On Some Str8 Spittin: '90s Rappers vs. '00s Rappers

[Wacky D]

can u PLEASEEEEEEEE explian to me how the Lox had their biggest impact after the 2000's


before u reply - lemme drop a few notes

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  • track on biggie LAD (10milly)
  • couple on puff NWO (8milly)
  • single on mase HW (4milly)
  • couple on DMX IDAHAH (5milly)
  • track on jay vol2 (5milly)
  • solo album MPAR (1mill)
  • world tour at bad boy's height

im dying to hear this.....

All them features on hit singles wit Mariah Carey n classic tracks like Banned From TV etc all happened in the 90s. Like I said before. The Lox had their impact in the 90s. D Block was the 00s.

listen to what yall are saying!!!

"they appeared on this album"
"they were featured on that single"
"they were add-ons for puffy tour"

the question is, when did they start their OWN empire? it kicked off with the "we are the streets" album. then came the solos & the mixtapes & the DBlock stuff. them being actual draws on the ruff ryder/cash money tour is a bigger feat than coming out to do a random verse or two on puffy tours.

if the LOX being background dancers for puff & mase is what you consider to be their biggest impact, then I don't know what to tell yall.

and even if you want to separate the lox from dblock @spliz, the fact remains:
we are the streets >>>>>> money, power, respect in every single aspect except retail soundscan. but yet, more people were playing WATS so that's a wash.

:dahell?Marbury and Iverson were apart of the greatest draft class in history,the 96 draft....iversons most famous moment is crossing jordan which clearly happened in the 90's?who wouldnt attach these nikkas to the 90's

Gotta admire the dedication,most nikkas would go ghost after being proven oh so wrong,but not Wacky

The fact you gotta do all this reaching in order to turn 90's rappers into 2000's rappers should be proof 2000's wasnt shyt on some "straight spittin" shyt....and since you obviously dont just mean lyricist if you bringing up the lox and 50 cent,the 80's was better than the 2000's too nikka....and 90's just wins in what you would call a landslide

I got a feeling you will be going ghost soon,just need the thread to reach that 10 page quota mark right?dont know if the rope a dope gon work in this thread breh,it aint lookin pretty

Iverson winning mvp & proceeding to lead an offensively challenged team to the nba finals with 40 barz playing in the background >>>>>crossing somebody over.

the '84 draft is the best class in history. but '96 is up there. the thing is, nobody in the '96 class cemented their legacies in the '90s. they all did it in the 2000s. the '90s were darn near over when they came into the league.

also, '80s hip-hop is arguably better than '90s hip-hop.

I'm noticing that the underlying theme in all of this is '90s love. youre throwing the '80s under the bus just as much as the '00s. not just with rap, but with basketball as well.

I got a feeling you will be going ghost soon,just need the thread to reach that 10 page quota mark right?dont know if the rope a dope gon work in this thread breh

Breh

It goes all the way back, I only spoke on those two decades because that's the subject of this thread
90's artists were only able to be as nice as they were because of the foundation that the 80's artists laid down
80's artists were only able to create the first sounds of Hip Hop thanks to Kraftwerk, funk, disco, and the early NYC park jam DJ's/Emcees
Emcees wouldn't have had the DNA to put rhymes together like they did without The Last Poets, Gil Scott Heron, etc.
Early DJ's wouldn't have known to put their sets together in the manner that they did without the sound systems from Jamaica
Life, art, all this shyt is a constant progression
Adding on to what came previously
Today could not exist, in the manner that it does, without the work of yesterday
So comparing one era to another is asinine if there is an interconnectedness
The only time I feel dissection is called for culturally, is when there is a distinct split in the current manifestation of a culture
from all of it's previous incarnations
Such as the case with today's version of Hip Hop culture versus all forms of the culture that came before it

this rant is pointless. youre not telling me anything I don't already know.

bottom line, if you supposedly don't want to be divisive, then why did you come in here voting for the '90s instead of just saying "there is no winner"?

and why would your main argument be that the '00s was built off of the '90s? as if the '90s built their chit from scratch.

 

[ISO]

Kanye got 'em

 

[Wacky D]

Just off the strength of this argument 90's rappers were better than 2000's rappers as pure spittas. Most of those guys who 'peaked' in the early 2000's were castoffs from the 90's (either just a little too young or couldn't buzz) just because the amount of skilled rappers was just too crowded.

if youre too young or too new, then its just not your era or decade.

I put it like this. if you didn't make a dent before the 16-bit systems got pushed to the side, then youre not a '90s star.

people like the lox and Camron are PS1 '90s guys. they started making noise after playstation started poppin.

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

if youre too young or too new, then its just not your era or decade.

