Old School vs New School beef is brewing

[Grizzly]

only problem I have is older DJs and producers trying to shyt on younger DJs/producers because of the medium they use to express their creativity. fukk the whole 'controller vs turntablism' and 'analog vs digital' debate. you cant tell a young kid in South Africa that lives in a shanty town that can only get his hands on a busted up Numark controller or a pair of dusty CDJ-100s that he's not a real DJ or he shouldnt DJ because he doesnt spin vinyl. thats the only thing that he has available to him. the only question that you should have at the end of the day is "does it sound good?" and "did the crowd enjoy themselves?" some of these oldheads forget that when they do an interview and say these things that the message is heard across continents, not just by us in the U.S. shyt is irresponsible. on the production side, who gives a fukk what you use to make beats. you either wack or not wack. ya shyt is either gonna be hot or not hot. no way around it. imagine if somebody like Kaytranada or Hit Boy actually listened to these old nikkas when they said half of the shyt that they say.

 

[mobbinfms]

The biggest rappers were Kanye, Wayne, and Drake (Drake even more-so because he had blown up and was on fire). I would listen to those three and just popular songs from artists like Jay Sean, Iyaz (that Replay record was big), Sean Kingston, Chris Brown, Linkin Park, Rihanna, Justin Bieber, etc.

So you're primarily a pop fan that dabbles in hip hop.
That explains a lot.

 

[Wacky D]

the wacker young rappers are just creating a diversion away from their lack of skills, and at the same time using these comments as a promotional tool.

why don't they ever address the people in their age group that refer to them as wack? what do they have to say about the rappers in their age range that are leaps & bounds ahead of them?

theres no war going on. theyre just peddling bullchit, and it seems to be working, cuz now you got vet posters having serious conversations about lil yachty and the like in this thread.

altho, in fairness hip-hop has always been disrespectful towards the old school. theyre just being blatant with it.

this post should've closed the thread.

14 pages later, yall still in here making mountains out of molehills.

Cosign this 100%. There is no war, its just a handful of wack rappers who will not be around in 18 months getting propped up by (white) writers who are paid to generate controversy and hype up whatever is hot at the moment. So they promote a fake 90s vs Now divide cuz it lowkey makes them feel younger than they are

The 90's were 20 years ago, thats a long time and that ship sailed a minute ago. But the 2000s (2000-2010) were so unremarkable that we just skipped over that era in our minds. These new rappers should be paying homage to 50, Jeezy Wayne and T.I. if anybody. Cuz thats the "old school" to them...

AND THIS

 

[spliz]

That's not the point. The point is what rappers are prominent to a generation - the majority of them will be older than you.

U are a prime example of someone who should sit back and listen rather than run ur mouth cause u honestly have no idea what u been talking about thru out this whole thread. Literally so completely off base it's embarrassing. Had the nerve to say hip hop is more popular now than it was in the 90s. Some people just need to learn to listen and get the facts straight before u speak. It will save u a ton of embarrassment in the future no matter what subject ur discussing.

 

[CrimsonTider]

this post should've closed the thread.

14 pages later, yall still in here making mountains out of molehills.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

this post should've closed the thread.

14 pages later, yall still in here making mountains out of molehills.

I didn't see your original post, but that's the difference between younger rappers now and younger rappers 10 and 20 years ago. The younger rappers today are so god awful that the fanbase they're supposedly making music for don't even feel them, or feel them in a passing way. I find that kinda

 

[Wacky D]

That's not the point. The point is what rappers are prominent to a generation - the majority of them will be older than you.

word to the wise.

the point is, these old ass wack rappers like drake are getting over on some of you young dudes that don't know much. that's why its key to listen to older/more experienced people, rather than argue with them about everything. you don't learn anything that way. youre just gonna end up old & stupid 10 years from now. and I'm not saying that you should take everybody's word for it just cuz theyre older. not at all. cuz a lot of these dudes on here like to push their own agendas. but you should still listen to what they have to say, and then sort out the bullchit from the gems later. just like I see you arguing in that drake mediocre thread(my bad if that's not you). its dudes in their trying to push their personal favs from the '90s on you, and some of them were indeed hit-or-miss like you said, and not even that big or important in the '90s. but people were still droppin gems to go along with their bullchit in that thread, so I let em cook.

but back to the topic, it aint just drake. ive been saying this for close to 10 years now, when kids started gassing up lil wayne as some sort of top-notch lyricist. and wayne is older than me.

and most of the all-time great classics came from rappers in their teenage thru mid-20s years. keep that in mind.

