Rand Paul Confronts the GOP's Race Problem

[theworldismine13]

Yep... And you obviously missed it once again. As far as your "hints," I've been calling you ignorant and dense for a while now, and have suggested numerous times for you to reread this thread so you can pick up some of the information and distinctions that you claim were never provided (since you lack the comprehension to recognize them at first glance obviously). Those should have been hints for you long ago. Also, that wasn't the only issue you backed off of. You backed off of a couple because you realized you were making a fool of yourself, and you don't want to face the fact that you were and continue to be... Wrong. You are wrong in thinking that framing the issue your way would produce better "solutions," you are wrong about most of what you believe others to have proclaimed to believe, and you are just wrong in a lot of your understandings of what is being said (either from a standpoint of not having the capacity to understand or the maliciousness of just misrepresenting people). This has happened throughout this thread and is the lone reason for why we are currently on page ten, and I'm STILL explaining basic things to you.

well the thing is i dont think its important of what you personally said because what im referring to is what standard government policy has been ever since the civil rights, there has been this focus on desegregation, so my critique was broader than you personally so my point still stands

since my critique applies to actual government policy i dont see it as important as to whether you believe it or not

as far as you personally, you claim not to use it as metric and then you start bemoaning "densely packed minority areas" so that is why i dont believe you, i have good reason not to believe you

when you started to besmirch my character i did take the hint, and i gave you a hint in return and politely said thank you for sharing your views with me

 

[Dyce25]

I see and understand what the both of you(theworldismine & Dyce25 are saying)and I going to express my opinions. History(past and recent) will make my point.

African Americans, since our arrival, have been physical, emotionally, spiritually, economically, culturally and politically pimped, whether or not we had rights, opinions or the rights to express those opinions. Conscious African-Americans take full responsibility for our part in having a lack of infrastructure, but we didn't do it alone... we had plenty of help.

Segregation/Integration has been used throughout U.S. history to measure(especially)economic growth. History(past and recent) has shown us that when it doesn't benefit the white establishment, they either set up barriers to impede or straight up halt progress, renig on promises or they completely destroy it. I'm sure, as a white American(not attacking you, by the way)know your American history and know plenty of examples of these actions... because of the actions and decisions of today and of yesteryear, African Americans have next to nothing... and to be honest nobody want to see that kind of economic power in the hands of black Americans again(I've heard this from a multitude of people over and over)because money is power and power buys influence. Would you be not be upset if other cultures had total economic control over your cultural specific industries? Nobody(in the white establishment)is crying foul because everything that black America does is subjugated and black America poses no immediate threat. Can't say the same for Asian-Americans and other immigrants. If African-Americans were involved in the Free Trade Market/Economy(per you.... in the truest sense of the definition), African-Americans would have been (probably) the 2nd wealthiest culture on EARTH(next to the Oil Sheiks of the Middle East). Black Americans HAD that much influence. The jealousy shown displayed about Black Wall Street would be a blip.

I, personally, don't vote anymore(and my political affiliation is independent.... of BS)because of the point I made in the last paragraph. African Americans are only used as political footballs for political gain. We don't have great representation at any level of the political structure and I, personally, refuse to be pimped by any of these parties that are making grand affirmations of what they'll do for African-Americans, only to be jived.

What the dems have done in the Obama administration was the last draw.

The bold is exactly why the government should help to restore that infrastructure, since it was absolutely instrumental in destroying it. The rest of your post is pretty much nonsense and revisionist history (when did black Americans wield all of this great economic and political power that you speak of?) The goal is to, for the first time, actually achieve some permanent, sustainable power for minorities here in America; not to introduce Libertarian free markets that will do nothing but sap minority power (in all forms).

 

[Dyce25]

well the thing is i dont think its important of what you personally said because what im referring to is what standard government policy has been ever since the civil rights, there has been this focus on desegregation, so my critique was broader than you personally so my point still stands

since my critique applies to actual government policy i dont see it as important as to whether you believe it or not

as far as you personally, you claim not to use it as metric and then you start bemoaning "densely packed minority areas" so that is why i dont believe you, i have good reason not to believe you

when you started to besmirch my character i did take the hint, and i gave you a hint in return and politely said thank you for sharing your views with me

Well, then, I guess since it doesn't matter about whom I'm talking to and whether or not they accept a view I transpose on them, I can begin saying people believe whatever crazy shyt I dream up - according to your logic. You can't be this stupid. You weren't speaking broadly (that's a lie), as you were speaking directly to people in this thread claiming they were using integration as a measure of success. No one here has made that claim, and as I've said once before, the closest I've ever personally come to saying that is when I said you could, however, reverse that and definitely use segregation as a metric for regression. I guess you find this to be impossible to do without simultaneously agreeing that integration should be used as a metric for progress. I guess that's too abstract and seemingly paradoxical for you to understand (that's the ONLY way in which I see how you can STILL be arguing this point). I'm glad you got the hint when I began mocking your ignorance on this topic. You should have chosen to quit right then rather than choose to display more of it.

