinion, then the evidence, obviously, can be used against you should you choose to voice that opinion.

first of all i dont know what rock you live under or what planet or country you live in but the notion of using segregation as a metric has been infused in government policy since the civil rights era, the notion that im fabricating an argument is not true regardless of whether you personally do it or not

second i dont really agree that you dont use it, i think you backed up and elaborated when i brought it up, then you denied it and then a few posts later started talking about "densely populated minority areas", so it was back to square one

and again all ive said in this thread is that i agree with the way libertarian frame the issue, its fine if you disagree but im not following how you have proved that your view is better, apparently you think that stating that your view is better proves that your views are better? you are just using a circular argument

i obviously must have missed it, so why dont you break it down for me how you "proved" that your views are better

 

[theworldismine13]

I see. He just throws shyt out there in an effort to "win" an "argument." There's no chance of building.

you do realize that you are agreeing with somebody that was defending the libertarian view of economic discrimination in the beginning of the thread, right?

you may want to break him off some of that "proof" that you keep talking about

 

[theworldismine13]

Another much used TWIMMY catch phrase: "im not sure i said"

Of course... when you flip flop as much as TWIMMY it can be hard to remember which side of an issue you are on. There's no objectivity or logic in dude's stances.

yeah, so let me see if i get this straight

when you speculate and pontificate about how libertarians may have a valid point that economic discrimination will not really hurt black people, thats ok

but when the God Emperor says he agrees with a particular point libertarians make its a crime against humanity, and the God is a hypocrite and is contradicting himself

are those the rules?