Oralndo Anderson's Cousin Bragging on Twitter About Killing 2Pac

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Anybody speaking ill of a man 20+ years after his death lets me kno cloth they cut from.

So now anyone who is deceased cannot be spoken of in regards to the actions that they performed while they were living? As if dead people can somehow be offended by their name being mentioned? By that insensant logic, we can no longer speak on the vast majority of people throughout history. This is a hip hop message board, not a counseling center for grieving fans. Get over yourself.

Comparing Chris brown and Soulja boy to Tupac :dead:

Please, enlighten us as to this big, substantial difference between the three and while your at it, be sure to point out how a grown man joining a gang was somehow "smarter" than the other two joining one aswell.
 

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This shyt lame as fukk on both sides now. White posters writing dissertations about poor decisions made by a man who died 20 years ago. And then you got groupie ass nikkas writing theses speaking on why a man they never met did what he did.
 

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documented facts that still doesn't justify claiming and reppin a gang at 25 ... then set -trippin on a nikka who he had no bizzness set -trippin on n got killed for it ... your point was he afflaited himself with mob due to nikkas been on his head ... I get that ... But nikka there is ways ov been loyal to a crew ov nikkas holding you down without actually trying to be down with that gang ... Getting killed for doing so ..... If this was anyone but pac u would be saying the same thing ov how foolish n stupid he was for doing so .... Since its pac he gets a pass I get it ...

All this babble is telling me is that you understand why things happened the way they did but it was a dumb decision

I never denied it might have been dumb or stupid, but that's not the point

ALL I HAVE SAID, is that it was understandable why he did it. That's it. That's where it ends. All of this, "he was stupid talk" is all post game analysis, 20 years after the fact, from a bunch of people who couldn't, in their wildest dreams, conceptualize what it would be like to be in his shoes at the time

You have the luxury of offering a minute by minute analysis of pacs actions leading up to his death 20 years later. This may make you feel good inside, but it doesn't change the fact its a luxury you have as a third party outsider 20 years after the fact.

So youre at least one step ahead of the troll who is offering Dr Phil analysis of a man dead for 20 years, without even having a fukking clue about what was happening in 96
 

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Even worse. That's still old enough to know better than to join a gang. If middle schoolers could acknowledge the stupidity in such an action then how could a grown man not?

You just described Tupac. Blew up, attained money, attempted to enter into a new social scene with real gangstas and heavy hitters to elevate his social status, failed and backfired on him, got locked up for admittedly watching a black woman get raped, ran across the country back to Los Angeles after his prison release, joined the MOB at age 24/25, got MOB tatted on his forearm and got killed not even a full year after joining when he attempted to move like an actual gangbanger and throw hands with reputable killers. He joined the Bloods to "gain points" so that he could be perceived as a feared threat and a member of a powerful ill-boding group .That was a move to augment his social ranking and give him a false sense of power. So that makes two failed attempts to successfully join a group - the latter got him killed. So what in this "differs" from CB or SB? None.

Ah, I see. Talk big and bad towards everyone else, beat on engineers and directors, but the moment that someone who will actually kill you comes after you, you run behind Suge and his affiliates. Perhaps mr. black panther civil activist shouldnt've of ever attempted to even align himself with well-known criminals in the first place? Not to mention that he shifted the blame of his first shooting towards everyone else at Quad but Henchmen and Tut. He placed himself into a conflict with Puffy (and by virtue Puffy's affiliates) by accusing him of doing Henchmen and Tut's dirty work. He incorrectly assumed that Puffy didn't have powerful connects to kill him like Henchmen and that he could spend an entire year picking on Bad Boy label artists (who, once again, didn't shoot him) and looked what happened. Got killed. If you accuse an array of people of trying to kill you but remain quiet as a church mouse about the people who actually shot you (he went after Big and Puffy first but was silent about Henchmen and Tut until months later. Gee wonder why?) then your common sense should tell you that something bad will surface from that. Every situation he got in, he knowingly put himself in. He wasn't forced to gangbang, he chose to, and it came back on him within months.

But he was hanging around the Mob to make himself look threatening and daunting as if he actually had power. You act as if this is somehow different than him walking into a club rolling 50 deep with a set of bloods to look authoritative. Same exact thing.

