People who don't understand the significance of Superman not killing!

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:what:Batman callously left Ras al Ghul to die in that train at the end of the movie when he had every chance to save Ras and even made a big point of doing it.


That or Burton's batman taking out people indiscriminately :russ:

He blew up a factory full of people
He opened fire on the joker in downtown Gotham and still missed him
He lit a clown on fire
He strapped a bomb to someone's chest and threw him down the sewer
 

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How did singers superman turn out again?

Oh yeah. It flopped. Because the audience doesn't want to see it.

But yes let's keep pretending Rotten tomatoes scores are what the audience is exactly in tune with
What about R. Donner?
Here's an idea how about Zach come up with something original? Nothing Donner, Singer or Moore ever did for the character or a similar one? Don't be mad at me that the character hasn't been done well recently. I know you want to prop up MoS as something more profound than it is but it's not working. :mjgrin:
 

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If they keep snyder away then I have high hopes. Dude completely fails at giving superman any type of character. Just cause I want a more realistic superman doesn't mean I want a silent, unopinionated superman.

As for his character after he comes back to life? I kinda want them to go the injustice route that they were hinting at in BvS.

It would take a lot of guts to build superman into a bad guy for the justice League to face eventually.

I don't think DC has the balls honestly
Now that would be original to the film medium for Supes. :ehh:
 

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I argue the superman point because in the Watchman universe Dr Manhattan is the only being with power and he was once human. He never learned he was special or earned his power through some trial. It was completely random and could have happened to anyone. While the idea of Watchman is about what if Superheroes did exist and what that would look like a character like Superman who identity is tied into his alien nature is not a proper analogy to what Dr. Manhattan represents. Doc Manhattan is not judging man from on high he is a character who is taken out of the cave and can no longer relate to anyone.
We are talking about the concepts of the watchmen and how it relates to realistic portrayals of super hero's.

You are doing a direct comparison of the characters.

:hhh:

Don't be so obtuse, you know damn well what the concept of the watchmen is.
 

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What about R. Donner?
Here's an idea how about Zach come up with something original? Nothing Donner, Singer or Moore ever did for the character or a similar one? Don't be mad at me that the character hasn't been done well recently. I know you want to prop up MoS as something more profound than it is but it's not working. :mjgrin:
How about the fact that MOS had 75% of the audience liking it by audience standards.

Meanwhile superman returns has 61%

Looks like you're in the minority of people that didn't like it.

Looks like people prefered the film and this adaptation of Superman.

How about you deal with the reality that a critic RT score is not how the audience feels.

A Disney Stan talking about originality. That's rich.
 

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Fell down the Youtube rabbit hole. Got into a back and forth with a couple of DCMU fan's. The crux of their argument was basically. "Superman should kill. His foes are generally insanely powerful warlords, or very powerful beings who have no issue with doing so" basically WHY Should Superman have to live up to the same standards as his foes.

This is the thing. Superman is basically a GOD. The simplest way I could put this is when Superman decides to kill, whether it be a super powered threat, The head of a major conglomerate trying to take over the world through political and financial clout etc...

HE WOULD BECOME A THREAT IN THE EYES OF HUMANITY!!!

Superman isn't beholden to any laws. any country/government, or any military.

He can do pretty much what the fukk he wants to. WHEN he want's to.

You cannot have superman murdering people. villains or otherwise.
Great Post.
He represents goodness.
 

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Now that would be original to the film medium for Supes. :ehh:
The groundwork was already laid in BvS too.

With the nightmare and the warning from flash.

shyt could go down as the biggest battle in comicbook movie history, and it would be hard to top.

It could also make BvS better in hindsight when you connect everything together.

But we all know DC doesn't have the balls to turn their most popular hero into a villain.

:francis:
 

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We are talking about the concepts of the watchmen and how it relates to realistic portrayals of super hero's.

You are doing a direct comparison of the characters.

:hhh:

Don't be so obtuse, you know damn well what the concept of the watchmen is.

I do and superman does not enter into that idea for me. But then again Superman is not a realistic character but I thought this thread was about Superman killing?
 

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How about the fact that MOS had 75% of the audience liking it by audience standards.

