On Some Str8 Spittin: '90s Rappers vs. '00s Rappers

[Wacky D]

Maybe old azz analyist and joirnalist who didnt live it might consider Kobe and Iverson 2000's,but we lived this shyt....which is why I know your reaching for straws with that argument

Iverson crossed Jordan over and a whole generation of 80's babies instantly gravitated to him....you remember the Questions on nikkas feet like crazy,you remember nikkas working non stop on they crossover.....we remember young Kobe without the fro in the dunk contest,then evolving to Kobe with the fro,remember it like it was yesterday

A little thing called memories and nostalgia makes me remember these nikkas was around in the 90's,no matter how much you try to claim them as 2000's rappers....I cant blame nikkas who was kids,who wasnt paying attention in the 90's for seeing them as 2000's rappers....but the audacity to downplay our memories like we wasnt there and actually remember these nikkas in the 90's?outrageous

Dont let these 90's babies gas you up into thinking you can pull this off,they just dont know no better

By your desperate definition you could reach and say Jayz is a 2000's rapper.

@ the bolded. nostalgia is indeed the key word for you breh. youre a bit blinded by it.

well I guess you've never watched "open court", because its the exact opposite of a show for analysts & journalists. its a PLAYERS SHOW. everybody that appears on that roundtable sans ernie Johnson, is an nba legend. so youre telling me that the players who were actually on the court in the '90s, weren't there but you were?

Iverson was HUGE before the Jordan crossover.
kobe Bryant winning a forgotten dunk contest with a dunk that was better-perfected by someone else just a couple years prior, is kobe's greatest moment to you? they even got rid of the dunk contest and didn't even have one the following year.

I think youre still missing the point. maybe you didn't read the posts where we broke it down more clearly before you typed this. nobody is erasing what they did in the '90s. but their main legacy is in the 2000s. I mean, if we're talking about great NCAA guards of the '90s, then of course Iverson is gonna come up. but if we're talking nba, these guys are considered 2000s stars. THEY ONLY PLAYED 2 1/2 SEASONS OF 1990S NBA BASKETBALL!!!!!! Iverson didn't reach the playoffs until 2000. kobe wasn't even a starter until when? '99 at the earliest? and that was the strike season.

the same could be said for the lox & cam. and I'm gonna tag @Atsym Sknyfs and @spliz for this too:
college years = underground warlox & c.o.c. tapes
'97-98 rookie/soph campaigns = the lox on bad boy & Camron making that harlem world-lite album
'99 nba strike year/shortened season = Camron album pushed back & the FREE THE LOX campaign

and how would jay be a 2000s rapper when his biggest run that also made him a household star was in '98-99? if youre basing it off of his celebrity status, then chit, hes bigger now in the 2010s than he ever was.

 

[ISO]

Naw nikka. They debuted in the 90s including cam so theiy are 90s rappers. Michael jackson peaked in the 80s with thriller and bad. Does that make him a 80s artist? lox, cam, fab came out of the 90s and peaked in 00s that's it. Some of the best rappers debuted in 90s

Y'all nikkas really reaching with that Fabolous shyt

The man dropped his debut on '01 advertised as a 19 year old his 90's appearances were on East Coast mixtapes and freestyles c'mon son and they were at the very tale end of the 90's.

@Wacky D and @ISO yall perception is flawed as fukk. Period. No way to get around it. U can't erase history for the fukk of it. I don't care when u felt nikkas was at their best. If these nikkas debuted in an era. They are from that era. U would literally have to play mental gymnastics to look at it any other way. U don't make the rules. And this is what yall don't seem to understand.

Y'all are the one that are playing mental gymnastics. History isn't being erased how many times does this need to be said. Just about every rapper from the 2000's can be argued as a 90's rapper with y'all logic. You know exactly what we mean stop.

