good point, but still there are angles where i almost thought i was looking at a goofy human. i think the female jazz singer in particular looked real in a couple shots.
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CinnaSlim
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Telling people to enjoy the journey doesnt mean you can't have an end goal in mind. It means dont lose sight of everything else and develop tunnel vision in pursuit of it.
You identify with having a purpose so it makes sense that the meaning or moral behind the film would feel threatening.
What “tunnel Vision” did Joe develop throughout the movie besides...you know...wanting to LIVE again?
He was working, mentoring kids, had his own life. Nothing about his character suggests that he had tunnel vision. Only that he had regrets that his dream of being a Jazz pianist hadn’t come to fruition. A dream he was ACTIVELY working towards. There’s nothing whatsoever that he needed to be “taught” to enjoy the journey.
What the hell was the point of him even standing up to his mother only for him to end the movie with a “Don’t know what I want...but hey at least i’ll enjoy the taste of pizza
”fukk this movie
Actually, there were a few scenes that highlighted Joe's tunnel vision in the film. Joe represented a lot of people with dreams who think down on others who they feel like aren't destined for greatness like they are.What “tunnel Vision” did Joe develop throughout the movie besides...you know...wanting to LIVE again?
He was working, mentoring kids, had his own life. Nothing about his character suggests that he had tunnel vision. Only that he had regrets that his dream of being a Jazz pianist hadn’t come to fruition. A dream he was ACTIVELY working towards. There’s nothing whatsoever that he needed to be “taught” to enjoy the journey.
What the hell was the point of him even standing up to his mother only for him to end the movie with a “Don’t know what I want...but hey at least i’ll enjoy the taste of pizza
fukk this movie
He was a self obsessed person who didn't realize how his life already had purpose because his vision didn't align with his reality. The barbershop scene portrayed this perfectly. Dreamers and idealists love talking about all the shyt they are into and completely disregard others in conversation. He never asked his barber about himself on a deeper level because he didn't care, because his story wasn't big or important enough for Joe.
The conversation with his mom's was a real one. When she talks about how her business paid the bills while his pops chased his dreams, she was speaking from experience and Joe was speaking from emotion. Joe already influenced countless kids through mentoring and teaching music, one of them was one of his favorite bands, people need to start evaluating their legacy and purpose by how many people they've positively impacted in life opposed to fame.
There was no sense that Joe thought “down” on anyone. He took time out of his day to mentor and teach kids music. Doesn’t seem like such a thoughtless person to me. He even knew EXACTLY what to say to the young girl who was faking the funk about “quitting” music. Doesn’t seem like a man who only cares about himself and his own dreams if he took the time to know enough about the child that what she really needed was a pep talk.
About the barber. We all know black barbershops and how that works. Black barbershops are traditionally our “therapists” in a sense. Part of their job evolves into asking you about your day, listening to what you have going on, shooting the shyt, etc. Doesn’t mean Joe thought “Down” on his barber because he never asked him about himself.
Face it. The movie did an absolutely TERRIBLE job of portraying Joe as this “self obsessed” individual in need of learning this big overblown lesson on the “value” of life. He was a decent man, working a job, who had higher goals and aspirations. Goals and aspirations that he was WORKING TOWARDS whilst being a productive member of society. I have yet to hear anybody explain how this is a bad thing or exactly WHY Joe needed to “change” or learn anything. Black men having goals is good. Black men having aspirations is good. Black men WORKING towards those aspirations while never giving up is good. So long as those black men understand that they have to sustain themselves in other (legal) ways until such a time as their “break” comes. Joe’s break came and the movie stripped him of that because..... “Purpose isn’t what life is about”
thats one of the STUPIDEST things i’ve ever heard honestly
mic drop and co sign 100%
Scustin Bieburr
Baby baybee baybee UUUGH
I agree with this take, but at the end I was expecting him to realize that his true passion and "purpose" was to inspire other people. I really thought they were going to do something with that love interest of his that was mentioned once and he'd start a family and find a way to flip his love of jazz into something else like being a music critic or writing a book.
But I guess that's what they could do for a second film if this one does well.
There was no sense that Joe thought “down” on anyone. He took time out of his day to mentor and teach kids music. Doesn’t seem like such a thoughtless person to me. He even knew EXACTLY what to say to the young girl who was faking the funk about “quitting” music. Doesn’t seem like a man who only cares about himself and his own dreams if he took the time to know enough about the child that what she really needed was a pep talk.