 

[theworldismine13]

Well, then, I guess since it doesn't matter about whom I'm talking to and whether or not they accept a view I transpose on them, I can begin saying people believe whatever crazy shyt I dream up - according to your logic. You can't be this stupid. You weren't speaking broadly (that's a lie), as you were speaking directly to people in this thread claiming they were using integration as a measure of success. No one here has made that claim, and as I've said once before, the closest I've ever personally come to saying that is when I said you could, however, reverse that and definitely use segregation as a metric for regression. I guess you find this to be impossible to do without simultaneously agreeing that integration should be used as a metric for progress. I guess that's too abstract and seemingly paradoxical for you to understand (that's the ONLY way in which I see how you can STILL be arguing this point). I'm glad you got the hint when I began mocking your ignorance on this topic. You should have chosen to quit right then rather than choose to display more of it.

way back in the thread when you claimed you never said it i pointed out that my point applies because its also government policy, i said that way back then

and as far as you besmirching my character, again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me

 

[QuintessentialBM]

The bold is exactly why the government should help to restore that infrastructure, since it was absolutely instrumental in destroying it. The rest of your post is pretty much nonsense and revisionist history (when did black Americans wield all of this great economic and political power that you speak of?) The goal is to, for the first time, actually achieve some permanent, sustainable power for minorities here in America; not to introduce Libertarian free markets that will do nothing but sap minority power (in all forms).

African Americans did have a lot of influence amongst blacks in America and black people throughout the world(Africa, The Caribbean, ect). The reason it never materialize is because we didn't see the big picture and we didn't utilize what resources we had to expand our influence. That's what I referring to.... We wouldn't be as dependent on the US government. We would have unlimited wealth and resources in a open economy.

Really??????? You need an example?????

 

[Dyce25]

way back in the thread when you claimed you never said it i pointed out that my point applies because its also government policy, i said that way back then

and as far as you besmirching my character, again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me

Of course you said it then! You had to come up with something to justify why you kept using that point after myself and another poster pointed out that no one said what you claimed they had. When you searched the thread and realized in actuality, no one ever DID make that claim, you claimed that you weren't speaking of me or any of the posters specifically, but of governmental policy on a broader scale (which is why I've been dismissing that bullshyt ever since you first said it). You just got caught being wrong, and instead of admitting it, your ego forced you to try to create a cover. Anyway, you're not saying anything new, so are you finished?

 

[Dyce25]

African Americans did have a lot of influence amongst blacks in America and black people throughout the world(Africa, The Caribbean, ect). The reason it never materialize is because we didn't see the big picture and we didn't utilize what resources we had to expand out influence. That's what I referring to.... We wouldn't be as dependent on the US government. We would have unlimited wealth and resources in a open economy.

Really??????? You need an example?????

Blacks make up between 13-14% of America's population. One of those wet-dream Libertarian-style open economies would not be beneficial; it would be harmful. This is just common sense. And you are drastically overrating the power you believe black people had at one time. Being that they are the second highest population in America, however, they should have more power than they have historically and presently. That is the ultimate goal.

 

[theworldismine13]

Of course you said it then! You had to come up with something to justify why you kept using that point after myself and another poster pointed out that no one said what you claimed they had. When you searched the thread and realized in actuality, no one ever DID make that claim, you claimed that you weren't speaking of me or any of the posters specifically, but of governmental policy on a broader scale (which is why I've been dismissing that bullshyt ever since you first said it). You just got caught being wrong, and instead of admitting it, your ego forced you to try to create a cover. Anyway, you're not saying anything new, so are you finished?

Yeah you denied it and then a few posts later you were bemoaning densely packed minority areas and kept writing essays about how a high concetration of minorities is a bad thing and that is why I don't believe you, I think I have a good reason not to believe you

 

[Dyce25]

Yeah you denied it and then a few posts later you were bemoaning densely packed minority areas and kept writing essays about how a high concetration of minorities is a bad thing and that is why I don't believe you, I think I have a good reason not to believe you

Lol. Still stuck in that paradox, huh? It's okay; you'll figure it out sooner or later!

 

[theworldismine13]

Blacks make up between 13-14% of America's population. One of those wet-dream Libertarian-style open economies would not be beneficial; it would be harmful. This is just common sense. And you are drastically overrating the power you believe black people had at one time. Being that they are the second highest population in America, however, they should have more power than they have historically and presently. That is the ultimate goal.

Out goal is not to have more power or power that is commensurate with our numbers, stop trying to put your condescending goals on black people

Our goal is to have more power than what out numbers suggest and to dominate

 

[theworldismine13]

Lol. Still stuck in that paradox, huh? It's okay; you'll figure it out sooner or later!

Yeah sure

 

[Dyce25]

Out goal is not to have more power that is commensurate with our numbers, stop trying to out you condescending goals on black people

Our goal is to have more power than what out numbers suggest and to dominate

LMAO! Right... Now I'm trying to be condescending to the black race? And you want to "dominate?" Yeah, no wonder you haven't understood a thing I've said.

 

[theworldismine13]

LMAO! Right... Now I'm trying to be condescending to the black race? And you want to "dominate?" Yeah, no wonder you haven't understood a thing I've said.

I understood everything you said, you think that the ultimate goal is to give minorities more power that is commensurrat with their numbers, you just said that

I reject that goal, out goal is to dominate

 

[Dyce25]

I understood everything you said, you think that the ultimate goal is to give minorities more power that is commensurrat with their numbers, you just said that

I reject that goal, out goal is to dominate

You really haven't. But I understand you gave it a good effort. Nice try.

 

[QuintessentialBM]

Blacks make up between 13-14% of America's population. One of those wet-dream Libertarian-style open economies would not be beneficial; it would be harmful. This is just common sense. And you are drastically overrating the power you believe black people had at one time. Being that they are the second highest population in America, however, they should have more power than they have historically and presently. That is the ultimate goal.

It wasn't just one "wet dream" but let you(the white establishment)tell it. We still have options in America and abroad but we don't have unity or a concrete plan of execution.

That type of economy is harmful to those that aren't benefitting.


I can already see where this is going... I'm not into circular arguments like everybody else so I'm just going to end it here.