 

[Wacky D]

breh @ISO use the word impact
not quality / not quantity / he used impact

is just no way in the world anybody can argue that their biggest impact on hip hop or music in general in the late 90s with bad boy

and you don't even have to take it from me you can take it from the horses mouth just go back and listen to Nore drink champs podcasts with styles P

i'll listen to it if you give me some time-stamps. I'm not sitting thru the whole interview. and it doesn't help that hes doing business & making money with puff again now.

the impact players from late '90s bad boy were puff, mase & biggie. and that's not even counting their r&b division. the lox were basically the up-n-comers playing the back. sure they were on some big records, but they were really just expendable add-ons to those records. if puff blackballed them into oblivion in '99, they wouldn't be held in anywhere near the same regard that theyre held in. their main legacy, impact & influence on the rap world is with ruff ryders & dblock.

 

[Wacky D]

Naw nikka. They debuted in the 90s including cam so theiy are 90s rappers. Michael jackson peaked in the 80s with thriller and bad. Does that make him a 80s artist? lox, cam, fab came out of the 90s and peaked in 00s that's it. Some of the best rappers debuted in 90s

Michael Jackson has been a household name since the '60s. theres really no comparison. also, his peak depends on perspective. he made most of his money in the '80s but most of his o.g.fanbase wasn't big on albums like thriller & Bad.

and lets keep it there. people like jadakiss & Camron are kinda like household names in urban environments. for people that's in the know on these things, be honest, when did the types of older people that don't really follow rap, become familiar with names like jadakiss or dipset?

 

[Wacky D]

@Wacky D and @ISO yall perception is flawed as fukk. Period. No way to get around it. U can't erase history for the fukk of it. I don't care when u felt nikkas was at their best. If these nikkas debuted in an era. They are from that era. U would literally have to play mental gymnastics to look at it any other way. U don't make the rules. And this is what yall don't seem to understand.

@ISO I see what youre saying about the mental gymnastics.

a couple of these guys are STILL claiming that we are trying to erase history, even after we made it clear as day that we weren't doing that.

these dudes know what theyre doing man.

 

[Wacky D]

chitin on the Bad Boy years doesn't mean they not 90s artists.. just means they didn't like the situation they was in.. if you get married and then get divorced.. you can claim those years where the worst of your life but it doesn't negate the marriage..

Prince writing slave on his face doesn't take away from his good music during that era

now back to the topic... the thread is 90s rappers vs 00s rappers .. not impact .. that's why we're having a disconnect on definitions..

the lox had that '00 spit and they basically fathered & grandfathered the majority of the most popular '00s lyrical styles

and most of that impact came off the back of what they were doing in RR.

 

[kingofnyc]

when it comes to battle rappers I agree

2000 battle rappers>>>> 90s battle rappers

These kids today be sayin some mind blowing stuff.

But song structure from rappers?

90s rap songs >>>>> 2000 rap songs.

thats a flawed assessment
by da mid 2000's battle rap became the norm in hip hop base off the changing of the industry - so the best lyricist at that time who couldnt get into the industry thru a major or an indi
took their talents to the streets/club to battle one another, with addition of the DVD era & internet blowing up... one could make decent money in this lane


that just wasn't the scenario in da 90's
and its common knowledge the 90's created the greatest MC's of all time
so what makes u think they wouldn't destroy the best/top battle rappers in 2000s

 

[Wacky D]

the score is 56-11

are the lox, Camron & fabulous really that dam vital to the '90s getting these votes?

their legacies are clearly defined by the 2000s. CLEARLY.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

I don't have much of an opinion on this topic but the logic that folks are using about a lot of 2000s artists being raised on/starting out in the 90s can also be said about a lot of 90s artists that actually got their start in the 80's. It's a slippery slope argument that goes both ways.

