On Some Str8 Spittin: '90s Rappers vs. '00s Rappers

[Still Benefited]

and up-n-coming athletes were already molding their games after the iversons & marburys. the mcnabbs & moss'.

but nobody in their right mind is gonna attach these names to the '90s.

:dahell?Marbury and Iverson were apart of the greatest draft class in history,the 96 draft....iversons most famous moment is crossing jordan which clearly happened in the 90's?who wouldnt attach these nikkas to the 90's

Gotta admire the dedication,most nikkas would go ghost after being proven oh so wrong,but not Wacky

The fact you gotta do all this reaching in order to turn 90's rappers into 2000's rappers should be proof 2000's wasnt shyt on some "straight spittin" shyt....and since you obviously dont just mean lyricist if you bringing up the lox and 50 cent,the 80's was better than the 2000's too nikka....and 90's just wins in what you would call a landslide

I got a feeling you will be going ghost soon,just need the thread to reach that 10 page quota mark right?dont know if the rope a dope gon work in this thread breh,it aint lookin pretty

 

[letti cook]

this whole thread reminds me of when BET did the hottest rappers of the 21st century, tried to limit it to people who debuted in the 2000s...but then started at 1999 so they could include Lil Wayne and Eminem. The shyt gets when you talking this era shyt cause some nikkas dominate multiple ones or start in one and come up in another...its all a matter of perspective

the list
1) Eminem
2) Lil' Wayne
3) Kanye West
4) 50 Cent
5) T.I.
6) Ludacris
7) Drake
8) Young Jeezy
9) Jadakiss
10) Rick Ross

 

[Art Barr]

Thread is a fail before it gets started because the technical marvel of the 2000's was an eighties guy in g rap.
Plus, the most advanced rappers in the 2000'a were eighties or mid nineties sellout jiggy guys.
who had to campaign back to the underground to draw.

Or were underground standouts from the nineties who kept it all the way real and were never complemented by a major label and resources.
Or if they were complemented by a label.
Said artist was used as the unsaid rubrick to how music is made in the current all emo age.



Art Barr

 

[feelosofer]

Just off the strength of this argument 90's rappers were better than 2000's rappers as pure spittas. Most of those guys who 'peaked' in the early 2000's were castoffs from the 90's (either just a little too young or couldn't buzz) just because the amount of skilled rappers was just too crowded.

 

[Youngblood Priest]

N

gonna ruffle a lot of feathers, but 2pac would've got slayed f*ckin around with them 2000s east coast rappers.

yes, I know the beef really wasn't on no east/west chit. it was really supposed to be just certain people, but I'm just saying.

No

 

[Youngblood Priest]

Bruh, can you at least name a few of these 2000's mc's

 

[pointproven214]

[Verse 1: 2Pac]
First off, fukk your bytch and the clique you claim
Westside when we ride, come equipped with game
You claim to be a player, but I fukked your wife
We bust on Bad Boys, nikkas fukked for life
Plus Puffy trying to see me, weak hearts I rip
Biggie Smalls and Junior M.A.F.I.A. some mark-ass bytches
We keep on coming while we running for your jewels
Steady gunning, keep on busting at them fools
You know the rules
Lil' Caesar go ask your homie how I'll leave you
Cut your young ass up, leave you in pieces, now be deceased
Little Kim, don't fukk around with real G's
Quick to snatch your ugly ass off the streets
So fukk peace! I'll let them nikkas know it's on for life
Don't let the Westside ride the night
Bad Boy murdered on wax and killed
fukk with me and get your caps peeled

 

[pointproven214]

Bruh, can you at least name a few of these 2000's mc's

wacky the homie but man he tripping with the pac comment i can't agree with that at all.

 

[ADP]

ten pages of arguing... just peep the poll fam

 

[Wacky D]

Because P and Nas were the other nicest nikkas around that's why. You know your hiphop dont play stupid

in 2001?

prodigy was washed and people thought nas was done too.

and these guys were not great battlers. nas even said it himself that its not his lane at all.

 

[Wacky D]

Cam'ron is a 2000's rapper that Children of the Corn stuff was underground. Cam's legacy is in the 2000's that's the peak of his cultural impact on the game. He dropped one album in '98 everything else was 2000's.

When I think of Cam I think like '03 when Dipset was popping, the mixtapes, the freestyles, the pink minks and furs, the cars, the beefs and hits, the Oh Boy video.

The L.O.X. majority of they discography dropped in the 2000's. Jada, Styles, Sheek all dropped their solo projects and tapes in the 2000's.

It's not about when you got on its when you had your peak in cultural impact that defines what era you from.

THIS

I don't see how this is hard to understand.

people just in here trying to stack the deck.

2chainz is a 00s rapper. Rest of them nikkas dropped they debuts in the 10s. shyt u could even add Drake and Nicki to 00s since they dropped projects before then.

hey at least youre consistent.

I gotta give you that.