About the barber. We all know black barbershops and how that works. Black barbershops are traditionally our “therapists” in a sense. Part of their job evolves into asking you about your day, listening to what you have going on, shooting the shyt, etc. Doesn’t mean Joe thought “Down” on his barber because he never asked him about himself.
Face it. The movie did an absolutely TERRIBLE job of portraying Joe as this “self obsessed” individual in need of learning this big overblown lesson on the “value” of life. He was a decent man, working a job, who had higher goals and aspirations. Goals and aspirations that he was WORKING TOWARDS whilst being a productive member of society. I have yet to hear anybody explain how this is a bad thing or exactly WHY Joe needed to “change” or learn anything. Black men having goals is good. Black men having aspirations is good. Black men WORKING towards those aspirations while never giving up is good. So long as those black men understand that they have to sustain themselves in other (legal) ways until such a time as their “break” comes. Joe’s break came and the movie stripped him of that because..... “Purpose isn’t what life is about”
To play Devil's Advocate, when the trombone player came to his place threatening to quit, 22 started talking to her through the door and the little girl intrigued 22 with her responses so 22 went to talk to her about her feelings.
One could say that if 22 doesn't do that, the girl ends up quitting and that's that. She was probably the most talented player in the class and music could be her ticket to a number of life changing opportunities and Joe was fine letting her give it up.
I get the barber angle you're saying, but it's also aligns with my point about how some people are self obsessed... Everyone isn't purposely this way, hence why the term tunnel vision was thrown out there. Joe was sitting in his chair for years and he had no clue about his story pre-barbershop... Which I get it if you're not the type for conversation, but Joe was always talking, just about what he was into and his aspirations.
And yes, he was a decent man, living a decent life, with people who cared for him, but he was still empty inside. That's why the message to value what you have hits home at the end of the film. It's not saying don't strive and go for your dreams, it's saying, while you're living take in everything as it comes and don't take life for granted along the way
this is a best way to sum it up.
Joe didn’t even want the job teaching that’s why he was 
when ol girl gave him the full time check
the only main thing that’s been mentioned I feel they could have done was make it blatantly obvious at the end that the point was to enjoy the journey and that his actual purpose was teaching and mentoring others (jazz girl, curly, 22). It being a kids movie I thought they would have done it but
On the barber shyt, hell my barber be talking to me 3x as much as I be talking to him. Isn’t that where the memes and shyt about the barbers taking so long to cut your hair come from cause they be stopping to talk with they hands and shyt.
when ol girl gave him the full time checkthe only main thing that’s been mentioned I feel they could have done was make it blatantly obvious at the end that the point was to enjoy the journey and that his actual purpose was teaching and mentoring others (jazz girl, curly, 22). It being a kids movie I thought they would have done it but
On the barber shyt, hell my barber be talking to me 3x as much as I be talking to him. Isn’t that where the memes and shyt about the barbers taking so long to cut your hair come from cause they be stopping to talk with they hands and shyt.
Really enjoyed this. The barbershop scene was great and so relatable. Me and my barber pretty much grew up together so convos like that pop off all the time. Like others are saying it felt kind of incomplete towards the end. I know it was implicated but it needed to be vocalized that his talent and purpose was to influence others, and teaching the younger generation. I felt like they didnt really drive that home (yea I know they showed the scenes of his past) but the animation was breathtaking and the way the black characters were animated was so on point.
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He was literally so focused on the gig that he died of not paying attention to his surroundings.What “tunnel Vision” did Joe develop throughout the movie besides...you know...wanting to LIVE again?
He was working, mentoring kids, had his own life. Nothing about his character suggests that he had tunnel vision. Only that he had regrets that his dream of being a Jazz pianist hadn’t come to fruition. A dream he was ACTIVELY working towards. There’s nothing whatsoever that he needed to be “taught” to enjoy the journey.
What the hell was the point of him even standing up to his mother only for him to end the movie with a “Don’t know what I want...but hey at least i’ll enjoy the taste of pizza
fukk this movie
There was no sense that Joe thought “down” on anyone. He took time out of his day to mentor and teach kids music. Doesn’t seem like such a thoughtless person to me. He even knew EXACTLY what to say to the young girl who was faking the funk about “quitting” music. Doesn’t seem like a man who only cares about himself and his own dreams if he took the time to know enough about the child that what she really needed was a pep talk.
About the barber. We all know black barbershops and how that works. Black barbershops are traditionally our “therapists” in a sense. Part of their job evolves into asking you about your day, listening to what you have going on, shooting the shyt, etc. Doesn’t mean Joe thought “Down” on his barber because he never asked him about himself.