This is just a sad attempt to justify a man who was steadily approaching thirty's decision to join a gang. It's entirely irrelevant what he defined gangs to be because we all know logically know exactly what gangs are and what they do - and it's not something positive or good. He joined the bloods because he was scared, in need of acceptance, and realized that he had made the mistake of running his mouth towards people who weren't encapsulated by his stardom and were willing and able to send people after him.

So his response to his shooters was to join a gang at 25? His response to his shooters was to attack the people who didn't shoot him or even have a gun in their hand? His response to the shooting was to direct his temper-tantrum towards artists who barely had money and had no pull in the industry? His response was to attack Bad Boy and not Henchmen and Tut? He didn't call out anyone to the face. He went on senseless rants on wax but ducked and dodged behind Bloods when it was time to approach the heavy-hitters. Went to NYC, messed with the wrong ones, knew that he himself just messed up and dashed across the country back to LA to run away and find protection. You're trying to make this into some sort of heroic thug fairytale and it isn't working. He ran his mouth and continuously and made bad, juvenille decisions until it sent him to the morgue.

:pachaha: mans writing essays about day by day decisions made by a man much greater than you, in shoes you could never walk, with the luxury of 20 years of hindsight

shyt is pathetic

How does one even respond to this dr phil analysis of the mans psychological and mental state? Half of which is filled with lies?

social ranking? sense of power? what the fukk kinda peanut butter and jelly shyt is this? You write your college dissertation on this subject?

Pac ducked and dodged behind bloods?
Pac was scared to call out the ones who shot him?
Pac joined the bloods to "gain points"?
Pac was 25 but hes "approaching" 30?
Pac was scared of Henchmen, hence hes a p*ssy :troll:
But Pac was also simulataneously juvenile for standing up to Henchmen by affiliating with the Mob :troll:

If Pac took the "discipline" in 94 and kept his mouth shut, you would still be here 20 years later, calling him a p*ssy

:heh:

your agenda is clear
 
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If SSCC had a bounty out on Pac's head, would that not justify Pac running up on Orlando Anderson?

Might not have been the wisest decision, but I can see how that could cause a nicca to launch off.


That situation was the perfect storm.The way it was interconnected and woven in with the Quad situation.


So perfect, it was in Pac's destiny to go out like that IMO.....and that's tragic
Pac never knew about the bounty tho .... Do your research if we going off what Greg says .... Only puffy , zip and keffe dee knew before the pac shooting ...
 

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All this babble is telling me is that you understand why things happened the way they did but it was a dumb decision

I never denied it might have been dumb or stupid, but that's not the point

ALL I HAVE SAID, is that it was understandable why he did it. That's it. That's where it ends. All of this, "he was stupid talk" is all post game analysis, 20 years after the fact, from a bunch of people who couldn't, in their wildest dreams, conceptualize what it would be like to be in his shoes at the time

You have the luxury of offering a minute by minute analysis of pacs actions leading up to his death 20 years later. This may make you feel good inside, but it doesn't change the fact its a luxury you have as a third party outsider 20 years after the fact.

So youre at least one step ahead of the troll who is offering Dr Phil analysis of a man dead for 20 years, without even having a fukking clue about what was happening in 96
No I don't know how it feels to be In pacs shoes the biggest rapper/actor at the time who again did not need to be getting involved in crip/piru hood politics tupac been around suge was the worse duo in hiphop they both loved drama n none ov them pulled eachother aside to check 1 another it's the worse thing for someone with a personality like pac ... Again I respect pac had heart n 1 ov the goats I listen to him a lot ... But off wax he wasn't anytype ov leader or any ov the bullshyt some claim him to be .. He was a follower around other followers hence why no one checked him on his self -destructive behaviour towards the end ov his life ... Which is a shame cause the nikka had hella potential to be something .....bigger
 

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:pachaha: mans writing essays about day by day decisions made by a man much greater than you, in shoes you could never walk, with the luxury of 20 years of hindsight

"Wrote a college dissertation" - in other words, because it wasn't a two sentence response, your short attention span could no longer keep up and you got lost in my words. Your problem, not mine.


Pac ducked and dodged behind bloods?
Pac was scared to call out the ones who shot him?
Pac joined the bloods to "gain points"?
Pac was 25 but hes "approaching" 30?

