One Year Later, Here's What San Jose Looks Like After Raising the Minimum Wage

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Time for some critical reading. I just told you that the hospitals in Canada are private non profit corporations. That means they are a private enterprise. They receive their money from the government but that doesn't make them a public entity. They are about as public as Lockheed or Boeing who receive almost all their money from the government.

thats not private in any sense of the word as it relates to the United States.

The minimum wage was never intended to provide a living wage but the constitution was never intended to give blacks rights so that's a fallacious argument. It doesn't matter if it's double, that in and of itself doesn't make it bad. Something doesn't become bad somehow if you just double it (except posts).

I didn't assume that at all, I'm going to ask you to read what I said again.

I currently don't see minimum wage work being worth $15 per hour.

Cause most people don't even live on minimum wage.

 

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thats not private in any sense of the word as it relates to the United States.


I currently don't see minimum wage work being worth $15 per hour.

Cause most people don't even live on minimum wage.

wtf? How the fukk is it not private? They are corporations with exec's that get paid high salaries and are unaccountable to the public. They receive public and private money. Can you please illustrate to me the difference between them and Lockheed Martin? If anything, Lockheed is more public than a Canadian hospital because it is literally a public company with shareholders.

What you're missing here is that if a person is paid really low wages, there is a wage gap that is being made up by the government.

If a person makes 7.25 an hour, he or she will need food stamps, housing assistance, WICK, etc etc etc. The corporations are using the safety net to pay low wages and the government is picking up the bill of maintaining the condition of these workers. Someone making 7.25 an hour needs X amount of money an hour before he or she is no longer being paid by all of us. This is the most basic and sound argument of the living wage. What's the point of even letting these corporations operate if they aren't contributing to the community at all? They are being subsidized. The true cost of labour is not 7.25.

 

[DEAD7]

The purchasing power of the Canadian min wage is under $8/hr... why are they brought up so much? Australia's is under $10/hr.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

wtf? How the fukk is it not private? They are corporations with exec's that get paid high salaries and are unaccountable to the public. They receive public and private money. Can you please illustrate to me the difference between them and Lockheed Martin? If anything, Lockheed is more public than a Canadian hospital because it is literally a public company with shareholders.

You're using a different country that has socialized healthcare to make an argument that doesn't weigh up here.

That psyche is not what we're dealing with.

What you're missing here is that if a person is paid really low wages, there is a wage gap that is being made up by the government.

Clearly. Word to walmart...

...but why $15 per hour?

At SOME point, we must recognize the autonomy of the individual to provide for themselves. Forcing companies to pay more to workers doesn't help anyone in the long run besides kick the deflation can down the road.

WHY aren't you posing more rules ON BUSINESSES on how to pay their people internally?

If a person makes 7.25 an hour, he or she will need food stamps, housing assistance, WICK, etc etc etc. The corporations are using the safety net to pay low wages and the government is picking up the bill of maintaining the condition of these workers. Someone making 7.25 an hour needs X amount of money an hour before he or she is no longer being paid by all of us. This is the most basic and sound argument of the living wage. What's the point of even letting these corporations operate if they aren't contributing to the community at all? They are being subsidized. The true cost of labour is not 7.25.

1. that cost of labor doesn't really mean anything...its market derived, but since prices are what they are, then we have to increase it...but $15 is too high.

2. You seem to have a fundamentally different view of minimum wage than I do. I DO NOT see it as a living wage.

 

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You're using a different country that has socialized healthcare to make an argument that doesn't weigh up here.

That psyche is not what we're dealing with.


Clearly. Word to walmart...

...but why $15 per hour?

At SOME point, we must recognize the autonomy of the individual to provide for themselves. Forcing companies to pay more to workers doesn't help anyone in the long run besides kick the deflation can down the road.

WHY aren't you posing more rules ON BUSINESSES on how to pay their people internally?



1. that cost of labor doesn't really mean anything...its market derived, but since prices are what they are, then we have to increase it...but $15 is too high.

2. You seem to have a fundamentally different view of minimum wage than I do. I DO NOT see it as a living wage.

You totally dodged my point about non profits. Psyche's have nothing to do with economics. America has a socialized arms industry just like Canada's healthcare where private corporations get government money. You need to concede here and stop deflecting.

For the bolded, I don't mean to be offensive but I don't care about your opinion. I don't even expect you to care about mine. I care about public policy that is based in reality and not in faith. 15 an hour is the number formulated by economists to be a base living wage floor; a number that they have determined puts the least strain on city and state resources.

The cost of labour means plenty because we're trying to create a society where working gives results to the worker. We don't want to live in a society where a worker works and still starves. My fundamental view on minimum wage is that if the government is enforcing a minimum wage, it should be one that reduces the corporate reliance on its resources. The lower the wage paid, the more the worker is going to be using up our fragile resources and the more that amounts to a transfer of funds from the tax payer to the employer. You apparently view the minimum wage as a social engineering tool to make people "tougher" and "motivated".

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You totally dodged my point about non profits.

cause NON PROFITS ain't worth much in the grand scale of things. There aren't even that many of them and most of them rely on............PROFIT SEEKING PEOPLE to support them in the long run! They dont just create money out of no where.

Profit seeking encourages innovation, drives demand, and creates expansion. Don't ignore that.

