One Year Later, Here's What San Jose Looks Like After Raising the Minimum Wage

[Poppa_Dock]

OR you're just unrealistic as fukk.

Minimum wage does NOT need to be 15 fukking dollars.

10? Definitely.

FIFTEEN?

Minimum wage IS NOT supposed to support your fukking family.

its a MINIMUM WAGE.

I get tired of repeating this shyt.

You have a COMPLETELY flawed idea of how this is supposed to work.

AND MOST COMPANIES DO NOT PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES THIS AMOUNT...so if you're making minimum wage you are CLEARLY doing the bare minimum.

why doesn't it need to be more than 10? Just because it's labelled minimum wage?
You're argument is basically it can't be 15 dollars an hour because it's called minimum wage

At some point minimum wage in the richest countries in the world should be a decent amount don't you agree?

You dudes keep using this "but i feel this employee is worthless and deserves 10 dollars an hour argument".

Just because you need your floors swept, or in general just need a helper, that doesn't really entitle you to be on the look out for a useless slave you can pay pennies, and then justify it later because you are like "well he just sweeps my floors". If you own a small printing shop hypothetically, or a pizza shop or something, just because you only need a kid to quickly deliver pizzas, or run off prints off usb sticks, that doesn't entitle you to underpay somebody. If you don't want to have to pay your help a decent wage, then deliver your own pizzas? Run off our own prints? Restructure what you are doing so it makes sense to your pockets, but you aren't entitled to have a servant and pay them pennies because you just need a bit of extra help.

Lots of guys act like "i would have to fire my staff if the minimum was bigger " no you wouldn't
You wouldn't, becuase if they were really that useless as you claim and not deserving of the money, you would have already been doing the job yourself to save your greedy ass more money. The reality is they are absolutely useful but you just don't want to shell out the ducets.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

why doesn't it need to be more than 10? Just because it's labelled minimum wage?

because businesses have to derive value of their employees. Most people don't make minimum wage.

You're argument is basically it can't be 15 dollars an hour because it's called minimum wage

No. Its that minimum wage is a floor, not a standard of wellbeing.

At some point minimum wage in the richest countries in the world should be a decent amount don't you agree?

I DO NOT.

Its a FLOOR.

don't get shyt fukked up out here.

Thats like saying welfare should give out more money.

its a FLOOR.

its basic.

its the bare minimum.

its the absolute least.

Its the amount in which YOU CAN NOT BE PAID LESS THAN.

If you want more than that, you gotta work your way up, improve your value in the working market place, etc.

But stop trying to PERVERT a minimum to accomodate your lifestyle.

Otherwise, TAKE IT UP WITH COMPANIES WHO DECIDE HOW TO BREAKDOWN THEIR PAYMENT STRUCTURE.

Thats not a government issue.

You dudes keep using this "but i feel this employee is worthless and deserves 10 dollars an hour argument".

i didn't use the word "worthless"

I'm saying that some jobs ain't worth commanding these higher salaries.

Just because you need your floors swept, or in general just need a helper, that doesn't really entitle you to be on the look out for a useless slave you can pay pennies, and then justify it later because you are like "well he just sweeps my floors". If you own a small printing shop hypothetically, or a pizza shop or something, just because you only need a kid to quickly deliver pizzas, or run off prints off usb sticks, that doesn't entitle you to underpay somebody. If you don't want to have to pay your help a decent wage, then deliver your own pizzas? Run off our own prints? Restructure what you are doing so it makes sense to your pockets, but you aren't entitled to have a servant and pay them pennies because you just need a bit of extra help.

dude, people pay decent wages WELL ABOVE minimum wage all the fukking time! Thats the point!

if people want to pay you minimum wage, you can accept it OR NOT...but thats not the governments fukking fault!

You don't even know what "decent is" when it comes to this low skilled shyt cause you just want to feel more dignified for doing WHAT WE ALL KNOW IS UNSKILLED/LOW EDUCATION/ENTRY LEVEL WORK!!!

No one is saying to pay people pennies...but there MUST be a floor set and setting that floor to TWICE its current level is just absurd!

Lots of guys act like "i would have to fire my staff if the minimum was bigger " no you wouldn't

Well, a lot of people would.

But this just gets into you telling people how to spend their own money

You wouldn't, becuase if they were really that useless as you claim and not deserving of the money, you would have already been doing the job yourself to save your greedy ass more money. The reality is they are absolutely useful but you just don't want to shell out the ducets.

So take that up with the morality of your employer, not the US Government.

cause otherwise, you're gonna end up getting outpriced anyways when prices of goods and services go up.

THATS WHY shyt like universal income OR earned income tax credits...OR industry/age specific wage floors are so important...but for you all, its just easy to say "increase wages" without a lack of understanding how this helps people who are only qualified to make that much money.

 

[Broke Wave]

If you're thinking in absolutes, then you lose.

You can't ENTIRELY move everyone off government benefits without just stopping the entire thing itself.

Plus, all the stuff I listed was PRETTY reasonable AND it does more than kick the can down the road.

