Rand Paul Confronts the GOP's Race Problem

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I see. He just throws shyt out there in an effort to "win" an "argument." There's no chance of building.

Exactly. I think we should just move forward in the discussion.

What do you think it would take for the GOP to win the black vote? Do you think it's even worth pursuing for them from a numbers standpoint?

 

[theworldismine13]

Exactly. I think we should just move forward in the discussion.

What do you think it would take for the GOP to win the black vote? Do you think it's even worth pursuing for them from a numbers standpoint?

im not trying to be a third wheel or anything, but you do realize that you are talking to left wing white guy, right? his worst nightmare is having black people that he cares so much about betraying the cause, so you dont have to guess as to what his response is, just saying...

 

[Dyce25]

first of all i dont know what rock you live under or what planet or country you live in but the notion of using segregation as a metric has been infused in government policy since the civil rights era, the notion that im fabricating an argument is not true regardless of whether you personally do it or not

second i dont really agree that you dont use it, i think you backed up and elaborated when i brought it up, then you denied it and then a few posts later started talking about "densely populated minority areas", so it was back to square one

and again all ive said in this thread is that i agree with the way libertarian frame the issue, its fine if you disagree but im not following how you have proved that your view is better, apparently you think that stating that your view is better proves that your views are better? you are just using a circular argument

i obviously must have missed it, so why dont you break it down for me how you "proved" that your views are better

First, we've already discussed the fact that you're not talking to these people that have been using it as a metric. Secondly, I never once used it as a metric of progression myself; the only thing even close was when I said it could be used in reverse as a metric of regression. Lastly, my opinion isn't proven by me saying so. I've already discussed the cons of your view and the pros of mine. I'm not going to break it down any further because if you cannot already understand, then you probably lack the intellect to do so. We've already been through this - multiple times now. I suggest you reread my posts, and take your time to try to understand.

 

[Dyce25]

Exactly. I think we should just move forward in the discussion.

What do you think it would take for the GOP to win the black vote? Do you think it's even worth pursuing for them from a numbers standpoint?

I honestly have no clue how they can gain the black vote. I definitely think it's worth pursuing because otherwise, they're finished as a national party. Still, I think in time, they will garner at least some of the black vote. It's absolutely worth pursuing, but I think the GOP will have a hard sell and a long road ahead in order to gain the trust of black people again.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

I give Rand Paul alot of credit for even acknowledging the issues of race in this country. Something your cowardly president and the rest of the liberal elite are too afraid to do.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I give Rand Paul alot of credit for even acknowledging the issues of race in this country. Something your cowardly president and the rest of the liberal elite are too afraid to do.

Doing nothing is better than the role your party has played. But I already know you have no intentions of going there.

And @ anyone you disagree with being an Obama supporter. I didn't vote for him last November.

 

[theworldismine13]

First, we've already discussed the fact that you're not talking to these people that have been using it as a metric. Secondly, I never once used it as a metric of progression myself; the only thing even close was when I said it could be used in reverse as a metric of regression. Lastly, my opinion isn't proven by me saying so. I've already discussed the cons of your view and the pros of mine. I'm not going to break it down any further because if you cannot already understand, then you probably lack the intellect to do so. We've already been through this - multiple times now. I suggest you reread my posts, and take your time to try to understand.

i dont believe you at all, but if you say you dont use it that way then thats fine but i am not pulling the point out of my ass because its pretty much part of government policy

and as i thought, you didnt prove anything, all you did was state your pov, which is fine because this is a free country, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me

 

[Dyce25]

i dont believe you at all, but if you say you dont use it that way then thats fine but i am not pulling the point out of my ass because its pretty much part of government policy

and as i thought, you didnt prove anything, all you did was state your pov, which is fine because this is a free country, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me

Um... I don't give a shyt if you "believe" me or not. We're right back to you trying to transpose beliefs upon someone else by refusing to deal in the facts of the conversation and instead insisting that I hold certain views which are just completely incorrect. That's that "contrarian perspective" I was referring to earlier. Secondly, it is you whom has, in fact, provided no proof of how your views even make sense in practice, much less how they would help. I've already done so on multiple occasions (plus I've highlighted the negatives of your viewpoint as well), but because you're too ignorant to understand or recognize this, I somehow haven't made a case at all. If you truly believe that, then I have been fooled into arguing with a mental midget for the last couple of days, and again, I have been greatly underwhelmed by your knowledge and understanding of this subject.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

im not trying to be a third wheel or anything, but you do realize that you are talking to left wing white guy, right? his worst nightmare is having black people that he cares so much about betraying the cause, so you dont have to guess as to what his response is, just saying...

not you?