.....Did he not?
Pac was scared of Henchmen, hence hes a p*ssy :troll:
But Pac was also simulataneously juvenile for standing up to Henchmen by affiliating with the Mob :troll:

Being scared can lead to juvenile decisions, so I'm not sure what kind of connection you were trying to make there but my point still stands. He joined a gang at 25 which in and of itself is pathetic. There are children who are forced to start gangbanging and wish to break out of it and yet here we have a grown man who knowingly and purposely started banging and you're telling me that there's some sort of brilliancy in him doing so. What's even worse is, as evident by some of these responses, people find it somehow excusable for adults to join gangs. And yet when it comes to CB and SB this rule magically no longer applies.


If Pac took the "discipline" in 94 and kept his mouth shut, you would still be here 20 years later, calling him a p*ssy

:heh:

your agenda is clear

No, I would properly label him a moron for meddling with heavy hitters and OGs and expecting for there to be some sort of kinsmanship. If you're famous, acquiring wealth, in your early twenties and getting music/acting opportunities, what would possess you to hang around criminals in the first place? He shouldn't of ever started hanging with them and he shouldnt've ran his mouth towards them knowing what the repercussions are. He got himself in a bind trying to be a "thug" and ran scared for protection when it was time to fight. He didn't find it clever to attack Henchmen and Tut face to face but he did find it clever to throw hands with a gangbanger in a casino. I wonder how that brilliant decision worked out?
 

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"Wrote a college dissertation" - in other words, because it wasn't a two sentence response, your short attention span could no longer keep up and you got lost in my words. Your problem, not mine.




.....Did he not?


Being scared can lead to juvenile decisions, so I'm not sure what kind of connection you were trying to make there but my point still stands. He joined a gang at 25 which in and of itself is pathetic. There are children who are forced to start gangbanging and wish to break out of it and yet here we have a grown man who knowingly and purposely started banging and you're telling me that there's some sort of brilliancy in him doing so. What's even worse is, as evident by some of these responses, people find it somehow excusable for adults to join gangs. And yet when it comes to CB and SB this rule magically no longer applies.




No, I would properly label him a moron for meddling with heavy hitters and OGs and expecting for there to be some sort of kinsmanship. If you're famous, acquiring wealth, in your early twenties and getting music/acting opportunities, what would possess you to hang around criminals in the first place? He shouldn't of ever started hanging with them and he shouldnt've ran his mouth towards them knowing what the repercussions are. He got himself in a bind trying to be a "thug" and ran scared for protection when it was time to fight. He didn't find it clever to attack Henchmen and Tut face to face but he did find it clever to throw hands with a gangbanger in a casino. I wonder how that brilliant decision worked out?
That's the thing nikkas call it hate wen u call out pac for all the stupid shyt he did n give him a pass yet Chris. Brown , soulja or any other ov these present day rap nikkas do the same n everyone calls them out .. Makes no sense ...like I said I respect some of the shyt pac did but half the nikkas defending him would be the same nikkas calling him out had he lived post-2000s :gucci:
 

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No I don't know how it feels to be In pacs shoes the biggest rapper/actor at the time who again did not need to be getting involved in crip/piru hood politics tupac been around suge was the worse duo in hiphop they both loved drama n none ov them pulled eachother aside to check 1 another it's the worse thing for someone with a personality like pac ... Again I respect pac had heart n 1 ov the goats I listen to him a lot ... But off wax he wasn't anytype ov leader or any ov the bullshyt some claim him to be .. He was a follower around other followers hence why no one checked him on his self -destructive behaviour towards the end ov his life ... Which is a shame cause the nikka had hella potential to be something .....bigger

I don't disagree with anything you said

Im 33 years old, its very easy for me to look at Pacs action and say the guy acted stupid

But its one thing to comment on that, and discuss that in a rational sense, and its another to go into EVERY Pac thread, whether music based or not, and attack the man for the decisions he made and have that define him totally, when said poster has no fukking clue what it was like to live through that

that's that cowardly shyt that Im speaking on

I don't think any Pac fan, or a reasonable one, would ever dispute that he didn't make the best decisions. But at least we understand why those decisions were made, and that understanding involves recognizing his frailties and weakness which we all have
 

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That's the thing nikkas call it hate wen u call out pac for all the stupid shyt he did n give him a pass yet Chris. Brown , soulja or any other ov these present day rap nikkas do the same n everyone calls them out .. Makes no sense ...like I said I respect some of the shyt pac did but half the nikkas defending him would be the same nikkas calling him out had he lived post-2000s :gucci:

Exactly. People are trying to use Pac purposely involving himself with Henchmen and Tut as some sort of genius reasoning to join a gang and start banging, but when it comes to CB and SB doing the exact same thing "they weren't panthers" "they didn't have p diddy trying to kill them" It's just absolutely ridiculous. His gangbanging is no different or better than CB and SB. If he didn't run his big mouth so much then he wouldnt've had issues with so many people and wouldnt've need the "protection".
 

