Pixar's SOUL (june 19, 2020)

[The Wolf Among You]

Pixar knocked it out of the park again for me.

How anyone could watch it all, and come away with “Purpose is useless” is mind boggling.

 

[mastermind]

It's a fukking cartoon. This shyt ain't that deep, you dudes are the worst. Looking for symbolism in every fukking aspect.

A lot of people need to feel superior and smarter and find what isn’t there. The internet breeds that stupidity.

 

[RAX 010]

I wonder what happened with 22

 

[Scottie Drippin]

These takes

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

But as depressing as that is, its true as fukk. In the end of the day there is no reason for anything, if you find your purpose or not you will die in the end of the day anyways. Why spend your whole life looking for your "purpose" (which for 90% of Americans is some sort of capitalistic endeavor, ie making some cac some money) and enjoy the life you have if you have the opportunity.

When 22 took over Joes body, to me that was like him learning to accept himself. In the beginning of the movie he was hiding from his mom, hated his job, and was constantly looking to fulfilling his purpose.

When 22 took over she told his mom what up and she actually supported him. He connected with his barber in a deeper way because as 22 he didn't have to rant to his barber about Jazz but actually got to connect on a deeper level because they had a conversation about themselves.

Joe himself even got to realize the finality of making your life about capitalistic endeavors, even if it ties into your interests when he played in the band. It is unfulfilling. Right after he played in the band, which was his dream, the thing he thought he wanted, the thing that he thought would get his mothers respect, he asked what's next.

She looked at that nikka like "What's next? nikka you come to work tomorrow, that's what's next"

That's it, he basically got his dream job and it didn't give him what he needed. If he spent his time enjoying his life and loved being himself like 22, instead of waiting to enjoy his life he may have been more fulfilled at that point.

The barber kind of had the lesson summarized in where he had a dream to be a vet but because of circumstances he had to become a barber. Instead of still focusing on being a vet and wasting years of his life and enjoyment on something he may not have even really liked he found how to enjoy being a barber and make the most out of that.

I don't think the lesson is settle but more, enjoy the life you have because you only have one, then you are off to the great beyond.

"Some of us fall and some of us fly, but at the of the book baby all of us die." Styles P

 

[Peter Popoff]

I liked this movie.

 

[NOSaintsFan02]

Movie was cool. Didn’t really tug at my emotions and ended kinda abruptly. They did a good job capturing aspects of black culture tho

This is my opinion of the movie to a tee.

I was reading the first 2 pages and getting kind of worried that I was going to be an outlier how the first few posters were praising this lol. I was like "damn I didn't think movie was that good but ok"

Then this thread took a complete 180 cuz there's always that one Coli poster lol

But yeah, good movie. Inspiring message. Certainly don't think it's a masterpiece or at any point did I even come close to crying.

 

[gluvnast]

Keeping it a buck, the more I think about this, the less high I'm on it.

The ending was a complete copout. Dude could've continued music or teaching, he clearly had passions for both.

No, 22 doesn't have a defined gender, race, or voice, but @Ziggiy isn't entirely off base, regardless of how you feel about it.

Gotta agree with @Conz too in that that was Joe really that flawed of a person to even go through all this?

Its just...this was kinda hyped for me and it really wasn't that.

I don't think it's a copout, rather than I feel it was a compromise. I feels like the true ending was him going to the Great Beyond, but obviously because this is Disney, they cannot simply advertise him actually committing suicide. That's controversy written all over. So they had to end it on a more ambiguous note where he gets a 2nd chance at life with a totally different perspective than he had initially. It doesn't mean he's lost his passion for music or anything, but come with more of an appreciation to living in general.

And it is entirely off-base when trying to make it this racial, because once again the one thing that is guaranteed in everything that exist and living is it will DIE. Death as with life is universal. And souls are spirits. Spirits do not have a physical presence so it makes no sense to create something just off the strength of who's cast for a genderless, raceless character that doesn't exist both in literal context and cinematic context. 22 is an unborn soul, and they made a point NOT to show where 22 went to even identify what race or gender 22 would of became. So how else can you justify this unless you cannot get passed the fact Tina Fey voiced the character despite even they addressed the voice issue in the film?

