Racist nyc asians at it again this time protesting the mayors new plan to desegregate nyc schools

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Working hard is memorizing other people's work to copy? You are not studying hard when you have all the test answers infront of you.

You aint figuring stuff out or learning to solve problems, or learning to ve CREATIVE, you are literally just memorizing other people's work. If I do the test on Wednesday and you have the same test scheduled on friday, and I tell you every question on that test...guess what, that is cheating.

If I have a paperdue and I copy yours from 2 years ago, that is cheating.

None of that is "hardwork" .

You can spin it all you want but that effort pays off and it's not cheating. If it's that easy everyone should be doing it

Furthermore anyone that is just memorizing other's work gets exposed at some point when they have to write papers, perform presentations or do work in other formats that don't allow them to just regurgitate information without understanding.

Brehs just always wanna cry bout the game not being fair... You are equating studying off tests, prepping by knowing questions in advance with copying a paper and presenting it like yours or essentially plagiarism. Problem is one is an accepted and effective method to pass tests and exams be it not an effective method to learn and the other is just fraud. I'm sure you know that thought. And plagiarism is an easy way to get expelled. Studying off of old papers isn't even frowned upon.

 

[Red Shield]

These Asians have absolutely no power to stop this. White folks have been protesting Asians being over represented at these schools for years and they’re determined to get them out.

Add the fact these schools have had rampant cheating scandals over the last couple of years it’s over.

You see it too



Whites saw what happened on the west coast to all of their schools, and ain't trying to have that shyt happen on the east coast/ivy leagues.



Black folk are just pawns in this fight..

 

[StarGirl]

The take away isn’t that Asian people are smarter.

I don’t know how people are getting that from this convo.

They’re actually dumb to think that the proposed changes are racist- being Asian doesn’t guarantee your kids a spot.

The takeaway is that any child reared in the right conditions to succeed will in fact have a better chance to succeed.

The myth of differing IQs among different races is just that- a myth. All things considered, if we adjust conditions to be equal for all children of all backgrounds, you’d see an equal amount of Black and Latino children in these schools (provided an equal number of black and Latino kids applied- the sad reality is that a lot of them are not properly made aware), and even good colleges in the future.

The caveat to that is, if we can figure out how to do that, then we would have solved racism.

 

[Danktoker94]

The take away isn’t that Asian people are smarter.

I don’t know how people are getting that from this convo.

They’re actually dumb to think that the proposed changes are racist- being Asian doesn’t guarantee your kids a spot.

The takeaway is that any child reared in the right conditions to succeed will in fact have a better chance to succeed.

The myth of differing IQs among different races is just that- a myth. All things considered, if we adjust conditions to be equal for all children of all backgrounds, you’d see an equal amount of Black and Latino children in these schools (provided an equal number of black and Latino kids applied- the sad reality is that a lot of them are not properly made aware), and even good colleges in the future.

The caveat to that is, if we can figure out how to do that, then we would have solved racism.

I'm on break now so I'll give you the rebuttal I wanted to your whole arguement is based on test that rarely change per year and are very isolated these tests lliterally have no indication of skill motor functions anything your whole opinion is that this one test should be the factor of a black child and Latino child who more than likely has very little to no extra financial support like there wealthy counter parts who can afford extra Educational assistance should be denied becuause of this that is just dumb stupid and dam right c00nish in order to trend u must begin and these test have been proven to be flawed so itsgreat that the city is finally ready to push this initiative forward I went to Andrew Jackson high Scool for 2 years than transferred to Bayside HS the kind of programs and level and degree of teaching was so much better that if I had stayed at jack I may have never went for my BA at Queens college what you fail to realize is. The idea is to desegregate the schools not get rid of test and mind you bayside isn't a specialized school buts it's pretty evident that this school is better funded which means if kids who are black or Latino get a chance at this program they will be able to get the same route Asians and whites do

 

[Street Knowledge]

Apparently Asian Americans are the only kids who cheat on tests. Everybody else does it fair and square

 

[HopeKillCure]

You can spin it all you want but that effort pays off and it's not cheating. If it's that easy everyone should be doing it

Furthermore anyone that is just memorizing other's work gets exposed at some point when they have to write papers, perform presentations or do work in other formats that don't allow them to just regurgitate information without understanding.

Brehs just always wanna cry bout the game not being fair... You are equating studying off tests, prepping by knowing questions in advance with copying a paper and presenting it like yours or essentially plagiarism. Problem is one is an accepted and effective method to pass tests and exams be it not an effective method to learn and the other is just fraud. I'm sure you know that thought. And plagiarism is an easy way to get expelled. Studying off of old papers isn't even frowned upon.

Cut that bullshyte out. Aint no spin. If you were allowed to do "it" , then you wouldnt have to be doing "it" in secret hush hush study groups.

There is no "effort", and you delusional if you think taking shortcuts that of your classmates are taking makes you hard working, if anything you are going out of your way NOT TO WORK HARD.

All of those things you suggesting are also nonsensical.

Simple test, if you go to the professor and say, hey someone took your class 2 years ago and im just going to use their paper to model mine, because you gave them an A for it, that professor would not be like "good idea!". Nor can you go to a professor talking about, Kim took your exam last week, and me and some friends are gonna study his experience with your exam to "prep" for our exam, that professor would fail you on the spot.

Cheating is cheating.

And the idea that "well, you would get exposed soon blah blah blah" that is a joke also, because you know how many incompetent people end up in postions of power they don't qualify for because of cheating, it doesnt make them smart.