U are a prime example of someone who should sit back and listen rather than run ur mouth cause u honestly have no idea what u been talking about thru out this whole thread. Literally so completely off base it's embarrassing. Had the nerve to say hip hop is more popular now than it was in the 90s. Some people just need to learn to listen and get the facts straight before u speak. It will save u a ton of embarrassment in the future no matter what subject ur discussing.

LOL.

you beat me to it.

 

[Wacky D]

Talk to anyone from the age of 16-24 and they are the main artist being listened to right now.
These new cats have success careers in hip-hop right now whether you like it or not.
Just accept the fact that this new shyt ain't for you and go listen to Obie Trice nikka

not theyre not.

those are niche rappers. theyre not the faces of the next gen. most of those guys aren't even the faces of the next gen of their respective cities. let alone hip-hop as a whole.

you think lil uzi vert ever had next in philly? he blew up off the hipster blogs & rap sites. the young faces of the city are dudes like Kur, P&B Rock, etc. people that rarely ever get talked about on here. another reason why rap is so messed up.

ive never heard of any of these hipster-drill dudes being tops in their local scenes.

HIP-HOP IS DEAD!!!!!

I didn't see your original post, but that's the difference between younger rappers now and younger rappers 10 and 20 years ago. The younger rappers today are so god awful that the fanbase they're supposedly making music for don't even feel them, or feel them in a passing way. I find that kinda

the thing is, most of the young rappers in question here are just niche rappers. theyre not spokesman for this new generation at all.

its like say if those rappers at the turn of the century like drama or miracle. guys that had jams that were kinda similar to some of these dudes. imagine if they started kickin that old school/new school talk. the problem is, the lines are blurred now, so people can get away with pushing such propaganda.

If you actually cared about the culture and the art form would you not do the history? In this day and age how hard is it to queue up All Eyez On Me or The Chronic on Spotify?

I don't think anyone's mad they don't know Radio, Criminal Minded or The Great Adventures of Slick Rick as they're a few decades removed from that sound, but the way they brush their ignorance off is disrspectful and its shows in the shallowness of their music.

lets be reality.

people in that early-mid 30s range & under, generally never gave a dam about rap history and carry on like rap started in the '90s. shoot, not even the whole '90s. you gotta go str8 to suge & puffy for a lot of people. even on this board. most of these '90s enthusiasts aren't really up on the '90s like that. and they draw complete blanks when the '80s & '70s are mentioned. rap history was never in style breh. its just a lot of people grew older and are now getting that rude-awakening of karma.

I know people in my age range that are probably in the studio RIGHT NOW that I literally tried but couldn't get them to listen to those albums that you mentioned.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

Soulja Boy sonned the shyt out of Ice T, made him come across as bitter and out of touch, it doesn't help that he was lyrically trash himself. Nelly did the same to KRS to a lesser extent, if you gonna come at these nikkas on some 'real hiphop' shyt come correct. I agree that Yachty & Uzi type disrespect should be checked but it needs to be done right by the right people.

 

[spliz]

not theyre not.

those are niche rappers. theyre not the faces of the next gen. most of those guys aren't even the faces of the next gen of their respective cities. let alone hip-hop as a whole.

you think lil uzi vert ever had next in philly? he blew up off the hipster blogs & rap sites. the young faces of the city are dudes like Kur, P&B Rock, etc.

ive never heard of any of these hipster-drill dudes being tops in their local scenes.

HIP-HOP IS DEAD!!!!!





the thing is, most of the young rappers in question here are just niche rappers. theyre not spokesman for this new generation at all.

its like say if those rappers at the turn of the century like drama or miracle. guys that had jams that were kinda similar to some of these dudes. imagine if they started kickin that old school/new school talk. the problem is, the lines are blurred now, so people can get away with pushing such propaganda.





lets be reality.

people in that early-mid 30s range & under, generally never gave a dam about rap history and carry on like rap started in the '90s. shoot, not even the whole '90s. you gotta go str8 to suge & puffy for a lot of people. even on this board. most of these '90s enthusiasts aren't really up on the '90s like that. and they draw complete blanks when the '80s & '70s are mentioned. rap history was never in style breh. its just a lot of people grew older and are now getting that rude-awakening of karma.