Face it. The movie did an absolutely TERRIBLE job of portraying Joe as this “self obsessed” individual in need of learning this big overblown lesson on the “value” of life. He was a decent man, working a job, who had higher goals and aspirations. Goals and aspirations that he was WORKING TOWARDS whilst being a productive member of society. I have yet to hear anybody explain how this is a bad thing or exactly WHY Joe needed to “change” or learn anything. Black men having goals is good. Black men having aspirations is good. Black men WORKING towards those aspirations while never giving up is good. So long as those black men understand that they have to sustain themselves in other (legal) ways until such a time as their “break” comes. Joe’s break came and the movie stripped him of that because..... “Purpose isn’t what life is about”
You have a more positive outlook on his teaching than what was shown. He had that part time job to pay the bills because his career playing music wasn't paying off. He was completely dismissal of the girl when she came to his place to quit music and was basically saying whatever to get rid of her.
Playing music was his whole life and he only really related to other people in relation to their interest in music. He couldn't hold a real conversation on any other topic. He had tunnel vision in relation to his dream.
Rayzah
I'm Everywhere you ain't never there
There was no sense that Joe thought “down” on anyone. He took time out of his day to mentor and teach kids music. Doesn’t seem like such a thoughtless person to me. He even knew EXACTLY what to say to the young girl who was faking the funk about “quitting” music. Doesn’t seem like a man who only cares about himself and his own dreams if he took the time to know enough about the child that what she really needed was a pep talk.
About the barber. We all know black barbershops and how that works. Black barbershops are traditionally our “therapists” in a sense. Part of their job evolves into asking you about your day, listening to what you have going on, shooting the shyt, etc. Doesn’t mean Joe thought “Down” on his barber because he never asked him about himself.
Face it. The movie did an absolutely TERRIBLE job of portraying Joe as this “self obsessed” individual in need of learning this big overblown lesson on the “value” of life. He was a decent man, working a job, who had higher goals and aspirations. Goals and aspirations that he was WORKING TOWARDS whilst being a productive member of society. I have yet to hear anybody explain how this is a bad thing or exactly WHY Joe needed to “change” or learn anything. Black men having goals is good. Black men having aspirations is good. Black men WORKING towards those aspirations while never giving up is good. So long as those black men understand that they have to sustain themselves in other (legal) ways until such a time as their “break” comes. Joe’s break came and the movie stripped him of that because..... “Purpose isn’t what life is about”
Whoa, you missed the whole point of the movie.
Joe didn’t really give a shyt about anything or anyone else other than jazz. He only wanted to get gigs, he ain’t want a full time job as a teacher.
He only mentored the girl cause it gave him a chance to be around jazz. He was trying to get her to have his same passion
He been working on his dream all this time and has yet to do anything else with his life.
You are so caught up in the details that you are also missing the point. Joe wasn’t happy because he never became a big jazz player. He didn’t date, he didn’t have real friends and he didn’t even have anyone come see him in the hospital. He was a middle age man and his only friend was his mom.
He finally got to play his dream gig and he still felt empty. The point is life isn’t about checking off boxes. It’s not a purpose or meaning, Live your life and do what you enjoy but most importantly be happy that you are alive.
It wasn’t that deep,
Rayzah
I'm Everywhere you ain't never there
He didn’t want to be a full time teacher, that would have taken away from his time to do jazz shows. His big breakMovie kind of threw itself off when Joe at the very beginning was on a come up of both being a teacher (offered a full time job), and as a musician (getting a big break), only to end with "i dunno lol
The shyt just wasn't that deep, wasn't that good, and had some questionable elements to it.
1. Got him killed
2. After he finally did it he still wasn’t happy
He ain’t want to have a routine job he just wanted to play at different venues whenever he wanted.
Joe didn’t even want the job teaching that’s why he was
the only main thing that’s been mentioned I feel they could have done was make it blatantly obvious at the end that the point was to enjoy the journey and that his actual purpose was teaching and mentoring others (jazz girl, curly, 22). It being a kids movie I thought they would have done it but
On the barber shyt, hell my barber be talking to me 3x as much as I be talking to him. Isn’t that where the memes and shyt about the barbers taking so long to cut your hair come from cause they be stopping to talk with they hands and shyt.
he ain’t want to mentor or teach tho. They even said in the movie that thinking that you are defined by a purpose or career was a basic way of thinking.
or you can say your life’s purpose is to simply enjoy living life and not obsessing over one thing.