Their cheating deprives us of legit smart people in high positions. Many people do fake it until they make it, but the faking it part is still dishonest and the ends doesnt justify the means. Cheating is wrong and most people agree and dont do it.

You have many pro athletes who cheat and are in sports now. They cheated their way into the MLB, or NBA, or NFL by using performance enhancing drugs and beat out a REAL HARDWORKING athlete who took the honest route, those cheaters are pieces of shyte, just like the cheats on academia are peices of shytes from keeping real hardworking students out.

 

[Danktoker94]

Apparently Asian Americans are the only kids who cheat on tests. Everybody else does it fair and square

Lemme guess your Asian lmaoo

 

[HopeKillCure]

Apparently Asian Americans are the only kids who cheat on tests. Everybody else does it fair and square

No, but they do it at an "overrepresented" level for their total population size.

 

[Azul]

As someone who got into Stuyvesant, I have mixed feelings about this.

On one hand I understand the unfair nature of a test that really depends on the ability of schools that teach you- we all know NYC public schools are completely different depending on where you go and I highly doubt I would have been given the right tools, had I not been privileged enough to have been in a district with a lot of funding (and consequently not a lot of minorities).

On the other hand, the SHSAT at its very core measures merit and doing away with the test will degrade the quality of these schools. I don’t care how it sounds- it will.

Fix the other districts and the underfunded middle schools- you don’t ruin good high schools to hide the fact that the NYC public school is so broken.

This. It is essentially a bandaid on a stab wound. There is SHSAT test prep (free) for low income students that almost specifically target Black and Latino students (high poverty students) but unfortunately they are underutilized. DeBlasio wants to eventually do away with the test and take the top 10% of the students in schools. A potential problem with this is that there are plenty of middle schools that are so shytty their A students might actually be a B student or worse. It is isn't farfetched that some of those students would get demoralized once they see how much further behind they are. Of course, there are those who I believe would rise to the occasion, but it hurts to see a kid feel completely inadequate and hurt because they are struggling.

I think a better solution is to
1) Work towards fixing the shytty middle schools (and some elementary schools). We often get students who are 6th graders but can't even read on a 4th grade level.
2) Provide accessible, in house prep for incoming black/latino middle school students with level 3 and 4 scores
3) Keep the test, but also include portfolios, state tests, teacher recommendations, and interviews in the review process.

 

[Azul]

No, but they do it at an "overrepresented" level for their total population size.

You're right. Tell me what you think of my suggestions.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Lemme guess your Asian lmaoo

I’m not everybody cheats

I knew people who had to cheat on the algebra regents just to get out of high school

 

[HopeKillCure]

You're right. Tell me what you think of my suggestions.

I think they can keep the test, and just teach black and latino students how to cheat better on exams and the gap will be filled within 2 years.

Test preps aint what is needed, that is not addressing the issues. Test preps are tryin to teach the children entire concepts, when all they really need are secrets to pass the exam and then they have 4 years to fully learn those concepts later with much better teachers and facilities.

I agree that there should be a "well rounded" component that measures something like "community outreach" or measures what else each student is doing to be more well rounded contributors to society besides playing DOTA and cheating on exams to be admitted

 

[StarGirl]

I'm on break now so I'll give you the rebuttal I wanted to your whole arguement is based on test that rarely change per year and are very isolated these tests lliterally have no indication of skill motor functions anything your whole opinion is that this one test should be the factor of a black child and Latino child who more than likely has very little to no extra financial support like there wealthy counter parts who can afford extra Educational assistance should be denied becuause of this that is just dumb stupid and dam right c00nish in order to trend u must begin and these test have been proven to be flawed so itsgreat that the city is finally ready to push this initiative forward I went to Andrew Jackson high Scool for 2 years than transferred to Bayside HS the kind of programs and level and degree of teaching was so much better that if I had stayed at jack I may have never went for my BA at Queens college what you fail to realize is. The idea is to desegregate the schools not get rid of test and mind you bayside isn't a specialized school buts it's pretty evident that this school is better funded which means if kids who are black or Latino get a chance at this program they will be able to get the same route Asians and whites do

I’m sorry, but it’s unfair to try to make me read this, dear. You’re gonna have to break this into sentences, paragraphs- something.

This. It is essentially a bandaid on a stab wound. There is SHSAT test prep (free) for low income students that almost specifically target Black and Latino students (high poverty students) but unfortunately they are underutilized. DeBlasio wants to eventually do away with the test and take the top 10% of the students in schools. A potential problem with this is that there are plenty of middle schools that are so shytty their A students might actually be a B student or worse. It is isn't farfetched that some of those students would get demoralized once they see how much further behind they are. Of course, there are those who I believe would rise to the occasion, but it hurts to see a kid feel completely inadequate and hurt because they are struggling.

I think a better solution is to
1) Work towards fixing the shytty middle schools (and some elementary schools). We often get students who are 6th graders but can't even read on a 4th grade level.
2) Provide accessible, in house prep for incoming black/latino middle school students with level 3 and 4 scores
3) Keep the test, but also include portfolios, state tests, teacher recommendations, and interviews in the review process.

You had me until number 3, mama. Who do you think the teachers would be recommending? Also the state tests are too easy. They should only measure the bare minimum.

 

[Street Knowledge]

No, but they do it at an "overrepresented" level for their total population size.

So they are better at cheating then everybody else?

 

[HopeKillCure]

So they are better at cheating then everybody else?

For their population size, yes.