Psyche's have nothing to do with economics. America has a socialized arms industry just like Canada's healthcare where private corporations get government money. You need to concede here and stop deflecting.

ehhhhhhhh not entirely.

Theres still competition, word to Space X.

For the bolded, I don't mean to be offensive but I don't care about your opinion. I don't even expect you to care about mine. I care about public policy that is based in reality and not in faith. 15 an hour is the number formulated by economists to be a base living wage floor; a number that they have determined puts the least strain on city and state resources.

1. Economists aren't scientists
2. Economists all have an agenda
3. I see no reason why minimum wage workers in 2014 are worth $15 per hour.
4. Who said I don't care about public policy?
5. And a living wage IS not and SHOULD NOT be confused with a minimum wage.

The cost of labour means plenty because we're trying to create a society where working gives results to the worker.

Sure. Most of whom aren't on minimum wage.

We don't want to live in a society where a worker works and still starves.

Don't work for minimum wage then. Thats the point. You're not understanding what MINIMUM WAGE is for. Its not supposed to make it possible for you to just live with no worries.

My fundamental view on minimum wage is that if the government is enforcing a minimum wage, it should be one that reduces the corporate reliance on its resources.

You can REDUCE it, but you can never truly remove it.

The lower the wage paid, the more the worker is going to be using up our fragile resources and the more that amounts to a transfer of funds from the tax payer to the employer.

I already said I support an increase...but not $15.

You apparently view the minimum wage as a social engineering tool to make people "tougher" and "motivated".

Yes, to some degree...but also there is an inherent value in the bare minimum of work that must be discussed.

You seem unwilling to tell some people that their work just is not worth that much in the grand scale of things.

 

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But San Jose isn't like the rest of the country. They are comparing apples to oranges.
It didn't affect any white collar jobs, which is what most of these tech-based IT jobs are, white collar jobs. They are salaried and aren't paid minimum wage.

 

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To prevent ULTIMATE exploitation.

If you're not able to have a decent living while working then it's not worth working. Ultimate exploitation? Oh you mean when people are working 2-3 jobs just to be able to function? Like ~7% of the workforce today are doing?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

If you're not able to have a decent living while working then it's not worth working. Ultimate exploitation? Oh you mean when people are working 2-3 jobs just to be able to function? Like ~7% of the workforce today are doing?

So stop working multiple MINIMUM wage jobs

You're not really getting it.

Theres a reason there are low wage jobs.

 

[DEAD7]

California Lawmaker Wants A $26 Minimum Wage In Her State | The Daily Caller

California Democratic congresswoman Barbara Lee expressed support for a $26 minimum wage in her state — a move Republican congressman Andy Harris encouraged, assuming jobs would rapidly flee California to his state of Maryland.

Lee and Harris appeared Friday on CNN’s “Crossfire,” hosted by former Obama advisor Van Jones and former Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. The panel discussed the proposed increase in the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 per hour.

“Let me ask you this question, you’re a good advocate for this,” Gingrich asked Lee. “The mayor of Seattle is proposing that the minimum wage ought to go up to $15 an hour.”

“Good for him,” Lee responded. “In California — more than likely, from what I remembered — a living wage where people could live and take care of their families and move toward achieving the American dream was about $25, $26 an hour.”

“So would you support that as a minimum wage for California?” Gingrich asked.

“Absolutely I would support it for California. I think the regional factors –”

“And you don’t think that’d have an effect on unemployment?” Gingrich interrupted.

“No, Newt, trust me, believe you me,” Lee replied, “you’d have a more productive workforce, you’d have people who could afford to live in areas now where they cannot afford to live. You would increase diversity in certain communities where you don’t have diversity anymore. You would have economic parity and the income gap would begin to close.”

Gingrich pointed out that many countries in Europe — including economic powerhouse Germany — has no minimum wage, yet has tremendously-high economic productivity and relatively low unemployment. He pointed out the average European country with minimum wage laws had 13.8 percent unemployment. No wage law? Just 6.3 percent.

Lee tried to dismiss the comparison, claiming Europe “has a safety net” that America doesn’t possess. But Van Jones quickly moved to change the subject.

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Gingrich pointed out that many countries in Europe — including economic powerhouse Germany — has no minimum wage, yet has tremendously-high economic productivity and relatively low unemployment. He pointed out the average European country with minimum wage laws had 13.8 percent unemployment. No wage law? Just 6.3 percent.

Lee tried to dismiss the comparison, claiming Europe “has a safety net” that America doesn’t possess.

Do these people not understand this? Do they not know what kind of laws these countries have on the books that are extremely pro-labor, pro-union and pro-collective bargaining?


I support a $25 minimum wage in California

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Do these people not understand this? Do they not know what kind of laws these countries have on the books that are extremely pro-labor, pro-union and pro-collective bargaining?


I support a $25 minimum wage in California

scoop ice cream for $200 a day, brehs

 

[tmonster]

scoop ice cream for $200 a day, brehs

Stockholm syndrome masochistic brehs :yasure:

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Stockholm syndrome masochistic brehs :yasure:

Whats funny is that you wanna come in here on some "money doesn't count" steez but want to squeeze out as much as you can for low-level employees in jobs that aren't worthy of much more.

 

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scoop ice cream for $200 a day, brehs

Support paying people 6 to 8 figures for speculating on the theoretical value of things that don't exist in the physical world brehs