You can't just top off people's pockets without addressing the fact that people on the bottom WILL CONTINUE TO BE ON THE BOTTOM.

i've NEVER said I opposed increases...only that $15 was excessive.




And here we go again...you're trying to corrupt the idea behind a minimum wage and equate it to something it wasn't intended for.


1. its Bangladesh

2. it DOES encourage growth. if wages are too high for entry level jobs, people aren't motivated to pursue education, entrepreneurship, or indepedence.





Well stop coming in here with these hard luck tales of single mothers who live in LA/NYC who can't afford "pampers and similac" and expect minimum wage to save ALL of them.

Ya'll stay talking about corporate jobs, but MOST of these corporate jobs sans retail or service industries DONT PAY MINIMUM WAGE

Lol once again I didn't speak in absolutes. I said reduce not eliminate. We're subsidizing low wages and you don't want to talk about that for whatever reason. You keep wanted to talk about your opinion about people being motivated but you haven't shown any evidence to support the idea that low wages spur entrepreneurship and innovation.

That "intend for" argument is fallacious. Once again, the constitution was not intended to give Blacks rights, but it does.

More anecdotes about single moms or whatever. I don't use anecdotes because they cheapen the discussion. And when we mean corporate jobs we mean corporations like McDonald's, how could you not see that?

Universal income EITC all that stuff does is subsidize the cheap labour. The fiscal picture is ugly and we need to reduce the reliance of corporations on the government; corporate profits are at record highs and it's because they're getting tax money which can be better appropriated.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Lol once again I didn't speak in absolutes. I said reduce not eliminate. We're subsidizing low wages and you don't want to talk about that for whatever reason. You keep wanted to talk about your opinion about people being motivated but you haven't shown any evidence to support the idea that low wages spur entrepreneurship and innovation.

That "intend for" argument is fallacious. Once again, the constitution was not intended to give Blacks rights, but it does.

More anecdotes about single moms or whatever. I don't use anecdotes because they cheapen the discussion. And when we mean corporate jobs we mean corporations like McDonald's, how could you not see that?

dawg, we've ALWAYS SUBSIDIZED LOW WAGES. We can aim to reduce it, but raising wages WILL NOT CUT IT...cause those people who always made less money...WILL ALWAYS MAKE LESS MONEY!

Changing the amount of money in one's pocket doesn't change where tehy all are in society...if they make more!!!

We're talkign about the VALUE of one's work!

But you gotta stop trying to equate LOW WAGES with being a standard of how to live your life!

Low wage jobs SHOULD be available. It provides opportunity for work that no one wants to do, but don't expect to get your downtown condo because of it

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Broke Wave]

dawg, we've ALWAYS SUBSIDIZED LOW WAGES.

But you gotta stop trying to equate LOW WAGES with being a standard of how to live your life!

Low wage jobs SHOULD be available. It provides opportunity for work that no one wants to do, but don't expect to get your downtown condo because of it

You can't have it both ways.

As a guy who hates logical fallacies, why do you insist on using them in your arguments? Just because we've always done something doesn't make it correct. Yes we've always subsidized low wages, we've also always gone to aggressive wars and killed innocent people. I'm not equating anything with anything, I'm trying to create a competitive marketplace where the major corporations are not subsidized by the government therefore they cannot expand in places that would otherwise be unprofitable. Look at Walmart. Because of their extremely low wages, they expand in places that would be otherwise unprofitable to operate and crowd out local businesses.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

As a guy who hates logical fallacies, why do you insist on using them in your arguments? Just because we've always done something doesn't make it correct. Yes we've always subsidized low wages, we've also always gone to aggressive wars and killed innocent people. I'm not equating anything with anything, I'm trying to create a competitive marketplace where the major corporations are not subsidized by the government therefore they cannot expand in places that would otherwise be unprofitable. Look at Walmart. Because of their extremely low wages, they expand in places that would be otherwise unprofitable to operate and crowd out local businesses.

seems like you gave on pursuing THIS goal in favor of raising wages to exorbitant levels.

But lets keep focusing on walmart and mcdonalds...seems to be the only F500 company you all know

 

[Broke Wave]

seems like you gave on pursuing THIS goal in favor of raising wages to exorbitant levels.

But lets keep focusing on walmart and mcdonalds...seems to be the only F500 company you all know

But what are these wages exorbitant compared to? What scale are you using? According to productivity? According to cost of living? According to whether companies can afford it (corp profits)? According to Inflation? What are you comparing these wages to?

 

[Poppa_Dock]

I DO NOT.

Its a FLOOR.

Im not denying it's a floor, and it should be higher than 10 dollars an hour, our floor should be high.

No one is saying to pay people pennies...but there MUST be a floor set and setting that floor to TWICE its current level is just absurd!

it should already be that level and possibly higher. This isn't radical.

but for you all, its just easy to say "increase wages" without a lack of understanding how this helps people who are only qualified to make that much money.

