“People Who Downplay Latinos Role In Hip Hop Are SO STUPID” - KRS-One

[Budda]

Nah when become what he is. You can never take the focus away from his motives which in this case were his new embrace of xenophobia. He had no issues regarding this in the past and he didn't make this video for the truth simply if that was the case it wouldn't be in dispute with the people who were actually there.

It’s not about Tariq though it’s about the history of Hip Hop. If he kept to documentaries like these no one would have a problem with him, making documentaries clearing up long held myths is not xenophobia, this is not what Tariq gets backlash for and the topic should be allowed its own respect without anyone sullying it because it’s a needed conversation.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

You're playing with the outdated "Great Man" view of history that pretends history is a series of major figures emerging out of nowhere to create something totally unique on their own. That's the simplistic shyt you pick up from schoolbook history cause they like easy narratives. Real art, especially music and especially hip hop music, has always been formed by entire communities of people involved together and playing off of each other. There were Puerto Ricans in the b-boy and graffiti scenes before anyone in those scenes even had a public name like that. Guys like Crazy Legs were taught to break dance by Puerto Rican and Black dancers who were older than he was. There were Puerto Ricans grooving in the crowd at those DJ Kool Herc parties - hell, Joe Conzo Jr. took some of the early pictures of the scene cause he was there. DJ Disco Wiz had an impact in the 1970s, but it's not like he was the first Latino to step into the scene, we're never going to know the name of every participant like that. And why do you even care? Seriously, other than a thing to argue over and divide people on, what are you going to get out of this at all?

Thank you. But we got a bunch of fake historians with YouTube videos of nikkas barbershop cackling about "wUz U tHerE!!? Did you know DJ Magical Space Wizard!!!" like high school children and that's suppose to prove everything.

Again, as I mentioned earlier they weren’t MC’ing or Prioneers of DJ. The 2 things that kept the lights on for hip hop. I never disputed graffiti and bboy. I said DJs were later and that they weren’t rappers . You said instrumental though and he said they had presence. There’s a difference. Plus, they were a part of his crew , they were guest. Hip hop was already formed and Latinos joined the party.


Edit-you know what, I actually don’t even care who get credit anymore. I’m growing to hate this shyt anyway

You ain't heard nothing the breh said. Again, thinking specific names defines a community culture.

How did these Latinos become part of these early Hip Hop crews, including his own? Because they were already apart of the culture and apart of his circle. You make it sound like he sent out a job application and gave Puerto Ricans training on how to do this Hip Hop thing black people invented in a conference room.

They was friends, part of his crew, doing the same shyt together, and part of the culture that was happening around them. That's it.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

It’s not about Tariq though it’s about the history of Hip Hop. If he kept to documentaries like these no one would have a problem with him, making documentaries clearing up long held myths is not xenophobia, this is not what Tariq gets backlash for and the topic should be allowed its own respect without anyone sullying it because it’s a needed conversation.

yes it's about Tariq
he is getting backlash from New Yorkers lol. the motivation was not to tell truth it was to detach who he considers tethers from hip hop history.

But he can't rewrite the past to suit his current viewpoints and neither can his support base. Like it or not there were Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans around hip hop when it was birthed.

What you are saying doesn't work here. He is not just some guy with controversial viewpoints who made an objective film despite that. He's a guy with controversial viewpoints who inserted his agenda into this film. So telling the truth was not the goal. It was about telling a truth he was happy about and omitting parts he doesn't like.

 

[Budda]

yes it's about Tariq
he is getting backlash from New Yorkers lol. the motivation was not to tell truth it was to detach who he considers tethers from hip hop history.

But he can't rewrite the past to suit his current viewpoints and neither can his support base. Like it or not there were Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans around hip hop when it was birthed.

What you are saying doesn't work here. He is not just some guy with controversial viewpoints who made an objective film despite that. He's a guy with controversial viewpoints who inserted his agenda into this film. So telling the truth was not the goal. It was about telling a truth he was happy about and omitting parts he doesn't like.