Meanwhile superman returns has 61%

Looks like you're in the minority of people that didn't like it.

Looks like people prefered the film and this adaptation of Superman.

How about you deal with the reality that a critic RT score is not how the audience feels.

A Disney Stan talking about originality. That's rich.
Thor the Dark World had 77% audience liking and you shyt on that routinely. So will you stop now? :jbhmm:
Marvel originated this entire comic cinematic universe thing DCEU is trying to recreate so badly, so yeah more original than this shyt you're currently stanning for. :umad:
 

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This is not a single event/plot point debate. This is the result of the cumulative. I don't think Superman killing Zod would have had nearly as much controversy if he had given even some regard or had some sort of struggle over the crazy destruction and loss of life he was inflicting just by fighting in the movie. It was his total disregard of the loss of human life throughout the film, on top of killing Zod, on top of his passive aggressive (and sneaky) pettiness towards a bullying trucker, on top of his father scolding him for saving a bus full of children, that made people go ask who the fukk is this?
But he was shown all through the film saving people.
Hell, Lois had a wall of newspaper clippings showing all the heroics he had been up to clandestinely in the years between his leaving Smallville and the movie began.

As for his being petty in MoS, I can point to the Donner/Reeves Superman movies for multiple examples of petty Superman.
Like when Supes got his powers back in Superman 2 and decided to go back to that roadside diner to get revenge on the a$$hole who beat him up when he was powerless.

And just the whole giving up his powers stuff in Superman 2 shows a complete disregard for other people. Superman is such a horny selfish b*stard that he will stop being Superman to get in Lois lane's panties. fukk dealing with the 3 evil Kryptonian criminals that are taking over the fukking world while he and Lois bone I guess.

He was a jealous stalker deadbeat dad in Superman Returns who continues to allow a dimwit to take on all the responsibility of raising Superman's b*stard child..

And there are entire websites devoted to how much of a dikk Superman was for decades in the comic books.
 

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But he was shown all through the film saving people.
Hell, Lois had a wall of newspaper clippings showing all the heroics he had been up to clandestinely in the years between his leaving Smallville and the movie began.

As for his being petty in MoS, I can point to the Donner/Reeves Superman movies for multiple examples of petty Superman.
Like when Supes got his powers back in Superman 2 and decided to go back to that roadside diner to get revenge on the a$$hole who beat him up when he was powerless.

And just the whole giving up his powers stuff in Superman 2 shows a complete disregard for other people. Superman is such a horny selfish b*stard that he will stop being Superman to get in Lois lane's panties. fukk dealing with the 3 evil Kryptonian criminals that are taking over the fukking world while he and Lois bone I guess.

He was a jealous stalker deadbeat dad in Superman Returns who continues to allow a dimwit to take on all the responsibility of raising Superman's b*stard child..

And there are entire websites devoted to how much of a dikk Superman was for decades in the comic books.


Or the fact he reversed time purely to save Lois which ignores God knows how many other people. He constantly put one ahead of the many which is a question asked in batman v superman
 

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I do and superman does not enter into that idea for me. But then again Superman is not a realistic character but I thought this thread was about Superman killing?
So you jumped into a descussion without knowing what we were even talking about.

The topic was about the similarities between this realistic portrayal of superman and Dr Manhattan. And that the whole concept of the watchmen was to put these characters in a realistic setting.

Nobody but you are comparing these characters literally.
 

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Thor the Dark World had 77% audience liking and you shyt on that routinely. So will you stop now? :jbhmm:
Marvel originated this entire comic cinematic universe thing DCEU is trying to recreate so badly, so yeah more original than this shyt you're currently stanning for. :umad:
Thanks for proving the exact point I made in the beginning if the thread


MOS is a 4 year old film.


Yet here you are. 4 years later.


And you can't stop talking about a film you claim you don't like. By a director you claim you don't like. About a character you claim you don't like.


You're in this thread obsessively posting about it


What does that say about you? :pachaha:

This film AFFECTED you.

I've never seen you discuss superman returns ever.


But you're still obsessed with this film.:pachaha:


Zach Snyder owns you :pachaha:
 
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