I put it like this. if you didn't make a dent before the 16-bit systems got pushed to the side, then youre not a '90s star.

people like the lox and Camron are PS1 '90s guys. they started making noise after playstation started poppin.

but thats the thing with hiphop pre computers and internet... Mostly everybody was popping before they started popping.. look at native tongues/hit squad/ epmd/wu/etc there was a process and a model to follow before you got on... 16 yr old nas was in the studio studying g rap and rakim.. busta was on tour with PE .. these artists are a product of the era that proceeded them and they ALL acknowledge it...
jb then de la then tribe then leaders then black sheep
empd then k-solo then redman then das
wu-tang then solos

it not like now where everybody in your click can drop a cd at the same time .. you had to stay in line..

I dont even think my debate is with you.. its really @ISO for his definition of how/why he classed them the way he did... like the LOX are 00s rappers. how is that so when they themselves say they're 90s rappers.. how you redefining how somebody sees themselves....

Now if he said 00s rhymes where better than 90s rhymes thats one thing.. then artists like the lox can be in both with their rhyming abilities improving or regressing for example, but to take them out of an entire era is where myself and others have a problem with his logic

 

[Wacky D]

Now if he said 00s rhymes where better than 90s rhymes thats one thing.. then artists like the lox can be in both with their rhyming abilities improving or regressing for example, but to take them out of an entire era is where myself and others have a problem with his logic

that's basically what this is all about homie.

nobody is trying to erase what the lox did in the '90s. but theyre clearly more synonymous with the 2000s in terms of their overall legacy.

its like with sports. when you watch something like say "open court" on NBA-TV, and they do their all-decade teams. Iverson & kobe were the guards that made most of the '00s lists. sure, they were both drafted in '96, but nobody mentioned them for the all-90s teams. theyre 2000s guys.

same with the NFL Network when they have shows like NFL Top 10. say they do an episode on the best '90s quarterbacks. theyre not even gonna entertain the thought of including peyton manning & Donovan mcnabb, even tho they got drafted in the '90s. but both of them will be locks when they do an episode on '00s QBs.

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

that's basically what this is all about homie.

nobody is trying to erase what the lox did in the '90s. but theyre clearly more synonymous with the 2000s in terms of their overall legacy.

its like with sports. when you watch something like say "open court" on NBA-TV, and they do their all-decade teams. Iverson & kobe were the guards that made most of the '00s lists. sure, they were both drafted in '96, but nobody mentioned them for the all-90s teams. theyre 2000s guys.

same with the NFL Network when they have shows like NFL Top 10. say they do an episode on the best '90s quarterbacks. theyre not even gonna entertain the thought of including peyton manning & Donovan mcnabb, even tho they got drafted in the '90s. but both of them will be locks when they do an episode on '00s QBs.

the wording used by @ISO suggested that... he said he didnt care if they dropped 97 their impact was 00 so they are 00 rappers and when asked about their debut he brushed it under the rug as being insignificant.. but the biggest argument is if they themselves consider themselves to be 90s rappers why are you changing their opinion of themselves.

 

[Wacky D]

the wording used by @ISO suggested that... he said he didnt care if they dropped 97 their impact was 00 so they are 00 rappers and when asked about their debut he brushed it under the rug as being insignificant.. but the biggest argument is if they themselves consider themselves to be 90s rappers why are you changing their opinion of themselves.

well theres more glory that comes with being associated with the '90s. and they were around thru basically half the '90s and that's when they grinded.

but what was the exact question that was asked when they said this? what was the wording? did they ask them when their prime was? or when they enjoyed their most success? because they were chittin on their bad boy days for YEARS and did their best to distance themselves from it.

 

[ISO]

the wording used by @ISO suggested that... he said he didnt care if they dropped 97 their impact was 00 so they are 00 rappers and when asked about their debut he brushed it under the rug as being insignificant.. but the biggest argument is if they themselves consider themselves to be 90s rappers why are you changing their opinion of themselves.

How did I do that? I'm with Wacky D on this one. His example on Kobe and Iverson making All-Decade teams in the 2000's was on point.

My thing is sure the L.O.X. rapped in the 90's, they put an album out, they were on the hits with Bad Boy. But that empire was built in the '00's. The solos, beefs, mixtapes, D-Block came in the 00's. That's when they were most popular and culturally relevant and impactful. Jada rocking the paper towel headband, doing the Reebok commercials with A.I., Jadakiss hopping on tracks with everyone from Mya, to J-Lo, and Usher, the We Gonna Make It's, Why's, and Feel Me's, the Good Times and I'm Black's, Locked Up's those dropped in the 2000's.

If we use y'all logic a bunch of 2000's acts would belong in the 90's roster. By y'all logic Kanye is a 90's producer. From '96-'00 he produced for several local acts as well as albums from Beanie Sigel, D-Dot, Foxy Brown, Harlem World, Goodie Mob, Jermaine Dupri and was a ghost producer, he ran with No I.D. and Hit Men and dropped a group album in the 90's with the Go Getters.