As for Joe. Joe supposed to be flawed. He represents the literal "average Joe". Someone who's just going through the motions and nothing beyond that. His only passion he has is music and what's interesting with this message is that in other movies, the typical message is to sacrifice everything to go pursue your dream whereas in this movie, it turns that message on its head by asking once you actually reach your dream, and then what? Every human being is flawed. We aren't perfect. Some of us have real shytty lives, and there's some who have successful lives in face value, but feel miserable inside. This film actually delves deeper into those themes of what is purpose and what is the real point of living. Joe was someone who didn't like his job as a music band teacher part-time and was actually upset when he was promoted to full-time because that's not what he wanted in life. He was someone who was middle aged and unmarried, that may like a woman that he never really pursued because his desire was elsewhere which was to get put on this band. Someone who felt intimidated by his mother because her mother wanted him to be more pragmatic in his life goals and not be chasing something she feels he was never going to reach. There's millions of "Joes" in the world. What's the point of making Joe perfect, unflawed which ceases him to have a character arc or growth?

 

[gluvnast]

Movie kind of threw itself off when Joe at the very beginning was on a come up of both being a teacher (offered a full time job), and as a musician (getting a big break), only to end with "i dunno lol "

The shyt just wasn't that deep, wasn't that good, and had some questionable elements to it.

I disagree with you on saying it wasn't that deep, because think about what you just said. The movie STARTED with Joe being on the come up. He did get a promotion. He did get the gig of his dreams. And immediately he DIES. Think about that for a second. I know it's cliche to say "tomorrow's not promise", but that's the truth. You do not know when your time is up. You do not know when death is going to come to you. Everything maybe going right for you, then suddenly you die unexpectant or have a near death experience. Many people, and there's been countless of testimonies, when they have a near death experience, such as surviving a car accident, or getting shot or some type of cancer, their whole outlook in life changes and they become more appreciative of being simply alive. And view life from a totally different perspective than seeking purpose or reaching goals and milestones. So, in the end of the film, his whole entire outlook on life is completely transformed. He still loves music, but's not the only thing he cares about or what he sees himself living FOR. He already achieved his life goal dream anyway only to realize that after the euphoric moment of playing with the band, it still left him empty and it's something he know he'll never recapture. It wasn't enough. But now with this new understanding of life, he can venture into the world like a new man. The barbershop scene did a bit of foreshadowing, because the barber's dream and passion was that to be a veterinarian, but he ended up becoming a barber, not by CHOICE. But he learned to end up loving it, maybe more than his initial love of being a veterinarian. Joe is now at that point where his true love is ahead, and the ups and downs coming to it is there as well. With his newfound appreciation with life, he is more prepared mentally than he was previously. He doesn't know what he'll end up becoming, he just knows that he'll enjoy the journey.

 

[SuburbanPimp]

Loved the movie, very well done... It's also kind of deep that dude that made it says he was inspired because after the success of Inside out he felt like " So now what?" Said he felt kind of empty and it wasn't as satisfying as he thought it would be. Which was the main theme I got from this that it's about the journey and not necessarily the destination.

 

[Bickin Back Being Bool]

amazing movie, glad I watched it tonight, I needed this

Happy new year

 

[RennisDeynolds]

First Pixar movie that is for adults only, kids won’t get much from this. I liked it but expected a bit more. Perfect timing for the release - for all the bad shyt going on in 2020 it had a decent message

Pixar was going stupid with the animation quality of this one

 

[Conz]

it was crazy how most of the characters were oddly proportioned and obviously cartoonish but still somehow had a ton of realism to them.

 

[Dillah810]

it was crazy how most of the characters were oddly proportioned and obviously cartoonish but still somehow had a ton of realism to them.

I think that's because the characters are drawn more like caricatures and less like cartoons. For example, have you ever gotten a caricature of yourself drawn at a street festival? The caricature has exaggerated proportions, but it still looks just like you.

 

[GoldenGlove]

First Pixar movie that is for adults only, kids won’t get much from this. I liked it but expected a bit more. Perfect timing for the release - for all the bad shyt going on in 2020 it had a decent message

Pixar was going stupid with the animation quality of this one

I watched it with a 3 year old.

To my surprise she watched the whole thing. She thought Joe's soul in the cat was hilarious, along with 22 walking like a ragdoll in the hospital.

She asked me if they were ghosts as the movie progressed also