I know people in my age range that are probably in the studio RIGHT NOW that I literally tried couldnt even get to listen to those albums that you mentioned.

Problem is its too many nikkas who ain't really fans of the genre coming in and trying to make money off of it. shyt is ridiculous. I don't even pay attention to nikkas who act like hip hop started in 96-97. Them the nikkas who didn't buy their own albums till like 99-00 or some shyt. U can easily filter those cats out cause they wasn't really up on shyt in real time. And got all they shyt from the radio and whatever their parents gave em.

 

[Wacky D]

Soulja Boy sonned the shyt out of Ice T, made him come across as bitter and out of touch, it doesn't help that he was lyrically trash himself. Nelly did the same to KRS to a lesser extent, if you gonna come at these nikkas on some 'real hiphop' shyt come correct. I agree that Yachty & Uzi type disrespect should be checked but it needs to be done right by the right people.

nelly & KRS had nothing to do with generations. it was all about KRS' antics finally backfiring.

how did souljah boy son ice t?

 

[Playaz Eyez]

the thing is, most of the young rappers in question here are just niche rappers. theyre not spokesman for this new generation at all.

its like say if those rappers at the turn of the century like drama or miracle. guys that had jams that were kinda similar to some of these dudes. imagine if they started kickin that old school/new school talk. the problem is, the lines are blurred now, so people can get away with pushing such propaganda.

Good comparison only thing is, Miracle and Drama didn't have social media to garner 8+ million views on songs. Lil Uzi Vert, Lil' Yatchy and a lot of those other trash artists right now. Those one hit wonder came and went guys of yesteryear didn't have the aid of that to have such a broad reach that dudes who SHOULD be one hit wonders today. Trash artists of today can very well have a massive impact unlike trash artists of the past.

 

[Wacky D]

Problem is its too many nikkas who ain't really fans of the genre coming in and trying to make money off of it. shyt is ridiculous. I don't even pay attention to nikkas who act like hip hop started in 96-97. Them the nikkas who didn't buy their own albums till like 99-00 or some shyt. U can easily filter those cats out cause they wasn't really up on shyt in real time. And got all they shyt from the radio and whatever their parents gave em.

the bolded has always been a problem tho.

difference is, now theres no gatekeepers. the culture is dead and the suits have a complete stranglehold on the genre now to the point where all the lines are blurred. so now theyre getting passes. even their detractors are confused, thinking that these guys are the leaders of the new school.

and I don't even blame these young twerps. theyre just a product of the prior generations that failed them. theyre just now getting into the game. theyre not the ones who have been selling out for the past 20 years that got us to this point.

Good comparison only thing is, Miracle and Drama didn't have social media to garner 8+ million views on songs Lil Uzi Vert, Lil' Yatchy and a lot of those other trash artists right now. Those one hit wonder came and went guys of yesteryear didn't have the aid of that to have such a broad reach that dudes who SHOULD be one hit wonders today. Trash artists of today can very well have a massive impact unlike trash artists of the past.

good point.
plus like @Boesky said, these guys get propped up by blog sites & such, which is where their fanbases come from.

drama had a fun album tho.
I never heard miracle's joint.

 

[bouncy]

Good comparison only thing is, Miracle and Drama didn't have social media to garner 8+ million views on songs Lil Uzi Vert, Lil' Yatchy and a lot of those other trash artists right now. Those one hit wonder came and went guys of yesteryear didn't have the aid of that to have such a broad reach that dudes who SHOULD be one hit wonders today. Trash artists of today can very well have a massive impact unlike trash artists of the past.

I think a lot of these people get views because people just want to see what others are talking about, not because they actually are fans.

And a lot of them shyts are fake.

 

[Tetsuo]

Hip-hop is more popular now than it was in the 90's. It isn't going anywhere.

J.Cole and Kendrick Lamar are better than Pac, Biggie, Jay, and Nas, because they're able to take lyricism and match them with melodic music they grew up listening to as well.