Forget Tariq there have been people on this very forum talking about this topic and correcting myths before he even jumped on the bandwagon to the point I even thought he was getting info from here!

That’s kinda the point you keep peddling myths that have been corrected, there weren’t hardly any Puerto Ricans when Hip Hop was birthed in the early 70’s partaking in it according to people who were actually there! But you just say it like it’s a fact because that’s what you’ve been lead to believe, just like we’ve all been lead to believe the genre originated in the Soutn of Bronx as opposed to the west…

The topic is much bigger than Tariq, and I generally haven’t had any problems with Tariqs documentaries anyways.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

Three years from now, Tariq is going to find out that the first slaves in Jamestown were probably from Angola. He'll start arguing that Nigerians, Ghanians, and the rest didn't come until later. So then he's going to declare that anyone with Nigerian blood isn't a true "Foundational Black American", only those with Angolan genes are.

We let's see so far...

Black Nationalism vs. Civil Rights Activism,
To
West Coast vs East coast
To
Dark Skin vs. Light Skin
To
Hoteps vs. "c00ns"
To
Black Men vs. Black Women
To
Caribbeans/Africans vs. FBA™

I think the next trendy evolution in self hating c00n rumble stupidity is maybe North vs South?

We'll have nikkas from NYC, Detroit, Chicago claiming Southern dudes steal off of Northern swag, style, fashion; stole, misappropriated, and ruined Hip Hop culture, are all poor and dusty. Maybe start producing racist AI images of poor toothless black people as thumbnails for their content.

Then we gonna have cats from NOLA, Atlanta, Memphis like "was your parents in the south during the civil rights movements? Are you a descendant of black people living in the south pre-1965? If your grandparents are not from the south pre-1965, you cannot speak on black power! The Black Panthers actually started in the south. Huey Newton was just copying southern black American culture. But Fred Hampton was raised by SBA parents and came from SBA thinking. He was copying SBA....oh and Rapping was invented by scat singers and Baptist church accapella groups in the 40s. NYC nikkas was jackin southern black culture as usual! "


Think of the hilarity.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

It's disingenuous because rapping was the youngest least important element in the early stages of hip-hop. To focus specifically on that ignores the rest of what built it, and that's being done purposely.

Not true. In the Bronx scene that was true because they only started off with bboys and music. In Harlem, they had the rappers and the fashion. The big soundsystems really was a Queens and Brooklyn thing.

The most important aspect/element that turned "HipHop" into an actual global movement was the Rapper.

 

[King Poetic]

Tariq is showing you how easily “black” people can be manipulated by one of our “own”

I personally believe he doesn’t give a sht about any of this but to his followers he is Mr FBA lol which he grifted from Tone, Evette and the ADOS movement that was picking up steam. SMH

He doesn’t

He trying to put his hands into anything to keep his name out here and pockets full

he’s a pure flip flopper

A pimp, a guidance counselor, hip hop historian, a politician, a welder, a gardener, truck driver, Malcolm X, Huey Newton, Bob Dole, Bob Dillan,

 

[Uncouth Savage]

One of the biggest factors missed in this discussion.

IN Puerto Rico or the Caribbean
Fat Joe = American
Biggie, Busta, Pete Rock, Herc = American

They are loved and respected yet they are viewed as Nuyoricans/Yankee

There is a MAJOR difference between someone BORN and/or RAISED in America
Vs someone who arrived 10 years ago

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You're playing with the outdated "Great Man" view of history that pretends history is a series of major figures emerging out of nowhere to create something totally unique on their own. That's the simplistic shyt you pick up from schoolbook history cause they like easy narratives. Real art, especially music and especially hip hop music, has always been formed by entire communities of people involved together and playing off of each other. There were Puerto Ricans in the b-boy and graffiti scenes before anyone in those scenes even had a public name like that. Guys like Crazy Legs were taught to break dance by Puerto Rican and Black dancers who were older than he was.

