People who don't understand the significance of Superman not killing!

[Dominic Brehetto]

Oh it took you an hour plus to decide I was trash. Glad you finally came to a decision. lol
I thought it was the excellence of MoS. Make up your mind.

It burns you up inside that people praise MOS.


You fukking weirdo

 

[NobodyReally]

The one difference I'll say to that though is superman being an alien so those characters will have a different point of view in 2017. Even though Steve is a Boy Scout and powered up he's still from this planet and still a member of the military and still the "good ole boy" post 9-11, superman on this planet in that context should have a different slant to it just like cap has a different slant. But the difference is how we'd see superman vs how we see cap. Batman's POV from the movie is pretty much how a lot of this country would see him. It's how lex has always seen him. And in a country growing more xenophobic and one that's seen several terrorist attacks by "the other" it makes sense for superman to be looked at side eyed and even have him look at us side eyed. What does truth justice and the American way even mean anymore? Pa Kent didn't instill him with those "all American values" because he lives in a post 9/11 world and he's seen how we react to different and other and things we don't understand. That apple pie world of the 30s and 40s and even the ideals of the 70s are in flux and being questioned.

Superman is supposed to be a reflection of the best of who we are but look at us. It's right for him to legitimately question what his purpose is what his goals are and what he represents. Only after sacrificing himself can he get there but even then those are questions I have as an audience member

You're reaching hard. And I understand why. The trailers were crafted in way that promised this kind of grappling with the role of Superman in our modern world. This is actually a great meta post about Superman and his characterization in our current political context, and I truly believe this kind of insightful thought provoking take on his story would be amazing to see. But you'll never convince me that this is what Goyer accomplished or even tried to do in MoS. Goyer wishes he had the skill to turn Superman into a social political mirror of humanity. If that's what he was going for, he failed hard.

You quoted me and I didn't say boyscout's are boring.

I said boyscout superman is boring and nobody wants to see that.

You can't compare captain America to superman.

Fine. I'll say this. Superman 1 is still revered and you don't get any more boyscout than that. The only rule he broke was reversing time, and even though it was stupid and corny, people still love that movie and that Superman because he connected with the audience.

 

[MartyMcFly]

You're reaching hard. And I understand why. The trailers were crafted in way that promised this kind of grappling with the role of Superman in our modern world. This is actually a great meta post about Superman and his characterization in our current political context, and I truly believe this kind of insightful thought provoking take on his story would be amazing to see. But you'll never convince me that this is what Goyer accomplished or even trying to do in MoS. Goyer wishes he had the skill to turn Superman into a social political mirror of humanity. If that's what he was going for, he failed hard.



Fine. I'll say this. Superman 1 is still revered and you don't get any more boyscout than that. The only rule he broke was reversing time, and even though it was stupid and corny, people still love that movie and that Superman because he connected with the audience.

I'm not reaching cause I'm not saying that's what the movies are. I'm saying that's what superman should be in 2017 at least in my view

 

[5n0man]

You're reaching hard. And I understand why. The trailers were crafted in way that promised this kind of grappling with the role of Superman in our modern world. This is actually a great meta post about Superman and his characterization in our current political context, and I truly believe this kind of insightful thought provoking take on his story would be amazing to see. But you'll never convince me that this is what Goyer accomplished or even tried to do in MoS. Goyer wishes he had the skill to turn Superman into a social political mirror of humanity. If that's what he was going for, he failed hard.



Fine. I'll say this. Superman 1 is still revered and you don't get any more boyscout than that. The only rule he broke was reversing time, and even though it was stupid and corny, people still love that movie and that Superman because he connected with the audience.

And return's was just like superman 1 and people hated it. That superman is not relevant today


People loved Adam west batman back in the day too

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Fell down the Youtube rabbit hole. Got into a back and forth with a couple of DCMU fan's. The crux of their argument was basically. "Superman should kill. His foes are generally insanely powerful warlords, or very powerful beings who have no issue with doing so" basically WHY Should Superman have to live up to the same standards as his foes.

This is the thing. Superman is basically a GOD. The simplest way I could put this is when Superman decides to kill, whether it be a super powered threat, The head of a major conglomerate trying to take over the world through political and financial clout etc...

HE WOULD BECOME A THREAT IN THE EYES OF HUMANITY!!!

Superman isn't beholden to any laws. any country/government, or any military.

He can do pretty much what the fukk he wants to. WHEN he want's to.

You cannot have superman murdering people. villains or otherwise.

Basically, as soon as you have Superman cross that line all the fears that everyone might have about him become real. Also the reasoning Goyer and Snyder gave for him killing in Man of Steel was fukking stupid. They basically said he needed to kill Zod to learn that killing was wrong.

