One Year Later, Here's What San Jose Looks Like After Raising the Minimum Wage

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

That's all they do man. Been like that for 100+ years during the modern day labor movements. Same shyt over and over.

You can go back in time and pull out the same arguments you're hearing hear today. All you have to do is replace the labor issues at hand.

This is why I'm on that Extreme far left tip now. You have to go very far left to get a true compromise in the middle from these people. You can't start at the compromise because all they'll do is make a new middle ground.

Minimum wage is at $7-something = Get rid of min. wage!
Move min. wage to $10.10 = Keep at 7!
Min. age at $15 = It should be $10!
Give us total Democratic Socialism and we'll get rid of minimum wage = "Hmmm...let me think about it"

This is why the US even got these very progressive policies passed under FDR. After the depression hit, the people at the top were dead scared of a full-blown communist uprising by the people and labor force. They already had to stomp it out in the 1910s and early 20s so they knew the possibility during the depression was very real.

As much as I expect shyt like that from Anarchos like Dead7, what really surprises me are these so-called liberals and progressives. Once Obama and the Dems mouthed the words "10.10" they somehow formulated in their little brain that it was a fair wage limit. Huffington Post is full of people like this. These people make me sick. The backlash from the left about this Seattle wage increasing is demoralizing. It becomes very clear why we get Clinton and Obama types in the White House pushing their Reagonomics-lite.

OR you're just unrealistic as fukk.

Minimum wage does NOT need to be 15 fukking dollars.

10? Definitely.

FIFTEEN?

Minimum wage IS NOT supposed to support your fukking family.

its a MINIMUM WAGE.

I get tired of repeating this shyt.

You have a COMPLETELY flawed idea of how this is supposed to work.

AND MOST COMPANIES DO NOT PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES THIS AMOUNT...so if you're making minimum wage you are CLEARLY doing the bare minimum.

 

[tmonster]

I get tired of repeating this shyt.

 

[Broke Wave]

I have.

I've listed tons of alternatives, but the only one you're stuck on is raising the minimum wage to focus on a concept in which its not supposed to do.

Ok so lets be clear

If the desired effect is getting working people off government assistance as much as possible so that we all save money, my solution and the soloution proposed by others here is raising the minimum wage to reflect the cost of living and not archaic numbers that mean nothing.

To reach this desired effect, what alternative soloutions do you have? Remember, we want to stop subsidizing corporations so give me some ideas and keep it specific.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

That $15 is LOW.

I've already shown you the statistics about wages being adjusted for inflation. You already know the cost of living has increased and wages have no kept up.

Stop being naive.

Its NOT fukking low. Its high as fukk cause you're probably talking about a fukking 20-22 dollar entry level wage cause most people DO NOT MAKE MINIMUM WAGE.

Your statistics are based on the (in my eyes inherently) flawed assertion that what you use to peg future inflation should always be that percentage or tracked to that same value at a later date.

Thats like saying "well inflation should be XYZ number because it was this way in 1910"...:stoptislime:

Thats why i don't take these HuffPo articles fukking seriously.

its sheer number magic if you can't see through this.

Yes. Cost of living has gone up...as will wage floors...but NOT beyond a certain level.

$15 is excessive and downright ridiculous.

the nature of the economy has changed and wage floors should reflect that.

 

[tmonster]

Living Wage Calculator-Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator

wait for it

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Ok so lets be clear

If the desired effect is getting working people off government assistance as much as possible so that we all save money, my solution and the soloution proposed by others here is raising the minimum wage to reflect the cost of living and not archaic numbers that mean nothing.

To reach this desired effect, what alternative soloutions do you have? Remember, we want to stop subsidizing corporations so give me some ideas and keep it specific.

- SMALLER minimum wage increases
- Universal income
- industry specific min wage
- age specific min wage
- earned income tax credit reform
- link "executive" pay to the lowest level employee on a scale-able basis. (basically the most socialist shyt ever)

...or you can ask the government to tell companies how much they can can pay people at all levels.

Lets be really real.

This is like the 80s when minimum wage had to get bumped up to like 4.25 ONLY BECAUSE a lot of older people entered the job market where they couldn't compete. They could only get lower wages but had more responsibilities.

If it wasn't for the influx of older people stuck on minimum wage, ya'll probably wouldn't be caping so hard for these exorbitant absurd increases.

OH and lets not forget... low wages DO motivate and spur innovation within the society.

There IS a social development aspect to this. Cry foul ALL you want.

I know people who fukking worked at McDonalds inbetween their year of starting things like med and law school.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Living Wage Calculator-Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator

wait for it

Proves my point exactly

You know individual states have their own policies, right?

And you know people MAKE MORE in places like LA/NY/Chicago/DC/Philly/ etc...right?


Who the fukk told you to raise your family on MINIMUM wage?