Not the "I listen to everybody even if they hate me" dude?

nikka you just be talking. Literally with every post you contradict yourself. I'm starting to think you're just trolling, you can't be this dense

 

[theworldismine13]

not you?

Not the "I listen to everybody even if they hate me" dude?

nikka you just be talking. Literally with every post you contradict yourself. I'm starting to think you're just trolling, you can't be this dense

i really have to question your reading comprehension, all i was saying is who the poster is and what his response would be, how the fuk is that a contradiction, ive just listened to dude for 4 pages and responded to his views

 

[theworldismine13]

Um... I don't give a shyt if you "believe" me or not. We're right back to you trying to transpose beliefs upon someone else by refusing to deal in the facts of the conversation and instead insisting that I hold certain views which are just completely incorrect. That's that "contrarian perspective" I was referring to earlier.

then dont care, i still dont believe you, even when i brought the issue up you were still bemoaning densely packed minority areas

Secondly, it is you whom has, in fact, provided no proof of how your views even make sense in practice, much less how they would help. I've already done so on multiple occasions (plus I've highlighted the negatives of your viewpoint as well), but because you're too ignorant to understand or recognize this, I somehow haven't made a case at all. If you truly believe that, then I have been fooled into arguing with a mental midget for the last couple of days, and again, I have been greatly underwhelmed by your knowledge and understanding of this subject.

i dont really see how you can provide proof of a political opinion, and i have never tried to, all i did was explain the logic of why i said that libertarians have a better way of framing the issue, i cant prove that, its just an opinion

that is why i was befuddled at your claim that you proved that your political views were correct, that is an astounding accomplishment...which apparently only occurred in your imagination and not in the real world

all you have done is explain your political views, which is fine, i thank you for sharing your views with me, im not sure what you want me to say beyond that

 

[Dyce25]

then dont care, i still dont believe you, even when i brought the issue up you were still bemoaning densely packed minority areas



i dont really see how you can provide proof of a politcal opinion, and i have never tried to, all i did was explain the logic of why i said that libertarians have a better way of framing the issue, i cant prove that, its just an opinion

that is why i was befuddled at your claim that you proved that your political views were correct, that is an astounding accomplishment...which apparently only occurred in your imagination and not in the real world

all you have done is explain your political views, which is fine, i thank you for sharing your views with me, im not sure what you want me to say beyond that

If only you knew how ignorant you really are. I never claimed to prove a political opinion. I claimed to show evidence of how my view (working from within AND promoting integration [contrary to your beliefs, not just for the sake of promoting integration itself, but because of the benefits this would eventually have for minorities, and America as a whole]) would actually work in practice, and how yours, in contrast, simply would not. Before you claim that I have not, I assure you I have. Other people have noticed your denseness as well, so I am sure that my message wasn't too convoluted to understand. It seems you may just be incapable of understanding. As far as the bold... Again, it doesn't matter if you believe. You aren't even intelligent enough to understand the basics of my (nor anyone else's) view on why making those areas MORE densely packed is a bad thing. And please don't say I, or others, haven't already answered why that's a bad thing. We have. A few dozen times now it seems like. Also, it's just an observation, but I find it incredibly funny that you have backed away or completely dropped segments of your argument(s) throughout this thread. You have essentially provided zero to the thread and have just been arguing for the sake of argument. Are you really that lonely?