Cam'ron and The L.O.X. came out in the 90's (so technically they're 90's rappers) but they are synonymous with the 00's and made their greatest impact in that decade which is why I put them in the 00's roster. It really ain't that hard. Y'all derailing a good thread with semantics.

 

[Still Benefited]

listen to what yall are saying!!!

"they appeared on this album"
"they were featured on that single"
"they were add-ons for puffy tour"

the question is, when did they start their OWN empire? it kicked off with the "we are the streets" album. then came the solos & the mixtapes & the DBlock stuff. them being actual draws on the ruff ryder/cash money tour is a bigger feat than coming out to do a random verse or two on puffy tours.

if the LOX being background dancers for puff & mase is what you consider to be their biggest impact, then I don't know what to tell yall.

and even if you want to separate the lox from dblock @spliz, the fact remains:
we are the streets >>>>>> money, power, respect in every single aspect except retail soundscan. but yet, more people were playing WATS so that's a wash.





Iverson winning mvp & proceeding to lead an offensively challenged team to the nba finals with 40 barz playing in the background >>>>>crossing somebody over.

the '84 draft is the best class in history. but '96 is up there. the thing is, nobody in the '96 class cemented their legacies in the '90s. they all did it in the 2000s. the '90s were darn near over when they came into the league.

also, '80s hip-hop is arguably better than '90s hip-hop.

I'm noticing that the underlying theme in all of this is '90s love. youre throwing the '80s under the bus just as much as the '00s. not just with rap, but with basketball as well.











this rant is pointless. youre not telling me anything I don't already know.

bottom line, if you supposedly don't want to be divisive, then why did you come in here voting for the '90s instead of just saying "there is no winner"?

and why would your main argument be that the '00s was built off of the '90s? as if the '90s built their chit from scratch.

Maybe old azz analyist and joirnalist who didnt live it might consider Kobe and Iverson 2000's,but we lived this shyt....which is why I know your reaching for straws with that argument

Iverson crossed Jordan over and a whole generation of 80's babies instantly gravitated to him....you remember the Questions on nikkas feet like crazy,you remember nikkas working non stop on they crossover.....we remember young Kobe without the fro in the dunk contest,then evolving to Kobe with the fro,remember it like it was yesterday

A little thing called memories and nostalgia makes me remember these nikkas was around in the 90's,no matter how much you try to claim them as 2000's rappers....I cant blame nikkas who was kids,who wasnt paying attention in the 90's for seeing them as 2000's rappers....but the audacity to downplay our memories like we wasnt there and actually remember these nikkas in the 90's?outrageous

Dont let these 90's babies gas you up into thinking you can pull this off,they just dont know no better

By your desperate definition you could reach and say Jayz is a 2000's rapper.

 

[Flav]

when it comes to battle rappers I agree

2000 battle rappers>>>> 90s battle rappers

These kids today be sayin some mind blowing stuff.

But song structure from rappers?

90s rap songs >>>>> 2000 rap songs.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

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[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Dp

 

[spliz]

@Wacky D and @ISO yall perception is flawed as fukk. Period. No way to get around it. U can't erase history for the fukk of it. I don't care when u felt nikkas was at their best. If these nikkas debuted in an era. They are from that era. U would literally have to play mental gymnastics to look at it any other way. U don't make the rules. And this is what yall don't seem to understand.

 

[kingofnyc]

listen to what yall are saying!!!

"they appeared on this album"
"they were featured on that single"
"they were add-ons for puffy tour"

the question is, when did they start their OWN empire? it kicked off with the "we are the streets" album. then came the solos & the mixtapes & the DBlock stuff. them being actual draws on the ruff ryder/cash money tour is a bigger feat than coming out to do a random verse or two on puffy tours.

if the LOX being background dancers for puff & mase is what you consider to be their biggest impact, then I don't know what to tell yall.

and even if you want to separate the lox from dblock @spliz, the fact remains:
we are the streets >>>>>> money, power, respect in every single aspect except retail soundscan. but yet, more people were playing WATS so that's a wash.

breh @ISO use the word impact
not quality / not quantity / he used impact

is just no way in the world anybody can argue that their biggest impact on hip hop or music in general in the late 90s with bad boy

and you don't even have to take it from me you can take it from the horses mouth just go back and listen to Nore drink champs podcasts with styles P

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

well theres more glory that comes with being associated with the '90s. and they were around thru basically half the '90s and that's when they grinded.

but what was the exact question that was asked when they said this? what was the wording? did they ask them when their prime was? or when they enjoyed their most success? because they were chittin on their bad boy days for YEARS and did their best to distance themselves from it.

chitin on the Bad Boy years doesn't mean they not 90s artists.. just means they didn't like the situation they was in.. if you get married and then get divorced.. you can claim those years where the worst of your life but it doesn't negate the marriage..

Prince writing slave on his face doesn't take away from his good music during that era

now back to the topic... the thread is 90s rappers vs 00s rappers .. not impact .. that's why we're having a disconnect on definitions..