Rand Paul Confronts the GOP's Race Problem

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It wasn't just one "wet dream" but let you(the white establishment)tell it. We still have options in America and abroad but we don't have unity or a concrete plan of execution.

That type of economy is harmful to those that aren't benefitting.


I can already see where this is going... I'm not into circular arguments like everybody else so I'm just going to end it here.

Thanks for stopping by. I appreciate you saving me the excruciating pain of having to break shyt down for you to understand. However, the bold I agree with, and that's exactly what the plan is: to unify black people in ideas (not location), and devise a plan of execution that would bring more power (of all forms) to minorities, especially blacks. This is what people should be working toward; a system of change from within that will greatly benefit minorities AND the nation as a whole.
 

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Thanks for stopping by. I appreciate you saving me the excruciating pain of having to break shyt down for you to understand. However, the bold I agree with, and that's exactly what the plan is: to unify black people in ideas (not location), and devise a plan of execution that would bring more power (of all forms) to minorities, especially blacks. This is what people should be working toward; a system of change from within that will greatly benefit minorities AND the nation as a whole.

no we are not working to bring more power to minorities, that is your white liberal goals for minorities, our goal is to dominate, do me favor and stop making goals for black people
 

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Sure but the main thing you need to understand is that I reject your goals for minorities

Um... Wow. Okay. Was it really supposed to matter to me if you reject any of my views, statements, ect.? I'm beginning to wonder if that "13" behind your name is a close approximation of your actual age now. Honestly, is it? If it is, I might have to reverse all my "ignorance" remarks; I could actually understand an intelligent teenager holding your views, so I might have to end up giving you credit instead of ridicule.
 

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no we are not working to bring more power to minorities, that is your white liberal goals for minorities, our goal is to dominate, do me favor and stop making goals for black people

Your lone, independent goals don't matter. But, of course, you already know this, so you jump on the computer and argue because you're mad at how insignificant and unintelligent you actually are compared to the rest of society. Got it.
 

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Um... Wow. Okay. Was it really supposed to matter to me if you reject any of my views, statements, ect.? I'm beginning to wonder if that "13" behind your name is a close approximation of your actual age now. Honestly, is it? If it is, I might have to reverse all my "ignorance" remarks; I could actually understand an intelligent teenager holding your views, so I might have to end up giving you credit instead of ridicule.

you can take it however it you want, im just making it clear that i reject your goals and wondering who the fuk are you to be saying what the goal of minorities should be?
 

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thats actually one of the problems with civil rights and the laws and policies that came out of it, black leaders where letting white liberals set the goals and metrics for black people

and its still happening today, white liberals got black people supporting all kinds of silly shyt that isnt in our interest
 

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Does it really matter? He's dead wrong.
So what is the alternative to "the free market will fix it"? The government will fix it?




Sadly, I anticipate another attempt at whitewashing (pun intended) the history and relationship between black America and modern neo-conservatism.
Possibly, but Rand Paul himself is a paleo-conservative, not a neo-con. He hates the modern republican party just as much as any democrat.




Pushing for racist policy
He's not pushing for racist policy. He's advocating individualism/free choice. He's saying that in a free society, it's up to you to decide what you want to do with your private property (business, money, etc).

If you're dumb enough to refuse business to a client for being black, then so be it. But at least in a free society you have the freedom to do so, at your own expense of course.




If the society you live in discriminates against a given group in every way imaginable, why wouldn't you?
In a free society, the private citizen (individual) should have the right to refuse business to whomever for whatever reason. Obviously he must also be prepared to deal with the consequences both social and economical.




im not pro or anti segregation, i just dont think the government can ever efficiently manage so called integration
THIS right here.




Im talking about in a global, macro scale....meaning the market can discriminate freely against blacks w/ little consequence....
The market is not a group, it's a bunch of individuals, consumers and producers, independent of each other. If one individual refuses your business, take your money elsewhere. The consequences are obvious then: businesses with poor service go bankrupt, businesses with superior product/service thrive.




that philosophy worked wonders during the jim crow era.
But Jim Crow laws were enforced by the state, not private citizens. Libertarians are about weakening the power of the state over individuals. In a libertarian society, the state is too weak to enforce harsh laws such as Jim Crows. More over, you cannot be grouped into a category (e.g.: black, white, whatever) because groups are not recognized, only individuals.




All you are doing is excusing anti-American, and corruptive behavior that is INFRINGING on another person's rights in a so called free society where "all men are created equal". American businesses operating under American principals that protect ALL its members and promote the betterment of its citizens is vital to a moral, and just society.
In a free society, you have the right to do as you please with your private property. The government cannot tell you what to do. What you're referring to is public property, like public libraries and national parks, or state run businesses like the Postal Service.

Having the freedom to do as you please on your property is not anti-American, it is as American as anything, it's what separates us from the rest of the world. It is unjust and immoral, unethical, and illegal for the government to force you to behave a certain way, especially on your private property! Coercion is the biggest evil.




It seems that you have a perspective that says basically, "Leave me (or us) completely alone, and we'll be fine."
I can't speak for TWIM but for me as an individual it's more about "let me decide for myself what's in my best interest, let me take risks, let me make my own choices, let me deal with the consequences of my actions." I don't want the government to attempt to take care of me because the government doesn't know me. It is doomed to fail. The government likes to create 'one-size-fits-all' solutions for groups of people, but I am not a group, I am an individual with my own needs, I know what's best for me, not the state (this is more or less what Dr. Ben Carson was saying to Obama regarding Obamacare).




People shouldn't work toward creating something separate; rather, people should work from inside to change the culture of America overall. This means working through politics and the government.
People can come together without the help of government. After 40 years of Lyndon B. Johnson's "Great Society" and war on poverty, most American cities remain segregated.

What really irks me though is that liberals believe the government is the solution to everything.

Health care crisis?
Political solution

Economic crisis?
Political solution

Housing crisis?
Political solution

Crime/drug problem?
Political solution

You can't apply a political solution to every issue, it just doesn't work that way. Unemployment has flatlined at about 8% for 4 years in a row. First time since the great depression, I think, but this is to be expected when you attempt to solve non-political problems with political solutions.
 

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thats actually one of the problems with civil rights and the laws and policies that came out of it, black leaders where letting white liberals set the goals and metrics for black people

and its still happening today, white liberals got black people supporting all kinds of silly shyt that isnt in our interest

Done? Or is this the beginning of a longer tantrum?
 

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nah we can go as long as it needs to go, im just making sure you understand that i reject your views and that its not your place to set goals for minorites

Tantrum it is, I guess. Feel free. Can you really not see the checkmate coming?
 

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sure no problem, i repeat, i reject your goals and its not your place to set goals for minorities

Reject away... I have no problem watching your tantrum, and I actually think it could be quite entertaining. I just may drop in here and there to give you some encouragement on continuing the tantrum too.
 
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