 

[tmonster]

Proves my point exactly

of course it does:zfg:

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

of course it does:zfg:

Why should the FEDERAL minimum wage account for a single parent with three kids in one of the most expensive cities on the planet?

 

[tmonster]

Why should the FEDERAL minimum wage account for a single parent with three kids in one of the most expensive cities on the planet?

well there's no way to figure out a solution to that, I'm stomped:yasure:

 

[Type Username Here]

of course it does:zfg:

#inherently

 

[tmonster]

#inherently

I forgot to mention that my response was inherently, shyt!:zfg:

 

[Broke Wave]

@Napoleon

- SMALLER minimum wage increases
- Universal income
- industry specific min wage
- age specific min wage
- earned income tax credit reform
- link "executive" pay to the lowest level employee on a scale-able basis. (basically the most socialist shyt ever)

This shyt is what I would like to call doing WAY too much. First of all universal income is not going to get to the stated goal I just said we wanted to reach which is reduce the subsidy. Secondly you just proposed a minimum wage after arguing against minimum wages What if the age specific minimum wage is 15 dollars an hour? Maybe you're just arguing for the status quo. EITC is more government subsidy and what private corporations pay their executives is their own business provided they don't do anything illegal. This is way more oppressive than what we're saying.

Lets be really real.

This is like the 80s when minimum wage had to get bumped up to like 4.25 ONLY BECAUSE a lot of older people entered the job market where they couldn't compete. They could only get lower wages but had more responsibilities.

If it wasn't for the influx of older people stuck on minimum wage, ya'll probably wouldn't be caping so hard for these exorbitant absurd increases.

This is nothing like the 80's, and everyone knows the cost of living from the 80's to now is totally different. 4.25 then is not 4.25 now even though that still was too low. Also your analysis is wrong, there were less older people back then.

OH and lets not forget... low wages DO motivate and spur innovation within the society.

Evidence? If this was even remotely true, why isn't Bangladesh leading the world in innovation?

There IS a social development aspect to this. Cry foul ALL you want.

I know people who fukking worked at McDonalds inbetween their year of starting things like med and law school.

Anecdotes mean nothing to me. I know a guy who held another mans daughter off the roof of a building because he owed him money. What does that have to do with anything? Nothing. Anecdotes are not evidence.

 

[tmonster]

@Napoleon

This shyt is what I would like to call doing WAY too much. First of all universal income is not going to get to the stated goal I just said we wanted to reach which is reduce the subsidy. Secondly you just proposed a minimum wage after arguing against minimum wages What if the age specific minimum wage is 15 dollars an hour? Maybe you're just arguing for the status quo. EITC is more government subsidy and what private corporations pay their executives is their own business provided they don't do anything illegal. This is way more oppressive than what we're saying.


This is nothing like the 80's, and everyone knows the cost of living from the 80's to now is totally different. 4.25 then is not 4.25 now even though that still was too low. Also your analysis is wrong, there were less older people back then.


Evidence? If this was even remotely true, why isn't Bangladesh leading the world in innovation?

Anecdotes mean nothing to me. I know a guy who held another mans daughter off the roof of a building because he owed him money. What does that have to do with anything? Nothing. Anecdotes are not evidence.

hmmm you making a lot of sense...you bout to get that work:zfg:

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@Napoleon

This shyt is what I would like to call doing WAY too much. First of all universal income is not going to get to the stated goal I just said we wanted to reach which is reduce the subsidy.

If you're thinking in absolutes, then you lose.

You can't ENTIRELY move everyone off government benefits without just stopping the entire thing itself.

Plus, all the stuff I listed was PRETTY reasonable AND it does more than kick the can down the road.

You can't just top off people's pockets without addressing the fact that people on the bottom WILL CONTINUE TO BE ON THE BOTTOM.

Secondly you just proposed a minimum wage after arguing against minimum wages

i've NEVER said I opposed increases...only that $15 was excessive.

This is nothing like the 80's, and everyone knows the cost of living from the 80's to now is totally different. 4.25 then is not 4.25 now even though that still was too low. Also your analysis is wrong, there were less older people back then.

And here we go again...you're trying to corrupt the idea behind a minimum wage and equate it to something it wasn't intended for.

Evidence? If this was even remotely true, why isn't Bangladesh leading the world in innovation?

1. its Bangladesh

2. it DOES encourage growth. if wages are too high for entry level jobs, people aren't motivated to pursue education, entrepreneurship, or indepedence.

Anecdotes mean nothing to me. I know a guy who held another mans daughter off the roof of a building because he owed him money. What does that have to do with anything? Nothing. Anecdotes are not evidence.

Well stop coming in here with these hard luck tales of single mothers who live in LA/NYC who can't afford "pampers and similac" and expect minimum wage to save ALL of them.

Ya'll stay talking about corporate jobs, but MOST of these corporate jobs sans retail or service industries DONT PAY MINIMUM WAGE