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I don't disagree with anything you said

Im 33 years old, its very easy for me to look at Pacs action and say the guy acted stupid

But its one thing to comment on that, and discuss that in a rational sense, and its another to go into EVERY Pac thread, whether music based or not, and attack the man for the decisions he made and have that define him totally, when said poster has no fukking clue what it was like to live through that

that's that cowardly shyt that Im speaking on

I don't think any Pac fan, or a reasonable one, would ever dispute that he didn't make the best decisions. But at least we understand why those decisions were made, and that understanding involves recognizing his frailties and weakness which we all have
I totally get that ... But u as a grown man like me ... In your early 20s know who to be around n not to be around ... Hence why I said pac brought a lot of the shyt he got into on himself .... He choose to be around real thugs n then turned on him .... He got fukked over on both coasts wen you look at it in retrospect ...
 

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"Wrote a college dissertation" - in other words, because it wasn't a two sentence response, your short attention span could no longer keep up and you got lost in my words. Your problem, not mine.

.....Did he not?

Being scared can lead to juvenile decisions, so I'm not sure what kind of connection you were trying to make there but my point still stands. He joined a gang at 25 which in and of itself is pathetic. There are children who are forced to start gangbanging and wish to break out of it and yet here we have a grown man who knowingly and purposely started banging and you're telling me that there's some sort of brilliancy in him doing so. What's even worse is, as evident by some of these responses, people find it somehow excusable for adults to join gangs. And yet when it comes to CB and SB this rule magically no longer applies.

No, I would properly label him a moron for meddling with heavy hitters and OGs and expecting for there to be some sort of kinsmanship. If you're famous, acquiring wealth, in your early twenties and getting music/acting opportunities, what would possess you to hang around criminals in the first place? He shouldn't of ever started hanging with them and he shouldnt've ran his mouth towards them knowing what the repercussions are. He got himself in a bind trying to be a "thug" and ran scared for protection when it was time to fight. He didn't find it clever to attack Henchmen and Tut face to face but he did find it clever to throw hands with a gangbanger in a casino. I wonder how that brilliant decision worked out?

Even assuming, all that you have said is correct, lets assume that

The fact that you (who we can safely assume are not anywhere close to being in the position that Pac was, had his upbringing, had his demons, had his issues and weaknesses, had his pressure etc), 20 YEARS LATER, insist on entering EVERY Pac thread, to simply attack his day to day decisions, 20 YEARS AGO...and to dismiss him entirely...on account of those decisions, not understanding what drove him to those decisions, for better or worse? that's some pathetic ass shyt

Theres plenty of criticism to send his way, and theres a time and place for that, but this one man crusade youre on, on a message board is wack as fukk

aint no other way for me to see it

:camby:
 

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I totally get that ... But u as a grown man like me ... In your early 20s know who to be around n not to be around ... Hence why I said pac brought a lot of the shyt he got into on himself .... He choose to be around real thugs n then turned on him .... He got fukked over on both coasts wen you look at it in retrospect ...

don't deny that whatsoever, I say that, as someone who was 12-13 when he died, was my favourite rapper...I still haven't gotten over that...so on a personal level, theres no question he got fukked, and there was a serious loss for the music genre and culture

but to have an agenda 20 years later of attacking the man exclusively for that shyt, is shyt I don't respect
 

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Exactly. People are trying to use Pac purposely involving himself with Henchmen and Tut as some sort of genius reasoning to join a gang and start banging, but when it comes to CB and SB doing the exact same thing "they weren't panthers" "they didn't have p diddy trying to kill them" It's just absolutely ridiculous. His gangbanging is no different or better than CB and SB. If he didn't run his big mouth so much then he wouldnt've had issues with so many people and wouldnt've need the "protection".

if you cant see the CLEAR DISTINCTION between two rappers who ONLY assoiated themselves with gang members to gain cool points and be seen as "real nikkaz" and/or be able to move around LA without being extorted and Pacs situation I don't know what to tell u

Pac didn't need the Mob to protect himself in LA, he was associated with gang bangers for years prior to that, he was good in LA, if he was eager to be seen as a gangster he would've got put on 40 crip or IVC 2-3 years before
 
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