There were Puerto Ricans grooving in the crowd at those DJ Kool Herc parties

There were no Ricans at Kool Herc parties lol

- hell, Joe Conzo Jr. took some of the early pictures of the scene cause he was there. DJ Disco Wiz had an impact in the 1970s, but it's not like he was the first Latino to step into the scene, we're never going to know the name of every participant like that. And why do you even care?

Since when was 1978 "early hiphop"?

In 1978, while attending South Bronx High School, Conzo became friends with members of the Cold Crush Brothers, an important and influential early Hip Hop group which included DJs Charlie Chase and Tony Tone and MCs Grandmaster Caz, JDL, Easy AD, and Almighty KayGee. Conzo became the group’s photographer, documenting their live performances in many of Hip Hop’s legendary early venues, such as the T-Connection, Disco Fever, Harlem World, the Ecstasy Garage, and the Hoe Avenue Boy’s Club. He also took pictures of other Hip Hop artists and groups, including The Treacherous 3, The Fearless 4, and The Fantastic 5.

Cornell University Hip Hop Collection

Cornell University Library's Hip Hop Collection - The Archive of Joe Conzo, Jr.

rmc.library.cornell.edu

Seriously, other than a thing to argue over and divide people on, what are you going to get out of this at all?

Caz











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The REAL FACTS from the Rican side

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

there weren’t hardly any Puerto Ricans when Hip Hop was birthed in the early 70’s partaking in it

This is your brain on Tariq Nasheed documentaries.

 

[vino]

Thank you. But we got a bunch of fake historians with YouTube videos of nikkas barbershop cackling about "wUz U tHerE!!? Did you know DJ Magical Space Wizard!!!" like high school children and that's suppose to prove everything.



You ain't heard nothing the breh said. Again, thinking specific names defines a community culture.

How did these Latinos become part of these early Hip Hop crews, including his own? Because they were already apart of the culture and apart of his circle. You make it sound like he sent out a job application and gave Puerto Ricans training on how to do this Hip Hop thing black people invented in a conference room.

They was friends, part of his crew, doing the same shyt together, and part of the culture that was happening around them. That's it.

They were welcomed guest. It’s funny, I asked to name Puerto Rican MC’s and everyone has said everything but a name of a MC that was there at the beginning. Meanwhile, we get a long list of Black MC’s.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

This is your brain on Tariq Nasheed documentaries.

Stop bringing up Tariq to deflect from the FACTS...everything in his docu, I posted on this very board way back in 2014/2015

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/fact-the-first-rappers-wasnt-from-da-bronx-they-was-pimps-down-south.62884/post-8953169

The facts are the facts and they were the facts before anyone knew who Tariq was. There's a reason Jamaicans and Ricans can't provide any receipts to the ancestral precursors of HipHop but FBA can do it for days!

 

[Uncouth Savage]

They were welcomed guest. It’s funny, I asked to name Puerto Rican MC’s and everyone has said everything but a name of a that was there at the beginning. Meanwhile, we get a long list of Black MC’s.

You do know that a large majority of puerto ricans are DARK SKINNED right?
Like black black
Like real dark skinned.

How would you know a puerto rican in a party different from a blk american if you a stranger to them?

For example I went to school with MANY dark skinned puerto ricans and if they did not tell you, you would not know

Are you able to tell who is who?

 

[mag357]

Dumb fukk

Talk to me...
What's up.
Tell me about hip hop.

Are you even from any of the boroughs

 

[vino]

You do know that a large majority of puerto ricans are DARK SKINNED right?
Like black black
Like real dark skinned.

How would you know a puerto rican in a party different from a blk american if you a stranger to them?

For example I went to school with MANY dark skinned puerto ricans and if they did not tell you, you would not know

Are you able to tell who is who?

….come on man. Now, the Puerto Ricans blended in with Blavk people.