 

[theworldismine13]

If only you knew how ignorant you really are. I never claimed to prove a political opinion. I claimed to show evidence of how my view (working from within AND promoting integration [contrary to your beliefs, not just for the sake of promoting integration itself, but because of the benefits this would eventually have for minorities, and America as a whole]) would actually work in practice, and how yours, in contrast, simply would not. Before you claim that I have not, I assure you I have. Other people have noticed your denseness as well, so I am sure that my message wasn't too convoluted to understand. It seems you may just be incapable of understanding. As far as the bold... Again, it doesn't matter if you believe. You aren't even intelligent enough to understand the basics of my (nor anyone else's) view on why making those areas MORE densely packed is a bad thing. And please don't say I, or others, haven't already answered why that's a bad thing. We have. A few dozen times now it seems like. Also, it's just an observation, but I find it incredibly funny that you have backed away or completely dropped segments of your argument(s) throughout this thread. You have essentially provided zero to the thread and have just been arguing for the sake of argument. Are you really that lonely?

so basically you are still going on about densely packed minority areas, which apparently you do not use as a metric for progress...alrighty then

so again, no i do not believe you

yeah you explained your political views and i said thank you for sharing your views with me, im not sure what else you want me to say about that

the only point i was trying to make in this thread is that libertarians have a good way of framing the issue, i did back away a little because its wrong to put words in people's mouth, so if you say you didnt say it then ill leave it alone, i dont believe you, but i will leave it alone

as far as continuing this convo, i keep thanking you for sharing your views, thats a hint

 

[QuintessentialBM]

I see and understand what the both of you(theworldismine & Dyce25 are saying)and I going to express my opinions. History(past and recent) will make my point.

African Americans, since our arrival, have been physical, emotionally, spiritually, economically, culturally and politically pimped, whether or not we had rights, opinions or the rights to express those opinions. Conscious African-Americans take full responsibility for our part in having a lack of infrastructure, but we didn't do it alone... we had plenty of help.

Segregation/Integration has been used throughout U.S. history to measure(especially)economic growth. History(past and recent) has shown us that when it doesn't benefit the white establishment, they either set up barriers to impede or straight up halt progress, renig on promises or they completely destroy it. I'm sure, as a white American(not attacking you, by the way)know your American history and know plenty of examples of these actions... because of the actions and decisions of today and of yesteryear, African Americans have next to nothing... and to be honest nobody want to see that kind of economic power in the hands of black Americans again(I've heard this from a multitude of people over and over)because money is power and power buys influence. Would you be not be upset if other cultures had total economic control over your cultural specific industries? Nobody(in the white establishment)is crying foul because everything that black America does is subjugated and black America poses no immediate threat. Can't say the same for Asian-Americans and other immigrants. If African-Americans were involved in the Free Trade Market/Economy(per you.... in the truest sense of the definition), African-Americans would have been (probably) the 2nd wealthiest culture on EARTH(next to the Oil Sheiks of the Middle East). Black Americans HAD that much influence. The jealousy shown displayed about Black Wall Street would be a blip.

I, personally, don't vote anymore(and my political affiliation is independent.... of BS)because of the point I made in the last paragraph. African Americans are only used as political footballs for political gain. We don't have great representation at any level of the political structure and I, personally, refuse to be pimped by any of these parties that are making grand affirmations of what they'll do for African-Americans, only to be jived.

What the dems have done in the Obama administration was the last draw.

 

[Dyce25]

so basically you are still going on about densely packed minority areas, which apparently you do not use as a metric for progress...alrighty then

so again, no i do not believe you

yeah you explained your political views and i said thank you for sharing your views with me, im not sure what else you want me to say about that

the only point i was trying to make in this thread is that libertarians have a good way of framing the issue, i did back away a little because its wrong to put words in people's mouth, so if you say you didnt say it then ill leave it alone, i dont believe you, but i will leave it alone

as far as continuing this convo, i keep thanking you for sharing your views, thats a hint

Yep... And you obviously missed it once again. As far as your "hints," I've been calling you ignorant and dense for a while now, and have suggested numerous times for you to reread this thread so you can pick up some of the information and distinctions that you claim were never provided (since you lack the comprehension to recognize them at first glance obviously). Those should have been hints for you long ago. Also, that wasn't the only issue you backed off of. You backed off of a couple because you realized you were making a fool of yourself, and you don't want to face the fact that you were and continue to be... Wrong. You are wrong in thinking that framing the issue your way would produce better "solutions," you are wrong about most of what you believe others to have proclaimed to believe, and you are just wrong in a lot of your understandings of what is being said (either from a standpoint of not having the capacity to understand or the maliciousness of just misrepresenting people). This has happened throughout this thread and is the lone reason for why we are currently on page ten, and I'm STILL explaining basic things to you.