People who don't understand the significance of Superman not killing!

[MartyMcFly]

I was going to post that but I knew someone else would lol.

 

[NobodyReally]

But he was shown all through the film saving people.
Hell, Lois had a wall of newspaper clippings showing all the heroics he had been up to clandestinely in the years between his leaving Smallville and the movie began.

As for his being petty in MoS, I can point to the Donner/Reeves Superman movies for multiple examples of petty Superman.
Like when Supes got his powers back in Superman 2 and decided to go back to that roadside diner to get revenge on the a$$hole who beat him up when he was powerless.

And just the whole giving up his powers stuff in Superman 2 shows a complete disregard for other people. Superman is such a horny selfish b*stard that he will stop being Superman to get in Lois lane's panties. fukk dealing with the 3 evil Kryptonian criminals that are taking over the fukking world while he and Lois bone I guess.

He was a jealous stalker deadbeat dad in Superman Returns who continues to allow a dimwit to take on all the responsibility of raising Superman's b*stard child..

And there are entire websites devoted to how much of a dikk Superman was for decades in the comic books.

You know what, at the end of the day, if you write a compelling story, with compelling characters that make people root for them, you can twist their characterization and canon mythos any way you like it. No one will care. Obviously Goyer and Snyder didn't do enough to convince most people that this Superman was worth rooting for, hence the endless debates and lack of enthusiasm about this film.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Thanks for proving the exact point I made in the beginning if the thread


MOS is a 4 year old film.


Yet here you are. 4 years later.


And you can't stop talking about a film you claim you don't like. By a director you claim you don't like. About a character term you claim you don't like.


You're in this thread obsessively posting about it


What does that say about you?

This film AFFECTED you.

I've never seen you discuss superman returns every.


But you're still obsessed with this film.


Zach Snyder owns you

I said it was middling for the record. The only DCEU film I don't like is BvS.
If you neg someone an hour + after your discussion has ended in a thread does that mean that poster owns you?

 

[Devilinurear]

So you jumped into a descussion without knowing what we were even talking about.

The topic was about the similarities between this realistic portrayal of superman and Dr Manhattan. And that the whole concept of the watchmen was to put these characters in a realistic setting.

Nobody but you are comparing these characters literally.

lol I was joking about not knowing.
I always seen watchmen what if normal people decided to wear spandex and how crazy that would be. The only one with powers is detached but you are using Superman in such a board sense that you are right but the idea of superman is to important and what he is and represents is no where in the watchmen narrative.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

I said it was middling for the record. The only DCEU film I don't like is BvS.
If you neg someone an hour + after your discussion has ended in a thread does that mean that poster owns you?

No it means you're a trash poster.

Which you are.

Your next insightful post will be your first.


I'm the literally the only reason you entered this thread.


You dudes cling to my every word

 

[Devilinurear]

Thanks for proving the exact point I made in the beginning if the thread


MOS is a 4 year old film.


Yet here you are. 4 years later.


And you can't stop talking about a film you claim you don't like. By a director you claim you don't like. About a character you claim you don't like.


You're in this thread obsessively posting about it


What does that say about you?

This film AFFECTED you.

I've never seen you discuss superman returns ever.


But you're still obsessed with this film.


Zach Snyder owns you

Damn good point no one here ever brings up Superman returns. a fate worse then hate.

 

[5n0man]

I'm guessing your comparing superman to captain America.

Captain America can be a boyscout cause he's kinda weak.

Superman at a point had damn near every power, literally unbeatable, and he was the the most perfect, honest to blue boyscout. The shyt was boring and the character lost a huge amount of popularity.

This more realistic approach to superman not being perfect and still trying to figure himself out in a world that hates/fears him is much more realistic than that boyscout garbage.

If captain America was the most powerful being in the marvel universe, he'd be boring as fukk too.

 

[MartyMcFly]

No it means you're a trash poster.

Which you are.

Your next insightful post will be your first.


I'm the literally the only reason you entered this thread.


You dudes cling to my every word

Geez you two been going at it since the sun came up

 

[NobodyReally]

I'm guessing your comparing superman to captain America.

Captain America can be a boyscout cause he's kinda weak.

Superman at a point had damn near every power, literally unbeatable, and he was the the most perfect, honest to blue boyscout. The shyt was boring and the character lost a huge amount of popularity.

This more realistic approach to superman not being perfect and still trying to figure himself out in a world that hates/fears him is much more realistic than that boyscout garbage.

If captain America was the most powerful being in the marvel universe, he'd be boring as fukk too.

No, someone said that boyscout characters were boring. Captain America really could be boring, and he HAS been boring (see First Avenger), but it was the writing in Winter Soldier that made me interesting.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

Geez you two been going at it since the sun came up

Just giving him the attention he desires from me.

He couldn't handle the way I sonned TheGodling and had to throw his cape on

I haven't been productive at work today

 

[5n0man]

lol I was joking about not knowing.
I always seen watchmen what if normal people decided to wear spandex and how crazy that would be. The only one with powers is detached but you are using Superman in such a board sense that you are right but the idea of superman is to important and what he is and represents is no where in the watchmen narrative.

Obviously comic book super man and MoS superman are quite different.

Which is why the Dr Manhattan comparison got bought up.

superman is detached in this movie universe because of his powers. That is a more realistic portrayal than comic book superman. Conceptually similar to Dr Manhattan in watchmen.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

No it means you're a trash poster.

Which you are.

Your next insightful post will be your first.


I'm the literally the only reason you entered this thread.


You dudes cling to my every word

Oh it took you an hour plus to decide I was trash. Glad you finally came to a decision. lol
I thought it was the excellence of MoS. Make up your mind.

 

[MartyMcFly]

The one difference I'll say to that though is superman being an alien so those characters will have a different point of view in 2017. Even though Steve is a Boy Scout and powered up he's still from this planet and still a member of the military and still the "good ole boy" post 9-11, superman on this planet in that context should have a different slant to it just like cap has a different slant. But the difference is how we'd see superman vs how we see cap. Batman's POV from the movie is pretty much how a lot of this country would see him. It's how lex has always seen him. And in a country growing more xenophobic and one that's seen several terrorist attacks by "the other" it makes sense for superman to be looked at side eyed and even have him look at us side eyed. What does truth justice and the American way even mean anymore? Pa Kent didn't instill him with those "all American values" because he lives in a post 9/11 world and he's seen how we react to different and other and things we don't understand. That apple pie world of the 30s and 40s and even the ideals of the 70s are in flux and being questioned.

Superman is supposed to be a reflection of the best of who we are but look at us. It's right for him to legitimately question what his purpose is what his goals are and what he represents. Only after sacrificing himself can he get there but even then those are questions I have as an audience member

 

[5n0man]

No, someone said that boyscout characters were boring. Captain America really could be boring, and he HAS been boring (see First Avenger), but it was the writing in Winter Soldier that made me interesting.

You quoted me and I didn't say boyscout's are boring.

I said boyscout superman is boring and nobody wants to see that.

You can't compare captain America to superman.

 

[Devilinurear]

Obviously comic book super man and MoS superman are quite different.

Which is why the Dr Manhattan comparison got bought up.

superman is detached in this movie universe because of his powers. That is a more realistic portrayal than comic book superman. Conceptually similar to Dr Manhattan in watchmen.

I understand you now.