Right. I don't get their logic. If it's all about when you hit your stride as a solo artist, does that mean dudes like Sean Price, MF Doom and even Ghostface are considered 00's rappers? Doesn't even sound right.

I never heard of MF Doom in the '90s.

ghostface & sean price are '90s all they way. I don't even consider them as being popular in the '00s. they just have supportive core fanbases that are die-hard & stuck with them. but if youre not a fan, you easily paid them no attention in the 2000s.

 

[Wacky D]

to me like I said.. Jordan was late 80s... he only couldn't shine because Bird and Magic dominated the early 80s.. Yes jordans era was the 90s .. but he didn't debut in the 90s.. and that's how I think..
and since Shaq didn't win till Jordan left and 00 is he a 00s player.. he won in 00 but his impact was really in the 90s breaking backboards and etc..

yall are dragging out the sports comparison & made it vague.

I'm the one that brought the sports comparisons into the mix, and I distinctly used guys like Iverson & Marbury for a reason. they hit the league in the LATTER part of the '90s, finishing up their rookie campaigns in 1997, the same time that the LOX & Camron were breaking thru on television.

yall bring up shaq & Jordan. neither of them came into the league during the latter part of their respective decades, so that alone ends the comparison right there. plus basketball players have longer shelf-lives, at least back then.

as for the side-argument of their careers, i'd say that Jordan had his biggest individual achievements in the '80s, with the bulls having their big runs as a team in the '90s. with shaq, i'd say his peak in popularity was the '90s and the magic were more loved than the lakers too, but most of his biggest individual & team successes came in the '00s.

 

[Wacky D]

I feel like there was way too much to choose from in the 00s when it came to lyrics, even if you didn't fully invest in THAT artist the same way you might Big or Pac

The 00s you had the New York mixtape era, battle rap era, punchline rap, swag rap, the way them Philly cats was rockin, DVD freestyle era, the south comin through with lyrics, mixtape Weezy, coke rap, all these sub genres of lyricism to explore

THIS

is what this thread is all about.

THANK YOU!!!

00's emcees were technically better

But that's only because they were able to piggyback off the work laid down by 90's emcees

You've reached full cac mindedness when you lose the ability to naturally see the interconnectedness between things, and constantly look to pick apart and dissect shyt

you do know that hip-hop existed dam near 20 years before the '90s right?

if anybody has the "cac mindedness", its YOU up here only acknowledging what you want from the history books and downplaying the rest.

we gonna sit here and act like the '90s didn't piggy-back off of what the '80s built? and the '80s didn't piggy-back off the '70s?

dudes be playing themselves on here something fierce.

i just dont understand these new nikkaz
if you go by @ISO logic
one can REALLY argue that nas & jay are 2000's rappers

*both of their biggest impacts came at the very early 00's when they beef'd*



thecoli logic

nah

jay & nas biggest impacts were in the '90s homie.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Ghostface got the most shine of his career in the early-2000s, when he was popping up on more features than he ever had before, flooding the NY mixtape circuit with unreleased shyt, and dropping his most critically acclaimed work. Yes, his work with the group was impactful but as a SOLO artist he hit his stride in the early 2000s. Ghost's place in the game back then was similar to Ross circa 2010. You can't really quantity the impact it with sales alone. But the point is that claiming Cam and the Lox as 2000s rappers is no more ridiculous than claiming Ghost as one.

And who cares about 2010s rappers? They don't even have an identity to bother classifying like that.

ghostface was not poppin like that in the '00s breh.

maybe he was in his backyard of new York or some chit, but that's about it.

 

[tuckgod]

you do know that hip-hop existed dam near 20 years before the '90s right?

if anybody has the "cac mindedness", its YOU up here only acknowledging what you want from the history books and downplaying the rest.

we gonna sit here and act like the '90s didn't piggy-back off of what the '80s built? and the '80s didn't piggy-back off the '70s?

dudes be playing themselves on here something fierce.

Breh

It goes all the way back, I only spoke on those two decades because that's the subject of this thread

90's artists were only able to be as nice as they were because of the foundation that the 80's artists laid down

80's artists were only able to create the first sounds of Hip Hop thanks to Kraftwerk, funk, disco, and the early NYC park jam DJ's/Emcees

Emcees wouldn't have had the DNA to put rhymes together like they did without The Last Poets, Gil Scott Heron, etc.

Early DJ's wouldn't have known to put their sets together in the manner that they did without the sound systems from Jamaica

Life, art, all this shyt is a constant progression

Adding on to what came previously

Today could not exist, in the manner that it does, without the work of yesterday

So comparing one era to another is asinine if there is an interconnectedness

The only time I feel dissection is called for culturally, is when there is a distinct split in the current manifestation of a culture

from all of it's previous incarnations

Such as the case with today's version of Hip Hop culture versus all forms of the culture that came before it

 

[HiphopRelated]

lol @ Lox not being 90s rappers