The only thing I'd add is that Superman has the POWER of a god, but doesn't think or behave like one. That's what makes him unique. In a lot of ways he's like Captain America where he has these amazing abilities but what makes him so special is his upbringing,his innate humility, compassion, and decency. He has the power of a guy and could do whatever he wants but he CHOOSES to do the right thing, he's not motivated by guilt to be a hero, he CHOSE to be a hero because he just wanted to help and inspire people.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

And return's was just like superman 1 and people hated it. That superman is not relevant today


People loved Adam west batman back in the day too

People hated Returns because the movie lacked a soul, had stupid plot elements and made Superman into a creepy ass stalker. The one thing about Superman returns that people liked was when Superman was out saving people and doing it with a smile. Matter of fact the constant brooding was another thing people complained about with Superman returns and they just dialed that shyt up with Man of Steel and Batman V Superman.

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

And return's was just like superman 1 and people hated it. That superman is not relevant today


People loved Adam west batman back in the day too

That is NOT why people hated Superman Returns lol.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

I like the new cinematic Superman
The way I see it, he is still trying to find his way as a super hero whom people see as a god like figure and juggle that with his normal life as Clark Kent.

 

[FLATOP]

How come the Avengers can fight people left and right and no one bats an eye but Superman cant stop an unstoppable alien overlord (and cry about it too) without people freaking out?

 

[hayesc0]

Fell down the Youtube rabbit hole. Got into a back and forth with a couple of DCMU fan's. The crux of their argument was basically. "Superman should kill. His foes are generally insanely powerful warlords, or very powerful beings who have no issue with doing so" basically WHY Should Superman have to live up to the same standards as his foes.

This is the thing. Superman is basically a GOD. The simplest way I could put this is when Superman decides to kill, whether it be a super powered threat, The head of a major conglomerate trying to take over the world through political and financial clout etc...

HE WOULD BECOME A THREAT IN THE EYES OF HUMANITY!!!

Superman isn't beholden to any laws. any country/government, or any military.

He can do pretty much what the fukk he wants to. WHEN he want's to.

You cannot have superman murdering people. villains or otherwise.

Imo batman and superman killing is missing an essential them of the characters not to mention batman using guns.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

All powerful superhero is feared by the public and is yet a bit detached from the public as well. And his very existence plays into world politics.
Both Dr. Manhattan and Superman fit this mythos.
Are you dismissing this as a coincidence?

@IronFist, you're needed fam, you'll know why too. You can do this better than I can at this point in time...

 

[Youngblood Priest]

Batman ain't defeating Superman level threats. I dont care how the comics make him. dude is a man. Superman can wipe out entire population centers. Batman ain't doing that with the bat bomb or whatever shyt they try to make him have.

I always say this. My son and I argue all the time about this. Especially with the BvsS. I'm like if supes wanted to, the bat will be dead. Simple.

 

[Blackout]

that's bs. The Punisher kills. and we can understand why he does it. And nobody ever shyts on the punisher for doing so. In comics where Batman kills people get it as well.

Punisher is antihero

AntiHeroes aren't the same as Heroes

Batman may have exceptions but not killing is his rule.

 

[Wild self]

These are essentially comic books at the end of the day, your gonna have to set realism aside.

Batman is basically the same as dr doom. And dr doom regularly sons super powered hero's using his knowledge, technology, and prep time.

It's funny that people always joke about batman and prep time, but consider Dr doom the best villain in comic books when they are basically have the same character concept.

It's clear bias against DC characters. That's all.

 

[Wild self]

not killing has nothing to do with what you're saying OP....superman is viewed as a threat and not trusted by many now despite not killing (like that) because of how powerful he is, so him killing (like that) wouldnt change that...the only thing it would change is the number of people saying out loud 'see, i told you, we couldnt trust him'...currently, while many think it, only a few say it....

anyway, the reason he doesnt kill (like that) is because that's his character...he stands for truth, justice, believes there is right & wrong (no grey), that no matter what evil people do they can ultimately change and be good, etc., which includes only killing when he deems it the last and only resort....he is the ultimate good guy/hero, what people wish they could be/live up to (i'm not talking about powers either), and the standard all other heroes are measured against....

side note: that also explains why when the shift in society towards more 'edgy' shyt started happening, people started disliking him as a character....and started saying shyt like 'he's not realistic'....

People hate Superman, when they gave in being mediocre level people. When they stopped striving to be better people and stopped aspiring to be more than what society tells them, is when people went at Superman and other DC characters. That "edgy" shyt is why people justify being fukk-ups and have no incentive to end that cycle of dysfunction, because of how it is rewarded.