If we were basing if off who is qualified to make such and such money, lots of the average normal people who run companies like walmart etc. would be making minimum wage. most of the people who run these companies are just normal guys who had the opportunity to get educated and linked with good people, sometimes because of who their family knew etc. So they would all be fukked if it was really about who is geniunly qualified to make big money. Also what about people who are genuinely mentally disabled and slow? Are they scorned to a life of poverty and ruthless treatment because they will never be qualified for such and such job? Don't you want to see a world where a forest gump type dude could work, make a decent wage, be proud of himself and maybe even afford to have children and have them educated? What about somebody who is blind or deaf and wants to work, or is handicapped and wants to work, who will never obviously be able to compete fairly with somebody else, they should just live in poverty?

Minimum wage effects more than just pot smoking highschool kids wasting money on skinny jeans.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Im not denying it's a floor, and it should be higher than 10 dollars an hour, our floor should be high.

it should already be that level and possibly higher. This isn't radical.

If we were basing if off who is qualified to make such and such money, lots of the average normal people who run companies like walmart etc. would be making minimum wage. most of the people who run these companies are just normal guys who had the opportunity to get educated and linked with good people, sometimes because of who their family knew etc. So they would all be fukked if it was really about who is geniunly qualified to make big money. Also what about people who are genuinely mentally disabled and slow? Are they scorned to a life of poverty and ruthless treatment because they will never be qualified for such and such job? Don't you want to see a world where a forest gump type dude could work, make a decent wage, be proud of himself and maybe even afford to have children and have them educated? What about somebody who is blind or deaf and wants to work, or is handicapped and wants to work, who will never obviously be able to compete fairly with somebody else, they should just live in poverty?

Minimum wage effects more than just pot smoking highschool kids wasting money on skinny jeans.

Minimum wage affects WWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more people than fukking corporations dude.'

Thats why I don't even entertain this shyt with all these "what abouts"

We know people are affected who run the gamut...

ITS A FLOOR for a fukking reason.

Thats everything from a corner bodega or mini mart to a goddamn junior banking analyst.

You need to take this notion of morality up with the companies THEMSELVES...not the government.

 

[Poppa_Dock]

Minimum wage affects WWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more people than fukking corporations dude.'

Thats why I don't even entertain this shyt with all these "what abouts"

We know people are affected who run the gamut...

ITS A FLOOR for a fukking reason.

Thats everything from a corner bodega or mini mart to a goddamn junior banking analyst.

You need to take this notion of morality up with the companies THEMSELVES...not the government.

You need the government usually to force the behavior though. How are you going to force such and such to do such and such if there is no reason for them to do it? You need a law stating you must a minium of XX in order for somebody to be able to make an argument about why they need to be paid X. We know it's a floor, and it should be higher than 10 dollars lol. If the corner bodega guy can't afford to pay the person he wants to sweep his 10 foot by 10 foot shack store then he will have to do it his self. If a dude who owns a small business wants to sit on his ass in the office or yack on the phone all day or go drive around window shopping, or on the computer window shopping, or just in general, like a lot do, sit around and do nothing while other minimum wage workers run every single aspect of the business, then he going to have to pay a decent wage. Otherwise do everything yourself and stfu.

 

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[Jhoon]

if the minimum wage is that high, all other wages will have to rise too. What the job creators will say is that it will cause inflation and price increases. The federal government has tools for inflation, and there are price increases that naturally happen anyway. The goal is to take the money out of the corporation and return it back to the people who work for it. Theres nothing more depressing than the folks who work at whole foods not being able to purchase the items in whole foods.

 

[DEAD7]

if the minimum wage is that high, all other wages will have to rise too. What the job creators will say is that it will cause inflation and price increases. The federal government has tools for inflation, and there are price increases that naturally happen anyway. The goal is to take the money out of the corporation and return it back to the people who work for it. Theres nothing more depressing than the folks who work at whole foods not being able to purchase the items in whole foods.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

This thread is jokes, because posters who fancy themselves as quantitatively focused business and economic scholars have reacted to hard data that confronts their beliefs with emotional strawmans like: "Well why not just raise the minimum wage to 1 million dollars an hour while you're at it!", and qualitative mumbo jumbo about worker motivation or whatever. Now you're all about dem externalities huh? Who dat dere????

 

[OneManGang]

This thread is jokes, because posters who fancy themselves as quantitatively focused business and economic scholars have reacted to hard data that confronts their beliefs with emotional strawmans like: "Well why not just raise the minimum wage to 1 million dollars an hour while you're at it!", and qualitative mumbo jumbo about worker motivation or whatever. Now you're all about dem externalities huh? Who dat dere????

What it comes down to in my opinion is people who are playing the game, and seem to be winning...or BELIEVE themselves to be in a winning position (no hate to ANYBODY in here doing well, many of you know i'm in professional school at a pretty good university for a healthcare field myself), don't want the rules of the game to be changed to give those that are at the bottom a lifeline. You can't rig the game (we can sit here for days and talk about how the vast majority of minorities, and poor from all backgrounds have absolute long shots to recover form the situation they are born into) and then not want a fairer system to be put into place.