 

[Wacky D]

and its common knewledge the 90's created the greatest MC's of all time

this is what I'm talembout yall.

that '90s nostalgia is out of control.

thats a flawed assessment
by da mid 2000's battle rap became the norm in hip hop base off the changing of the industry - so the best lyricist at that time who couldnt get into the industry thru a major or an indi
took their talents to the streets/club to battle one another, with addition of the DVD era & internet blowing up... one could make decent money in this lane


that just wasn't the scenario in da 90's
and its common knowledge the 90's created the greatest MC's of all time
so what makes u think they wouldn't destroy the best/top battle rappers in 2000s

battle rap was always the norm. there were always some of the best lyricists out there without deals, that would destroy some of the top TV emcees in the ''90s in a battle. so why wouldn't the '00s guys do the same? especially the guys that had deals in the '00s and had some of your favorite '90s spitters tucking their tales and running for cover?

 

[kingofnyc]

i'll listen to it if you give me some time-stamps. I'm not sitting thru the whole interview. and it doesn't help that hes doing business & making money with puff again now.

the impact players from late '90s bad boy were puff, mase & biggie. and that's not even counting their r&b division. the lox were basically the up-n-comers playing the back. sure they were on some big records, but they were really just expendable add-ons to those records. if puff blackballed them into oblivion in '99, they wouldn't be held in anywhere near the same regard that theyre held in. their main legacy, impact & influence on the rap world is with ruff ryders & dblock.

stlyes & sheek basically said

ruff ryders = family
bad boy = fun
ruff ryders = fab 5 with da blacks socks
bad boy = the jordan BULLS ​

i dont know what else to tell u

unless u gonna somehow... someway... spin
fab5 having more impact in sports history over da 72wins bulls

time stamp 35:00 - 51:00 they go in & out of there bad boy era

 

[kingofnyc]

I don't have much of an opinion on this topic but the logic that folks are using about a lot of 2000s artists being raised on/starting out in the 90s can also be said about a lot of 90s artists that actually got their start in the 80's. It's a slippery slope argument that goes both ways.

its only a handful top tier artist that fall into that 80s-90s lane
the top 3 are

1. cube
2. scarface
3. LL

kris, ra, kane & chuck had sucess in da 90's but no one will say there're 90's artists

 

[ManBearPig]

90's most definitely

Lupe was the only one who thrived in the 2000's that made me go

I guess u can through Eminem in there but still he was spitting fire in the 90's as well

 

[spliz]

the score is 56-11

are the lox, Camron & fabulous really that dam vital to the '90s getting these votes?

their legacies are clearly defined by the 2000s. CLEARLY.

This is the score because anyone with common sense knows the argument is flawed. It don't matter when u think they were vital. It matters when they camw up and debuted. Which is the fukkin 90s man. There's no other way to spin it. It's simple as fukk. I actually reached out to people in real life about this subject and the shyt was unanimous. U could ask any major DJ such as Flex. Clue. Kay Slay. Etc. And they more than likely would say the same thing. Ask the artists who were talking about. And they will tell u the same shyt. If The Lox came out. Dropped they first album. Had all the features and hits and went platinum the same way. And all of a sudden died in the year 2000. They would be considered 90s rappers. This shyt is simple as fukk and yall making it difficult for NO REASON. Yall arguing with nikkas that's 40 something years old. There's a reason barely NOONE on here agrees with u. And none of the OGs on the site agree with u. It's cause yall nikkas in wrong on this one. Lol

 

[Wacky D]

stlyes & sheek basically said

ruff ryders = family
bad boy = fun
ruff ryders = fab 5 with da blacks socks
bad boy = the jordan BULLS ​

i dont know what else to tell u

unless u gonna somehow... someway... spin
fab5 having more impact in sports history over da 72wins bulls

time stamp 35:00 - 51:00 they go in & out of there bad boy era

props on the time-stamps and quotes

but that has nothing to do with this.

you can compare bad boy to the bulls, but how much did the lox have to do with that? they could've been replaced with a lesser-yet still serviceable group and bad boy would've still had their run.

the lox weren't the Jordan/pippen/rodman to bad boy.
they were more like harper/kerr/kukoc. and I'm being generous with that. cuz I'm leaving out all the r&b acts over there that were bigger than the lox.